• How to Write Comedy: Stargate vs Farscape

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 11 04:31:50 2025
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    Comparing two 90s sci-fi heroes, Jack O'Neill or Stargate SG1 and John
    Crichton of Farscape, to explore how to write comedy without undercutting drama.


    00:00 Intro
    00:39 The Problem with Jack O'Neill
    05:21 How Farscape Does Comedy Right
    08:40 Sponsor
    09:38 Outro

    https://youtu.be/kWSEu64BEPE?si=2WXdbf_oi5Fk6oqH

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  • From smyers@camtel.net@21:1/5 to weberm@polaris.net on Tue Feb 11 10:47:42 2025
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    In article <vofit1$1pkp9$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Comparing two 90s sci-fi heroes, Jack O'Neill or Stargate SG1 and John >Crichton of Farscape, to explore how to write comedy without undercutting >drama.


    00:00 Intro
    00:39 The Problem with Jack O'Neill
    05:21 How Farscape Does Comedy Right
    08:40 Sponsor
    09:38 Outro

    https://youtu.be/kWSEu64BEPE?si=2WXdbf_oi5Fk6oqH

    In my opinion what was lacking was a couple spare scenes to give Jack the
    extra dimension to justify his flippant nature. At the end of "Meridian" we should see Jack at his home, on the dock with a fishing rod and a beer,
    trying to put the death of Daniel behind him. It is here, away from the eyes
    of his peers, that he drops drops the stoic mask. He breaks down, he lets
    slip just how effected he really is by throwing the rod into the pond, and
    then his phone rings. It is Star Gate Command. Jack resets himself, puts the stoic mask back on, knowing that as a leader he needs to appear unshakable
    even when deep down he is and answers the phone. Another scene which could
    have helped would be to have a guest character, friendly to SG1, that calls Jack out on his quippy nature. Here he can share, to us as well as the guest character, that it is how he copes with having to deal with life threatening situations. Again we just needed these extra scenes to justify why he reacts
    as he does.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 11 18:41:19 2025
    XPost: alt.tv.farscape, alt.tv.stargate-sg1, rec.arts.tv

    On Feb 11, 2025 at 7:47:42 AM PST, "smyers@camtel.net" <smyers@camtel.net> wrote:

    In article <vofit1$1pkp9$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Comparing two 90s sci-fi heroes, Jack O'Neill or Stargate SG1 and John
    Crichton of Farscape, to explore how to write comedy without undercutting
    drama.


    00:00 Intro
    00:39 The Problem with Jack O'Neill
    05:21 How Farscape Does Comedy Right
    08:40 Sponsor
    09:38 Outro

    https://youtu.be/kWSEu64BEPE?si=2WXdbf_oi5Fk6oqH

    In my opinion what was lacking was a couple spare scenes to give Jack the extra dimension to justify his flippant nature. At the end of "Meridian" we should see Jack at his home, on the dock with a fishing rod and a beer, trying to put the death of Daniel behind him. It is here, away from the eyes of his peers, that he drops drops the stoic mask. He breaks down, he lets slip just how effected he really is by throwing the rod into the pond, and then his phone rings. It is Star Gate Command. Jack resets himself, puts the stoic mask back on, knowing that as a leader he needs to appear unshakable even when deep down he is and answers the phone. Another scene which could have helped would be to have a guest character, friendly to SG1, that calls Jack out on his quippy nature. Here he can share, to us as well as the guest character, that it is how he copes with having to deal with life threatening situations. Again we just needed these extra scenes to justify why he reacts as he does.

    It really got bad as the series went on. By the end, Anderson's only contribution to the show was stand around and look bored and make lame quips. The very definition of 'phoning it in'.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Tue Feb 11 18:53:05 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.tv.farscape, alt.tv.stargate-sg1

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 11, 2025 at 7:47:42 AM PST, "smyers@camtel.net" <smyers@camtel.net> wrote:

    In article <vofit1$1pkp9$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Comparing two 90s sci-fi heroes, Jack O'Neill or Stargate SG1 and John
    Crichton of Farscape, to explore how to write comedy without undercutting >>> drama.


    00:00 Intro
    00:39 The Problem with Jack O'Neill
    05:21 How Farscape Does Comedy Right
    08:40 Sponsor
    09:38 Outro

    https://youtu.be/kWSEu64BEPE?si=2WXdbf_oi5Fk6oqH

    In my opinion what was lacking was a couple spare scenes to give Jack the
    extra dimension to justify his flippant nature. At the end of "Meridian" we >> should see Jack at his home, on the dock with a fishing rod and a beer,
    trying to put the death of Daniel behind him. It is here, away from the eyes >> of his peers, that he drops drops the stoic mask. He breaks down, he lets
    slip just how effected he really is by throwing the rod into the pond, and >> then his phone rings. It is Star Gate Command. Jack resets himself, puts the >> stoic mask back on, knowing that as a leader he needs to appear unshakable >> even when deep down he is and answers the phone. Another scene which could >> have helped would be to have a guest character, friendly to SG1, that calls >> Jack out on his quippy nature. Here he can share, to us as well as the guest >> character, that it is how he copes with having to deal with life threatening >> situations. Again we just needed these extra scenes to justify why he reacts >> as he does.

    It really got bad as the series went on. By the end, Anderson's only contribution to the show was stand around and look bored and make lame quips. The very definition of 'phoning it in'.

    I wish they had kept him on as general



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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 12 07:48:49 2025
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    On 2/11/2025 5:53 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 11, 2025 at 7:47:42 AM PST, "smyers@camtel.net" <smyers@camtel.net> >> wrote:

    In article <vofit1$1pkp9$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Comparing two 90s sci-fi heroes, Jack O'Neill or Stargate SG1 and John >>>> Crichton of Farscape, to explore how to write comedy without undercutting >>>> drama.


    00:00 Intro
    00:39 The Problem with Jack O'Neill
    05:21 How Farscape Does Comedy Right
    08:40 Sponsor
    09:38 Outro

    https://youtu.be/kWSEu64BEPE?si=2WXdbf_oi5Fk6oqH

    In my opinion what was lacking was a couple spare scenes to give Jack the >>> extra dimension to justify his flippant nature. At the end of "Meridian" we >>> should see Jack at his home, on the dock with a fishing rod and a beer,
    trying to put the death of Daniel behind him. It is here, away from the eyes
    of his peers, that he drops drops the stoic mask. He breaks down, he lets >>> slip just how effected he really is by throwing the rod into the pond, and >>> then his phone rings. It is Star Gate Command. Jack resets himself, puts the
    stoic mask back on, knowing that as a leader he needs to appear unshakable >>> even when deep down he is and answers the phone. Another scene which could >>> have helped would be to have a guest character, friendly to SG1, that calls >>> Jack out on his quippy nature. Here he can share, to us as well as the guest
    character, that it is how he copes with having to deal with life threatening
    situations. Again we just needed these extra scenes to justify why he reacts
    as he does.

    It really got bad as the series went on. By the end, Anderson's only
    contribution to the show was stand around and look bored and make lame quips.
    The very definition of 'phoning it in'.

    I wish they had kept him on as general

    He wanted out.

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  • From Anuj Prajapati@21:1/5 to weberm@polaris.net on Mon Feb 17 10:36:43 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.tv.farscape, alt.tv.stargate-sg1

    In article <vofit1$1pkp9$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:
    Comparing two 90s sci-fi heroes, Jack O'Neill or Stargate SG1 and John >Crichton of Farscape, to explore how to write comedy without undercutting >drama.


    00:00 Intro
    00:39 The Problem with Jack O'Neill
    05:21 How Farscape Does Comedy Right
    08:40 Sponsor
    09:38 Outro

    https://youtu.be/kWSEu64BEPE?si=2WXdbf_oi5Fk6oqH

    I love Farscape. The way that Creighton leans into his insanity by going even crazier takes him from that guy that nobody takes seriously in the first
    season to the terror of the galaxy / greatest criminal mastermind by the end
    of the series. And that's even before Peacekeeper Wars. To the point where everything his crew does gets attributed to him, and since it's all crazy and often horrible, his friends just let it happen and then use that reputation
    to their advantage. Meanwhile Creighton's not the kind of guy who's going to let all that go to his head. It's such a good show, so underrated. And if you haven't read the comics, absolutely read them. Rigel really shines by
    treating Creighton with a kind of respect that nobody else in his entire life has really earned. While he respects his comrades at fellow crew mates, Crighton is that guy who just touches everybody's heart in a way that never seemed possible, just because he's that crazy human who, they all come to understand, it's just a good guy who's been pushed beyond his limits repeatedly, and who's crazy makes sense in a context that they do not have until they actually get to Earth. Then they see him in his native element,
    but also with all of the things he's picked up from them in the broader
    galaxy, and how he learns that you really can't go home again. Meanwhile Creighton takes the opportunity to get a hold of a leather jacket and some sunglasses because lol.

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