I'm watching a rerun of "Star Trek: Voyager"
(episode "Threshold", S2 E15), where the plot
involves a way to get much higher speeds.
They believe they've found a way to get
past the "transwarp limit" of "ten", claiming
that it's been impossible before this.
On 25/02/2022 04:18, danny burstein wrote:
I'm watching a rerun of "Star Trek: Voyager"
(episode "Threshold", S2 E15), where the plot
involves a way to get much higher speeds.
They believe they've found a way to get
past the "transwarp limit" of "ten", claiming
that it's been impossible before this.
Canon wise, warp ten is the limit. Nothing can exceed that limit. At
warp ten, you exist at all points in the universe. This is called the “trans-warp threshold.”
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor
On 25/02/2022 04:18, danny burstein wrote:
I'm watching a rerun of "Star Trek: Voyager"
(episode "Threshold", S2 E15), where the plot
involves a way to get much higher speeds.
They believe they've found a way to get
past the "transwarp limit" of "ten", claiming
that it's been impossible before this.
Canon wise, warp ten is the limit. Nothing can exceed that limit. At
warp ten, you exist at all points in the universe. This is called the “trans-warp threshold.”
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor
I'm watching a rerun of "Star Trek: Voyager"
(episode "Threshold", S2 E15), where the plot
involves a way to get much higher speeds.
They believe they've found a way to get
past the "transwarp limit" of "ten", claiming
that it's been impossible before this.
But I'm pretty sure I recall velocities higher
than that in some of TOS episodes, such as, I think.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Any_Other_Name
(If not that one, then others.)
Anyone else remember anything like this?
Thanks
On 25/02/2022 04:18, danny burstein wrote:
I'm watching a rerun of "Star Trek: Voyager"
(episode "Threshold", S2 E15), where the plot
involves a way to get much higher speeds.
They believe they've found a way to get
past the "transwarp limit" of "ten", claiming
that it's been impossible before this.
Canon wise, warp ten is the limit. Nothing can exceed that limit. At
warp ten, you exist at all points in the universe. This is called the "trans-warp threshold."
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
On 25/02/2022 04:18, danny burstein wrote:
I'm watching a rerun of "Star Trek: Voyager"
(episode "Threshold", S2 E15), where the plot
involves a way to get much higher speeds.
They believe they've found a way to get
past the "transwarp limit" of "ten", claiming
that it's been impossible before this.
Canon wise, warp ten is the limit. Nothing can exceed that limit. At
warp ten, you exist at all points in the universe. This is called the
"trans-warp threshold."
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor
That was rewritten for TNG - warp factor was set to maximise at 10 when velocity was infinity, it was a hyperbolic curve from warp 9 upwards.
The TOS system, when it was being applied rationally (not often) treated
warp factor as the cube of the light speed attainable - so warp 10 would
have been 1,000c - coincidentally, about the same as Voyager's top speed of factor 9.975 on the new curve (which was hand drawn rather than being strictly formulaic)
Warp tunnels (as used by the Borg) bypass normal space completely, allowing for much faster apparent velocities.
On 2022-02-25 14:01:49 +0000, The Last Doctor said:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
On 25/02/2022 04:18, danny burstein wrote:
I'm watching a rerun of "Star Trek: Voyager"
(episode "Threshold", S2 E15), where the plot
involves a way to get much higher speeds.
They believe they've found a way to get
past the "transwarp limit" of "ten", claiming
that it's been impossible before this.
Canon wise, warp ten is the limit. Nothing can exceed that limit. At
warp ten, you exist at all points in the universe. This is called the
"trans-warp threshold."
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor
That was rewritten for TNG - warp factor was set to maximise at 10 when
velocity was infinity, it was a hyperbolic curve from warp 9 upwards.
Even with Warp 10 newly defined as "infinite", they still managed to go faster than that. In the final TNG episode, the Enterprise was ordered
to use Warp 13, although it was in a Q-created universe.
The TOS system, when it was being applied rationally (not often) treated
warp factor as the cube of the light speed attainable - so warp 10 would
have been 1,000c - coincidentally, about the same as Voyager's top
speed of
factor 9.975 on the new curve (which was hand drawn rather than being
strictly formulaic)
Warp 9.975 is far more than 1,000c, according to "The Star Trek
Encyclopedia" anyway which has a table stating:
Warp 8 = 1,024c
Warp 9 = 1,516c
Warp 9.2 = 1,649c
Warp 9.6 = 1,909c
Warp 9.9 = 3,053c
Warp 9.99 = 7,912c
Warp 9.9999 = 199,516c (214 trillion kph)
So Warp 9.975 would be around 4,500c (very roughly)
Warp tunnels (as used by the Borg) bypass normal space completely,
allowing
for much faster apparent velocities.
Warp engines use "subspace" to create a "spatial distortion", so they technically also bypass "normal space".
"The Borg ... used sophisticated transwarp conduits ... allowing their
ships to travel at least 20 times faster than normal warp-powered vessels."
On 26/02/2022 00:37, Your Name wrote:
On 2022-02-25 14:01:49 +0000, The Last Doctor said:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
On 25/02/2022 04:18, danny burstein wrote:
I'm watching a rerun of "Star Trek: Voyager"
(episode "Threshold", S2 E15), where the plot
involves a way to get much higher speeds.
They believe they've found a way to get
past the "transwarp limit" of "ten", claiming
that it's been impossible before this.
Canon wise, warp ten is the limit. Nothing can exceed that limit. At
warp ten, you exist at all points in the universe. This is called the
"trans-warp threshold."
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor
That was rewritten for TNG - warp factor was set to maximise at 10 when
velocity was infinity, it was a hyperbolic curve from warp 9 upwards.
Even with Warp 10 newly defined as "infinite", they still managed to go
faster than that. In the final TNG episode, the Enterprise was ordered
to use Warp 13, although it was in a Q-created universe.
The TOS system, when it was being applied rationally (not often) treated >>> warp factor as the cube of the light speed attainable - so warp 10 would >>> have been 1,000c - coincidentally, about the same as Voyager's top
speed of factor 9.975 on the new curve (which was hand drawn rather
than being
strictly formulaic)
Warp 9.975 is far more than 1,000c, according to "The Star Trek
Encyclopedia" anyway which has a table stating:
Warp 8 = 1,024c
Warp 9 = 1,516c
Warp 9.2 = 1,649c
Warp 9.6 = 1,909c
Warp 9.9 = 3,053c
Warp 9.99 = 7,912c
Warp 9.9999 = 199,516c (214 trillion kph)
So Warp 9.975 would be around 4,500c (very roughly)
Yeah, just like the show itself, the support materials are inconsistent.
I was wrong but not by as much as that
according to the Star Trek Voyager Technical Manual ...
"In Star Trek: Voyager Technical Manual (pp. 12 & 13) several other
speed equivalents are established: Warp 9.6 is 1,909 times the speed of light."
So 9.975 must be even faster than that.
The Voyager Technical Manual was an unpublished guide for writers on
the show, you can see it online at http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/star-trek-voyager-technical-manual.php ...p. 12 has the part about Warp 9.6 being 1,909 times light speed, but
also note that p. 6 says "Maximum sustainable speed is Warp 9.2", and
two sentences later says "Even at the incredible speeds afforded by
warp drive, Federation space is still some 75 years away for Voyager."
So, the natural implication is that the writers of the Technical Manual
meant that it would take 75 years at Warp 9.2. Page 12 also notes that
"The ship can exceed Warp 9.9 for only a few minutes."
Warp tunnels (as used by the Borg) bypass normal space completely,
allowing for much faster apparent velocities.
Warp engines use "subspace" to create a "spatial distortion", so they
technically also bypass "normal space".
They distort it in a local bubble so that the ship is not travelling
faster than c but the bubble is, iirc. The Alcubierre drive has been postulated for ages but most theories relied on being able to generate negative energy, which is just magic to us at present.
Latest research has produced formulae that merely require stupid large
energy inputs, reducing the likelihood from "magic" to "almost
impossible". Those are odds we can live with.
https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/warp-drive-nasa-is-getting-the-technology-closer-to-reality
"The Borg ... used sophisticated transwarp conduits ... allowing their
ships to travel at least 20 times faster than normal warp-powered
vessels."
Yeah, I knew it was something like that but couldn't be bothered to Google it.
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