Does nobody
connected to this show understand science fiction?
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024
and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism
on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
nobody connected with this show understand current events?
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote
(in article<670db23a-c57c-4e2f...@googlegroups.com>):
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, reallyStar Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn’t get all the way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at all surprised that it’s getting worse.
Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024
and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism
on IO, thought it was Europa. Does nobody connected to this show
understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show
understand current events?
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa in
October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I haven't
seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting confused about
her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the astronaut
Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to be launched the
next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is NASA really going to plan
2 landings? And what about all the radiation?
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one
of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa
in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it
was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it
was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and >> one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really >> Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it
was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody >> connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don’t understand Star Trek history either.
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one
of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa
in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
On 4/1/2022 11:23 AM, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024
and
one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa,
really
Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it
was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
nobody
connected with this show understand current events?
If you read the other threads on this show, you might learn that Io is
also a moon along with Europa.
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and >one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really >Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it
was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody >connected with this show understand current events?
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this dont understand Star Trek history either.
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and >>> one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really >>> Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it >>> was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody >>> connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don¹t understand Star Trek >> history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 >>>> and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, >>>> really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO,
thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
nobody connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek >>> history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
All I can conclude is that entire writers room was spectacularly high
and this whole subplot came about when one of them giggled through a
cloud of pot smoke, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." and that's as much thought as any of them put into it.
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 >>>>> and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, >>>>> really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, >>>>> thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
nobody connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek >>>> history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
All I can conclude is that entire writers room was spectacularly high
and this whole subplot came about when one of them giggled through a
cloud of pot smoke, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." and that's as much
thought as any of them put into it.
The TNG writers were proud of not knowing anything about TOS. Maybe their tradition continues and the Picard writers don't know anything about TNG.
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article <673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa,
really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
All I can conclude is that entire writers room was spectacularly high
and this whole subplot came about when one of them giggled through a
cloud of pot smoke, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." and that's as much thought as any of them put into it.
On 2022-04-03 20:36:10 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to
2024
and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
Europa,
really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, >>>>>> thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does >>>>>> nobody connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand
Star Trek
history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
All I can conclude is that entire writers room was spectacularly high
and this whole subplot came about when one of them giggled through a
cloud of pot smoke, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." and that's as much
thought as any of them put into it.
The TNG writers were proud of not knowing anything about TOS. Maybe their
tradition continues and the Picard writers don't know anything about TNG.
That's pretty much standard operating procedure for Hollyweird.
The makers of the new "Halo" TV series proudly stated they never looked
at or dicussed the games.
Jonathan Frakes was put in charge of the "Thunderbirds" movie, but knew absolutely nothing about the original show, then watched a couple of
episodes and thought he knew it all (and the movie proves he still knew nothing).
The first Smurfs cinema movie stupidly moved the characters to New York.
The list of blunders is near endless. :-(
All I can conclude is that entire writers room was spectacularly
high and this whole subplot came about when one of them giggled
through a cloud of pot smoke, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..."
and that's as much thought as any of them put into it.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in news:atropos-BE7DF4.13213903042022@news.giganews.com:
All I can conclude is that entire writers room was spectacularly
high and this whole subplot came about when one of them giggled
through a cloud of pot smoke, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..."
and that's as much thought as any of them put into it.
More likely, none of them (or the producers) are at all familiar with previous series. It's not like ST has ever given a damn about
continuity *within* a series, much less between them.
On 2022-04-03 22:24:49 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in
news:atropos-BE7DF4.13213903042022@news.giganews.com:
All I can conclude is that entire writers room was
spectacularly high and this whole subplot came about when one
of them giggled through a cloud of pot smoke, "Hey, wouldn't
it be cool if..." and that's as much thought as any of them
put into it.
More likely, none of them (or the producers) are at all
familiar with previous series. It's not like ST has ever given
a damn about continuity *within* a series, much less between
them.
And JarJar Abrams' idiotic reboot has simply made things even
messier. :-(
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:t2dd72$1q3a$2@gioia.aioe.org:
On 2022-04-03 22:24:49 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in
news:atropos-BE7DF4.13213903042022@news.giganews.com:
All I can conclude is that entire writers room was
spectacularly high and this whole subplot came about when one
of them giggled through a cloud of pot smoke, "Hey, wouldn't
it be cool if..." and that's as much thought as any of them
put into it.
More likely, none of them (or the producers) are at all
familiar with previous series. It's not like ST has ever given
a damn about continuity *within* a series, much less between
them.
And JarJar Abrams' idiotic reboot has simply made things even
messier. :-(
I think he had to be pretty familiar with TOS to have so consistently
shit all over it.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >tremendous coincidence or something?
atropos@mac.com wrote:
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment of Deck 10.
On 2022-04-01 18:23:36 +0000, Steve Dodds said:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024
and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism
on IO, thought it was Europa.
If you're going all that way, why would you only visit one location?
Europa and Io *are* both moons of Jupiter, so it's not like they're on >oppostie ends of the solar system.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
nobody connected with this show understand current events?
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa in
October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I haven't
seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting confused about
her actually physically going there.
https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/
atropos@mac.com wrote:
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>> Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment of Deck 10.
It was? I thought it was an arbitrary name. Well, she still could have selected the placement to fit the name. It's a bit more of a stretch, but it seems within possibility.
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote
(in article<670db23a-c57c-4e2f...@googlegroups.com>):
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and >>> one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really >>> Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it wasStar Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the way through >> the first episode of the first season. I am not at all surprised that it's >> getting worse.
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody >>> connected with this show understand current events?
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa in
October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I haven't
seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting confused about
her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the astronaut
Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to be launched the
next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is NASA really going to plan
2 landings? And what about all the radiation?
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment of Deck 10.
On 4/4/2022 8:15 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.netIn any organization worth being called an "organization", no,
wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024,
why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on
Earth?
Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment
of Deck 10.
It was? I thought it was an arbitrary name. Well, she still
could have selected the placement to fit the name. It's a bit
more of a stretch, but it seems within possibility.
that would not have been possible. There is no way an
individual could show up at the ship design offices or the
shipyard and just said, "Put a bar in the ship here."
But we're talking about Hollywood writers so of course it is
possible in the show.
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024,
why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on
Earth?
of Deck 10.
You have to forget a great deal if you want to appreciate Star
Trek.
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote
(in article<670db23a-c57c-4e2f...@googlegroups.com>):
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have timeStar Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 >>>> and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, >>>> really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO,
thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
nobody connected with this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek >>> history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 >>>> and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, >>>> really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, >>>> thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
nobody connected with this show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek >>> history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it reference.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the
1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in
time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She
named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very
well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no
one would call it 10 forward.
On 4/4/2022 8:15 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing >>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>> Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't >>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment of Deck 10.
It was? I thought it was an arbitrary name. Well, she still could have selected the placement to fit the name. It's a bit more of a stretch, but it
seems within possibility.
In any organization worth being called an "organization", no, that would
not have been possible. There is no way an individual could show up at
the ship design offices or the shipyard and just said, "Put a bar in the
ship here."
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment of Deck 10.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>> Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
You have to forget a great deal if you want to appreciate Star Trek.
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World
War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely
ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to meet Sarah
Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it
reference.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness,
where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met
him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if they're going to
retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be
operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from
the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by
Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge
until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los
Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank.
She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It
might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her
bar wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
In article <t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me>,
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 >>>>>> and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, >>>>>> really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, >>>>>> thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does >>>>>> nobody connected with this show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek >>>>> history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it reference.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the
1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in
time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She
named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very
well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no
one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote in news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws governing
it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World
War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely
ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to meet Sarah
Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it
reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and pretty
much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid to watch, it was
just so disconnected from Star Trek is wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness,
where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met
him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if they're going to
retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be
operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from
the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by
Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script writers
and producers at continuity. Which is a day that ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge
until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los
Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank.
She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It
might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her
bar wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me>,
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 >>>>>>> and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to >>>>>>> Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism >>>>>>> on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does >>>>>>> nobody connected with this show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek
history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at >>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it reference.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the
1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in
time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She
named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very
well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no
one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the
beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and
established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for her character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an established
character we still saw the bar running without her probably more often than not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
This is easy enough to confirm. Be right back.
Bah. No, it's not. Guinean's's first appearance is S02E01 "the child"
Problem is it went behind a pay wall again probably on April 1.
The only place I can watch it free is planet Pluto and there I can only
wait for when it comes around. Not gonna happen.
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 >>>>> and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, >>>>> really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, >>>>> thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does
nobody connected with this show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star Trek >>>> history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it reference.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s
with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the
1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in
time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She
named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth.
It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar
wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.c
om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024!
Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it
was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have
World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager
completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it
reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and
pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid to
watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is wasn't
worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness,
where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already
met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if they're going to
retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be
operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from
the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by
Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script
writers and producers at continuity. Which is a day that ends
in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on
Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck,
but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024,
why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on
Earth?
of Deck 10.
You have to forget a great deal if you want to appreciate Star
Trek.
Including, ironically enough, Star Trek itself.
On 2022-04-04 21:53:11 +0000, Arthur Lipscomb said:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.co
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World
War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely
ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to meet Sarah
Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it
reference.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness,
where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already
met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if they're going to
retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be
operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from
the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by
Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge
until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to think her
Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence or
something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank.
She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth.
A quick Google search turns up mostly Star Trek references, but
there are also a few other real-life places using that name,
including a "performing arts venue and bar" in Massachusetts.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:t2gcfp$1j9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
On 2022-04-04 21:53:11 +0000, Arthur Lipscomb said:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.co
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World
War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely
ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to meet Sarah
Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it
reference.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness,
where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already
met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if they're going to
retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be
operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from
the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by
Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge
until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to think her
Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence or
something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank.
She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth.
A quick Google search turns up mostly Star Trek references, but
there are also a few other real-life places using that name,
including a "performing arts venue and bar" in Massachusetts.
Are there any that aren't clearly based on the show?
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2022 8:15 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >> >>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >> >>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >> >>>> Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >> >>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment of Deck 10.
It was? I thought it was an arbitrary name. Well, she still could have
selected the placement to fit the name. It's a bit more of a stretch, but it
seems within possibility.
Guinan wasn't even the original bartender. And that's all she ever was:
a bartender. She didn't own the place such that she could decide where
on the ship it was going to be or what it should be referred to.
The starship's designers in Starfleet HQ were the ones who decided to
include a recreational lounge and pit it on the leading edge of the >Enterprise's saucer on Deck 10.
https://i.stack.imgur.com/GhbBD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xeBbHSc.jpg
In any organization worth being called an "organization", no, that would
not have been possible. There is no way an individual could show up at
the ship design offices or the shipyard and just said, "Put a bar in the
ship here."
Exactly.
Here's an interesting article on how the lounge itself didn't really fit >where it would be on the original model of the ship and how that was
changed when subsequent models of the ship were made.
https://whatculture.com/tv/star-trek-10-more-secrets-of-the-uss-enterprise-d-you-need-to-know?page=5
The Ten Forward lounge was introduced at the start of STAR TREK: THE
NEXT GENERATION's second season in the episode "The Child". Prior to
that, numerous lounge and dining areas appeared aboard the Enterprise-D
as temporary "swing" sets (like the dining room in "Haven") or redresses
of the crew quarters (see "Justice"), but Ten Forward was intended to be >permanent standing set and a place to tell more personal stories about
the Starfleet crew.
The impressive Ten Forward set was designed by Herman Zimmerman and >constructed when the production moved to a new, larger soundstage. With
its three bays of windows looking out into space, the producers decided
to place Ten Forward at the tip of the Enterprise's saucer to match the >numerous clusters of windows that already existed on the filming
miniature.
According to the ships' designer, Andrew Probert, those windows were
intended to be lounge areas, but they weren't supposed to look like Ten >Forward. Worse, as envisioned by Probert, the tip of the Enterprise's
saucer wasn't even large enough to accommodate Ten Forward as it was >designed. The lounge was too big to fit in the space where it was
supposed to be on the ship.
Much to Probert's irritation, the producers ignored existing concept
artwork for those areas as well as pre-determined deck sizes, choosing
the underside of the saucer section for Ten Forward's location. This
decision created a discrepancy between the Enterprise-D filming
miniature and the sets, until a second model of the ship was constructed
in the third season which reflected the redesigned saucer section.
Still, footage of the older model and the new one was used
interchangeably throughout the rest of the series, creating a whole
other set of problems...
During preproduction on STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION, the producers
were able to secure the services of ILM (usually reserved for major
motion pictures, including the TOS features) to construct the filming >miniature of the Enterprise-D. ILM also shot numerous pieces of stock
footage of the Enterprise flying past camera, entering orbit, jumping to >warp, and other generic shots which the producers planned to use
throughout the run of the show.
That plan was quickly proved to be shortsighted and new footage of the >Enterprise was deemed necessary for the rest of the season, though it
would have to be filmed without ILM. Still using the six-foot model,
TNG's VFX producers found the Enterprise-D miniature difficult to shoot
due its size and awkward mounting points.
By the third season, the producers commissioned another, smaller model
of the Enterprise, which was constructed by Gregory Jein. This new
four-foot model featured an expanded saucer rim (so that Ten Forward
could finally, realistically fit inside the ship) and exaggerated hull >paneling and details. Called a "bulldog" by VFX producer Dan Curry for
it's "stockier" build, the four-foot Enterprise debuted in the episode
"The Defector" as new footage intercut with older shots of the six-foot >model.
Due to footage of the two models being intercut like that, the
Enterprise-D would often change appearance between scenes, from the
sleeker, smoother six-foot Enterprise to the more detailed and stockier >four-footer, within any given episode.
Discrepancies in the Enterprise-D's appearance only worsened with the >introduction of CGI models of the ship, starting with 1994's STAR TREK >GENERATIONS. For that film, ILM yet again provided the visual effects, >shooting new effects sequences with the original six-foot model (with
new details and a new paint scheme) as well as creating a
computer-generated model of the ship. While close in appearance to the
two physical models, ILM's digital Enterprise-D still featured a more >pronounced deflector dish and blockier appearance.
On 4/4/2022 8:15 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
It was? I thought it was an arbitrary name. Well, she still could haveI know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing >>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>>> Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't >>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment of Deck 10. >>
selected the placement to fit the name. It's a bit more of a stretch, but
it seems within possibility.
In any organization worth being called an "organization", no, that would
not have been possible. There is no way an individual could show up at
the ship design offices or the shipyard and just said, "Put a bar in the
ship here."
In article <t2fjk6$vq5$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
On 4/4/2022 8:15 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
In article <t2f1ov$44q$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
On 4/4/2022 4:49 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
It was? I thought it was an arbitrary name. Well, she still could haveI know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing >>>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>>>> Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't >>>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >>>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
Maybe she named the bar on the Enterprise-D after the one on Earth?
Only if you forget that the bar was in the Forward Compartment of Deck 10. >>>
selected the placement to fit the name. It's a bit more of a stretch, but >>> it seems within possibility.
In any organization worth being called an "organization", no, that would
not have been possible. There is no way an individual could show up at
the ship design offices or the shipyard and just said, "Put a bar in the
ship here."
Oh, I didn't think when the shuip was designed, someone decided to put a bar there in every shipo of that type. I assumed there were empty slots and someone
thought it would be clever to buy that one for their bar.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:I'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything other than
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.c
om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024!
Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it
was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have
World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager
completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it
reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and
pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid to
watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is wasn't
worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness,
where she doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already
met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if they're going to
retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be
operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from
the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by
Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script
writers and producers at continuity. Which is a day that ends
in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on
Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck,
but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
TOS reruns years ago.
On 2022-04-05 04:55:13 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
news:t2gcfp$1j9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
On 2022-04-04 21:53:11 +0000, Arthur Lipscomb said:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.
co m>, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024!
Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it
was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have
World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager
completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it
reference.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024,
why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained
by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on
Earth.
A quick Google search turns up mostly Star Trek references,
but there are also a few other real-life places using that
name, including a "performing arts venue and bar" in
Massachusetts.
Are there any that aren't clearly based on the show?
Without visiting them all and them all having a "why we called
it this" page (or emailing/phoning them to ask), there's no way
to know. One is an after-school centre, so may well be for kids
10 years and old, hence "TenForward".
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:I'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything other
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews
.c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in
NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in
2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO,
thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history
is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have
World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager
completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss it
reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and
pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid to
watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is wasn't
worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in
2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward
Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script
writers and producers at continuity. Which is a day that ends
in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar
on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th
deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10
forward.
than TOS reruns years ago.
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have
World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager
completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024,
why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained
by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on
Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck,
but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge
from the beginning. She only showed up later, after it was
already named and established-- and then only because of its
literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory
episode for her character where they said she just came aboard
that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time we saw her.
After she was an established character we still saw the bar
running without her probably more often than not. So she
could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a
mysterious past with Picard.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star >>>>>> Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at >>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the
1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in
time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't
know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd
Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She
named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very
well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no
one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the
beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and
established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for her >character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she just >tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an established
character we still saw the bar running without her probably more often than >not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
news:t2hu1f$h3g$1@dont-email.me:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have
World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager
completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024,
why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained
by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on
Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck,
but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge
from the beginning. She only showed up later, after it was
already named and established-- and then only because of its
literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory
episode for her character where they said she just came aboard
that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time we saw her.
After she was an established character we still saw the bar
running without her probably more often than not. So she
could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a
mysterious past with Picard.
Less mysterious, perhaps, than you realize.
Memory Alpha has a pretty decent complation from primary srouces.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Guinan
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for herI complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from theI could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star >>>>>>> Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite
different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at >>>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the >>>>>> ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing >>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>>
1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in
time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't >>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She
named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very
well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no >>>> one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the
beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and
established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship. >>
character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she just
tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an established
character we still saw the bar running without her probably more often than >> not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a mysterious past with Picard.
--
Let's go Brandon!
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
news:t2hu1f$h3g$1@dont-email.me:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have
World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager
completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024,
why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained
by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on
Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck,
but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge
from the beginning. She only showed up later, after it was
already named and established-- and then only because of its
literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory
episode for her character where they said she just came aboard
that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time we saw her.
After she was an established character we still saw the bar
running without her probably more often than not. So she
could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a
mysterious past with Picard.
Less mysterious, perhaps, than you realize.
Memory Alpha has a pretty decent complation from primary srouces.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Guinan
So why isn’t Kirk still in the nexus?
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
news:t2hu1f$h3g$1@dont-email.me:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history
is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't
have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course,
Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in
time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in
2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward
Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar
on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th
deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10
forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge
from the beginning. She only showed up later, after it was
already named and established-- and then only because of its
literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory
episode for her character where they said she just came
aboard that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time
we saw her. After she was an established character we still
saw the bar running without her probably more often than not.
So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a
mysterious past with Picard.
Less mysterious, perhaps, than you realize.
Memory Alpha has a pretty decent complation from primary
srouces.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Guinan
So why isn’t Kirk still in the nexus?
On 4/5/2022 11:52 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:Because Sulu hates him.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote in
news:t2hu1f$h3g$1@dont-email.me:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history
is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't
have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course,
Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back
in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but
if they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in
2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward
Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar
on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th
deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10
forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise
lounge from the beginning. She only showed up later, after
it was already named and established-- and then only
because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory
episode for her character where they said she just came
aboard that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time
we saw her. After she was an established character we still
saw the bar running without her probably more often than
not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a
mysterious past with Picard.
Less mysterious, perhaps, than you realize.
Memory Alpha has a pretty decent complation from primary
srouces.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Guinan
So why isn’t Kirk still in the nexus?
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
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On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST to
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything other
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easyne
ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in
NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in
2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO,
thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show
understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history
is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't
have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course,
Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back
in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss
it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and
pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid
to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is
wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but
if they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in
2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward
Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script
writers and producers at continuity. Which is a day that
ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar
on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the
10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call
it 10 forward.
than TOS reruns years ago.
be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina Sirtis does
know how to keep the fans' attention at convention
appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that aren’t
allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The psychotic bitche is only now
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always has
been on the inside.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in
news:1130647229.670873403.936802.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews
.co m:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST to
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easy
ne ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have
time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors
is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really
Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an
organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand
science fiction? Does nobody connected with this
show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek
history is quite different from ours. For instance, we
didn't have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of
course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship
went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you
miss it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and
pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid
to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is
wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even
though she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark
Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not
knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a
bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering
Picard from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out
that in the new timeline there wouldn't have been an
Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in time and
meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the
script writers and producers at continuity. Which is a
day that ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her
bar on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on
the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would
call it 10 forward.
is.
other than TOS reruns years ago.
be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina Sirtis
does know how to keep the fans' attention at convention
appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that aren’t
allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words
were coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And
that was an unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the normal
convention wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always has
been on the inside.
than she ever could.
Only two idiots.
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in news:1130647229.670873403.936802.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.co
m:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST to
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything other
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easyne
ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in
NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in
2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO,
thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show
understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history
is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't
have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course,
Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back
in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss
it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and
pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid
to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is
wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but
if they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in
2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward
Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script
writers and producers at continuity. Which is a day that
ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar
on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the
10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call
it 10 forward.
than TOS reruns years ago.
be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina Sirtis does
know how to keep the fans' attention at convention
appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that aren’t
allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words were
coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And that was an
unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the normal convention
wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly than
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always has
been on the inside.
she ever could.
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in news:1130647229.670873403.936802.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.co
m:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST to
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything other
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easyne >>>>>>>>>> ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time >>>>>>>>>>>> traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in
NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in >>>>>>>>>>>> 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO,
thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science >>>>>>>>>>>> fiction? Does nobody connected with this show
understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history
is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't
have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course,
Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back
in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss
it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and
pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid
to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is
wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but
if they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in
2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward
Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script
writers and producers at continuity. Which is a day that
ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar
on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the
10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call
it 10 forward.
than TOS reruns years ago.
be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina Sirtis does
know how to keep the fans' attention at convention
appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that aren’t
allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words were
coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And that was an
unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the normal convention
wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly than
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always has
been on the inside.
she ever could.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for her >>> character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she just >>> tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an establishedI complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from theI could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star >>>>>>>> Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite >>>>>>> different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at >>>>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the >>>>>>> ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing >>>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>>>
1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there
wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in >>>>> time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't >>>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >>>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She >>>>> named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very >>>>> well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no >>>>> one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the >>>> beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and
established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship. >>>
character we still saw the bar running without her probably more often than
not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a mysterious past with >> Picard.
She and 10 forward both appear for the first time in the same episode which is suspicious.
On Apr 5, 2022 at 1:36:10 PM PDT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha" <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in
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Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST to
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything other
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easyne >>>>>>>>>>> ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time >>>>>>>>>>>>> traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in >>>>>>>>>>>>> NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science >>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction? Does nobody connected with this show
understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't >>>>>>>>>>>> understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history >>>>>>>>>>> is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't
have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course,
Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back >>>>>>>>>>> in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss
it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and
pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid
to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is
wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though >>>>>>>>>> she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but
if they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in >>>>>>>>>> 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward
Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script
writers and producers at continuity. Which is a day that
ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar >>>>>>>>> on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the
10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call
it 10 forward.
than TOS reruns years ago.
be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina Sirtis does
know how to keep the fans' attention at convention
appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that aren’t
allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words were
coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And that was an
unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the normal convention
wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly than
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always has
been on the inside.
she ever could.
Exactly how does calling someone either psychotic or a bitch-- whether they deserve it or not-- make someone a racist?
On 4/5/2022 5:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 1:36:10 PM PDT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha"That question identifies you as racist.
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in
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m:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST to
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything other
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easyne >>>>>>>>>>>> ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time >>>>>>>>>>>>>> traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction? Does nobody connected with this show
understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history >>>>>>>>>>>> is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, >>>>>>>>>>>> Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back >>>>>>>>>>>> in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you miss >>>>>>>>>> it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and >>>>>>>>> pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid >>>>>>>>> to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star Trek is
wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though >>>>>>>>>>> she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but >>>>>>>>>>> if they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in >>>>>>>>>>> 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward
Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard >>>>>>>>>> from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the >>>>>>>>>> new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the script >>>>>>>>> writers and producers at continuity. Which is a day that
ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there is. >>>>>>>>>
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she >>>>>>>>>>> still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just >>>>>>>>>>> supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar >>>>>>>>>> on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the
10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call >>>>>>>>>> it 10 forward.
than TOS reruns years ago.
be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina Sirtis does
know how to keep the fans' attention at convention
appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that aren’t
allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words were
coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And that was an
unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the normal convention
wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly than
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always has
been on the inside.
she ever could.
Exactly how does calling someone either psychotic or a bitch-- whether they >> deserve it or not-- make someone a racist?
On Apr 5, 2022 at 11:52:36 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:was just an unused storage space or something and Guinan just set herself
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for her >>>> character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she just >>>> tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an establishedI complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the >>>>>> 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there >>>>>> wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in >>>>>> time and meet her.I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star >>>>>>>>> Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite >>>>>>>> different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at >>>>>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the >>>>>>>> ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she >>>>>>> doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing >>>>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>>>>
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't >>>>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >>>>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a >>>>>>> tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She >>>>>> named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very >>>>>> well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no >>>>>> one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the >>>>> beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and
established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship. >>>>
character we still saw the bar running without her probably more often than
not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a mysterious past with >>> Picard.
She and 10 forward both appear for the first time in the same episode which >> is suspicious.
It'd be hilarious if 10 Forward was never supposed to be on the ship. That it
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024
and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism
on IO, thought it was Europa. Does nobody connected to this show
understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show
understand current events?
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 11:52:36 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote: >>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the >>>>>>> 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there >>>>>>> wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in >>>>>>> time and meet her.
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star >>>>>>>>>> Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite >>>>>>>>> different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at >>>>>>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship
went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>>>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing >>>>>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>>>>>
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't >>>>>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >>>>>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She >>>>>>> named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very >>>>>>> well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no >>>>>>> one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the >>>>>> beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and >>>>>> established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for >>>>> her character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she >>>>> just tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an
established character we still saw the bar running without her probably >>>>> more often than not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a mysterious past >>>> with Picard.
She and 10 forward both appear for the first time in the same episode
which is suspicious.
It'd be hilarious if 10 Forward was never supposed to be on the ship.
That it was just an unused storage space or something and Guinan just
set herself up on the ship and used some strange alien ability to make
everyone think it had always been there and was perfectly normal.
In a rare case (the only one I can think of) of real Trek retconing crap Trek, the Enterprise A had its own 10 forward lounge (Taking up decks five and six forward) and we finally found out what those three big round
windows right in the front of the saucer were, of course this was a couple years after 10 forward premiered in TNG.
On Apr 5, 2022 at 11:52:36 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
<anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history
is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't
have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course,
Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back
in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but
if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10
Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar
on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th
deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10
forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise
lounge from the beginning. She only showed up later, after
it was already named and established-- and then only
because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory
episode for her character where they said she just came
aboard that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time
we saw her. After she was an established character we still
saw the bar running without her probably more often than
not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a
mysterious past with Picard.
She and 10 forward both appear for the first time in the same
episode which is suspicious.
It'd be hilarious if 10 Forward was never supposed to be on the
ship. That it was just an unused storage space or something and
Guinan just set herself up on the ship and used some strange
alien ability to make everyone think it had always been there
and was perfectly normal.
On Apr 5, 2022 at 1:36:10 PM PDT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha" <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in
news:1130647229.670873403.936802.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews
.co m:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.eas
yne ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have
time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors >>>>>>>>>>>>> is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really
Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an
organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand
science fiction? Does nobody connected with this
show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek
history is quite different from ours. For instance,
we didn't have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of
course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship
went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you
miss it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise
and pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too
stupid to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star
Trek is wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even
though she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark
Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not
knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a
bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering
Picard from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out
that in the new timeline there wouldn't have been an
Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in time and
meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the
script writers and producers at continuity. Which is a
day that ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're
just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her
bar on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on
the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would
call it 10 forward.
is.
other than TOS reruns years ago.
to be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina
Sirtis does know how to keep the fans' attention at
convention appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that aren’t
allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words
were coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And
that was an unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the normal
convention wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always has
been on the inside.
than she ever could.
Exactly how does calling someone either psychotic or a bitch--
whether they deserve it or not-- make someone a racist?
On 4/5/2022 5:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 1:36:10 PM PDT, "Jibini Kula TumbiliThat question identifies you as racist.
Kujisalimisha" <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in
news:1130647229.670873403.936802.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynew
s.co m:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.e >>>>>>>>>>>> asyne ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's
ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention >>>>>>>>>>>>>> she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand
science fiction? Does nobody connected with this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this
don't understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek
history is quite different from ours. For instance,
we didn't have World War III -- at least, not yet.
Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the
ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you
miss it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise
and pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too
stupid to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star
Trek is wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even
though she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark
Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not
knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a
bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering
Picard from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out
that in the new timeline there wouldn't have been an
Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in time
and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the
script writers and producers at continuity. Which is a
day that ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s,
she still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and
its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so
we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive
bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough
to fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after
her bar on Earth. It might very well be
coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar
wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
there is.
other than TOS reruns years ago.
to be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina
Sirtis does know how to keep the fans' attention at
convention appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that
aren’t allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words
were coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And
that was an unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the
normal convention wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always
has been on the inside.
than she ever could.
Exactly how does calling someone either psychotic or a bitch--
whether they deserve it or not-- make someone a racist?
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in news:6fadnQRDc8oEQdH_nZ2dnUU7-aednZ2d@giganews.com:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 11:52:36 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk"And Guinan has a little sister nobody doesn't remember wasn't there
<anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history
is quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't
have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course,
Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back
in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but
if they're going to retcon her into not knowing
Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10
Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the
new timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D
captained by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just
supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar
on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th
deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10
forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise
lounge from the beginning. She only showed up later, after
it was already named and established-- and then only
because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory
episode for her character where they said she just came
aboard that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time
we saw her. After she was an established character we still
saw the bar running without her probably more often than
not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a
mysterious past with Picard.
She and 10 forward both appear for the first time in the same
episode which is suspicious.
It'd be hilarious if 10 Forward was never supposed to be on the
ship. That it was just an unused storage space or something and
Guinan just set herself up on the ship and used some strange
alien ability to make everyone think it had always been there
and was perfectly normal.
before?
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in news:6fadnQdDc8qVQNH_nZ2dnUU7-aednZ2d@giganews.com:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 1:36:10 PM PDT, "Jibini Kula TumbiliI rest my case. No, you don't get it, and never will. And that's
Kujisalimisha" <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in
news:1130647229.670873403.936802.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews
.co m:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider ST
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote inAt some point you go blind.
news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.eas >>>>>>>>>>>> yne ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europa in 2024! Then they mention she finds an
organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand
science fiction? Does nobody connected with this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical laws
governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek
history is quite different from ours. For instance,
we didn't have World War III -- at least, not yet. Of >>>>>>>>>>>> course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship >>>>>>>>>>>> went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you
miss it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise
and pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too
stupid to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star
Trek is wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even
though she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark
Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not
knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a
bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering
Picard from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out
that in the new timeline there wouldn't have been an
Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in time and
meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the
script writers and producers at continuity. Which is a
day that ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all there
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she
still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its
10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're
just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her
bar on Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on
the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no one would
call it 10 forward.
is.
other than TOS reruns years ago.
to be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina
Sirtis does know how to keep the fans' attention at
convention appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that aren’t
allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words
were coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And
that was an unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the normal
convention wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always has
been on the inside.
than she ever could.
Exactly how does calling someone either psychotic or a bitch--
whether they deserve it or not-- make someone a racist?
part of the point.
In a rare case (the only one I can think of) of real Trek retconing crap Trek, the Enterprise A had its own 10 forward lounge (Taking up decks five and six forward) and we finally found out what those three big round
windows right in the front of the saucer were, of course this was a couple years after 10 forward premiered in TNG.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't
understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is
quite different from ours. For instance, we didn't have
World War III -- at least, not yet. Of course, Voyager
completely ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even though
she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark Twain, but if
they're going to retcon her into not knowing Picard in 2024,
why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard
from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new
timeline there wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained
by Picard to go back in time and meet her.
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still
wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward
lounge until the 23rd Century, so we're just supposed to
think her Los Angeles dive bar was a tremendous coincidence
or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to
fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on
Earth. It might very well be coincidentally on the 10th deck,
but if her bar wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge
from the beginning. She only showed up later, after it was
already named and established-- and then only because of its
literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory
episode for her character where they said she just came aboard
that day? Or was she just tending bar the first time we saw her.
After she was an established character we still saw the bar
running without her probably more often than not. So she
could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a
mysterious past with Picard.
Less mysterious, perhaps, than you realize.
Memory Alpha has a pretty decent complation from primary srouces.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Guinan
So why isn't Kirk still in the nexus?
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote in >news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and pretty
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid to watch, it was
just so disconnected from Star Trek is wasn't worth the bother).
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/5/2022 5:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 1:36:10 PM PDT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha" <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
That question identifies you as racist.I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider STI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :DI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anythingAt some point you go blind.So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's
ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand
science fiction? Does nobody connected with this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this
don't understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek
history is quite different from ours. For instance, >>>>>>>>>>>>> we didn't have World War III -- at least, not yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the >>>>>>>>>>>>> ship went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you
miss it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise
and pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too
stupid to watch, it was just so disconnected from Star
Trek is wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even
though she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark
Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not
knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a >>>>>>>>>>>> bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering
Picard from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out
that in the new timeline there wouldn't have been an
Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in time
and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the
script writers and producers at continuity. Which is a
day that ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s,
she still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and
its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so
we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive
bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough
to fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise after
her bar on Earth. It might very well be
coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar
wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
there is.
other than TOS reruns years ago.
to be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina
Sirtis does know how to keep the fans' attention at
convention appearances.)
By telling half of them that they'e racists that
aren't allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that words
were coming out of her mouth, much less what they were. And
that was an unplanned appearance, so she didn't have the
normal convention wardrobe. What little of it there was.
The psychotic bitch is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more compellingly
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always
has been on the inside.
than she ever could.
Exactly how does calling someone either psychotic or a bitch--
whether they deserve it or not-- make someone a racist?
Racism is a core value of the left.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise and pretty
much everything after DS9 (which wasn't too stupid to watch, it was
just so disconnected from Star Trek is wasn't worth the bother).
I enjoyed Voyager
On Apr 5, 2022 at 8:58:43 PM PDT, "Ninapenda Jibini"
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in
news:6fadnQdDc8qVQNH_nZ2dnUU7-aednZ2d@giganews.com:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 1:36:10 PM PDT, "Jibini Kula TumbiliI rest my case. No, you don't get it, and never will. And
Kujisalimisha" <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in
news:1130647229.670873403.936802.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easyn
ews .co m:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:t2hlea$ejk$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:I got the masturbation reference. I just don't consider
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote inI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :D
news:t2g1u6$2a8$2@dont-email.me:
On 4/4/2022 3:59 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anything
wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wroteAt some point you go blind.
in news:t2fpc9$dh7$1@dont-email.me:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <030420221438069795%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
In article
<673022677.670644667.463732.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news. >>>>>>>>>>>>> eas yne ws .c om
, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's
ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to
Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they mention >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand
science fiction? Does nobody connected with this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show understand current events?
It's set in an alternate Star Trek timeline.
In an alternate universe, with alternate physical
laws governing it.
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this
don't understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek
history is quite different from ours. For
instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely
ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and you
miss it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like Enterprise
and pretty much everything after DS9 (which wasn't
too stupid to watch, it was just so disconnected from
Star Trek is wasn't worth the bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan
weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even
though she'd already met him in the 1800s with Mark
Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not
knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be operating
a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering
Picard from the 1880s. But someone else pointed out
that in the new timeline there wouldn't have been an
Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in time
and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the
script writers and producers at continuity. Which is
a day that ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s,
she still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and
its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so
we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive
bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough
to fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise
after her bar on Earth. It might very well be
coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar
wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
there is.
other than TOS reruns years ago.
ST to be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though Marina
Sirtis does know how to keep the fans' attention at
convention appearances.)
By telling half of them that they’re racists that
aren’t allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that
words were coming out of her mouth, much less what they
were. And that was an unplanned appearance, so she didn't
have the normal convention wardrobe. What little of it there
was.
The psychotic bitche is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always
has been on the inside.
compellingly than she ever could.
Exactly how does calling someone either psychotic or a
bitch-- whether they deserve it or not-- make someone a
racist?
that's part of the point.
Oh, I get it. I just like making guys like you put it on display
like this.
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/5/2022 5:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 1:36:10 PM PDT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha" <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2022 9:54 PM, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Steve Dodds <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
That question identifies you as racist.I got the masturbation reference. I just don't considerI *WHOOSH*'d Terry! :DI'll take you word for it. I stopped watching anythingAt some point you go blind.So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they
have time traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then they
mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science fiction? Does nobody connected with
this show understand current events?
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't understand Star Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek >>>>>>>>>>>>>> history is quite different from ours. For
instance, we didn't have World War III -- at
least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely
ignored WW3 when the ship went back in time to
meet Sarah Silverman.
Voyager didn't ignore it. There was a blink and
you miss it reference.
Voyager was too stupid to watch, much like
Enterprise and pretty much everything after DS9
(which wasn't too stupid to watch, it was just so
disconnected from Star Trek is wasn't worth the
bother).
I know people have already commented on the Guinan >>>>>>>>>>>>> weirdness, where she doesn't remember Picard even
though she'd already met him in the 1800s with
Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her
into not knowing Picard in 2024, why would she be
operating a bar at 10 Forward Street?
I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering
Picard from the 1880s. But someone else pointed
out that in the new timeline there wouldn't have
been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back
in time and meet her.
Fanwank to cover up the utterly incompetence of the
script writers and producers at continuity. Which is
a day that ends in "y."
Wank wank wank. At some point, the wankage is all
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s,
she still wouldn't know about the Enterprise-D and >>>>>>>>>>>>> its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd Century, so
we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive
bar was a tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough
to fanwank. She named the bar on the Enterprise
after her bar on Earth. It might very well be
coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar
wasn't there no one would call it 10 forward.
there is.
other than TOS reruns years ago.
ST to be wanking material, unlike so many. (Though
Marina Sirtis does know how to keep the fans' attention
at convention appearances.)
By telling half of them that they'e racists that
aren't allowed to be Star Trek fans?
The audience at ComicCon was, by and large, unaware that
words were coming out of her mouth, much less what they
were. And that was an unplanned appearance, so she didn't
have the normal convention wardrobe. What little of it there
was.
The psychotic bitch is only nowWhen you talk like that, you make her point more
becoming as ugly on the outside is she apparently always
has been on the inside.
compellingly than she ever could.
Exactly how does calling someone either psychotic or a
bitch-- whether they deserve it or not-- make someone a
racist?
Racism is a core value of the left.
The Democrat party /is/ the party of racism.
--
Let's go Brandon!
Oh, I get it. I just like making guys like you put it on display like this.
On 2022-04-06, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Oh, I get it. I just like making guys like you put it on
display like this.
Keeping up with the rules of political correctness is like
trying to nail jelly to a tree. It's all fluid and keeps
changing seemingly at random.
On 2022-04-06, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Oh, I get it. I just like making guys like you put it on display like this.
Keeping up with the rules of political correctness is like trying to nail jelly to a tree. It's all fluid and keeps changing seemingly at random.
Does saying spic, wop, nigger, or kike make someone a racist? I don't
know any more.
On 2022-04-06, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Oh, I get it. I just like making guys like you put it on display like
this.
Keeping up with the rules of political correctness is like trying to nail >jelly to a tree. It's all fluid and keeps changing seemingly at random.
Does saying spic, wop, nigger, or kike make someone a racist? I don't
know any more.
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time traveled to 2024 and one
of Picard's ancestors is in NASA preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa
in 2024! Then they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand current events?
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
If you look into the history of the fascist left actually gaining
power (see every communist regime, ever, for instance), you'll find a
very consistent patter of them turning on their own as soon as
they're on top. When they run out of enemies to attack, they create
more from whoever is handy, and nobody is more handy than their own
sheep, who *never* see it coming.
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
Wasn't the Galileo orbitting far enough from Jupiter to make radiation
not a problem? I remember it was an issue for Casini, but it was making
close orbits to Jupiter.
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
Wasn't the Galileo orbitting far enough from Jupiter to make radiation
not a problem? I remember it was an issue for Casini, but it was making
close orbits to Jupiter.
--
Let's go Brandon!
On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 16:05:44 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
If you look into the history of the fascist left actually
gaining power (see every communist regime, ever, for instance),
you'll find a very consistent patter of them turning on their
own as soon as they're on top. When they run out of enemies to
attack, they create more from whoever is handy, and nobody is
more handy than their own sheep, who *never* see it coming.
I dunno - Hitler was pretty anti-semitic from the beginning - he
didn't wait till after the night of the long knives for that.
\
In article <t2mjfa$kom$9@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
Wasn't the Galileo orbitting far enough from Jupiter to make radiation
not a problem? I remember it was an issue for Casini, but it was making
close orbits to Jupiter.
So Jupiter is radioactive?
I always thought whatever radiation issues spacecraft might have would
come from the sun. I didn't think any of the planets were emitting
massive amounts of radiation, too.
oThe last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it Ts still on
my list.
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
Wasn't the Galileo orbitting far enough from Jupiter to make radiation
not a problem? I remember it was an issue for Casini, but it was making
close orbits to Jupiter.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
Wasn't the Galileo orbitting far enough from Jupiter to make radiation
not a problem? I remember it was an issue for Casini, but it was making
close orbits to Jupiter.
So Jupiter is radioactive?
I always thought whatever radiation issues spacecraft might have would
come from the sun. I didn't think any of the planets were emitting
massive amounts of radiation, too.
On 4/7/2022 4:55 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
Wasn't the Galileo orbitting far enough from Jupiter to make radiation
not a problem? I remember it was an issue for Casini, but it was making
close orbits to Jupiter.
Cassini was exploring Saturn.
In article <t2musq$4sg$3@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net wrote:
On 4/7/2022 4:55 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
Wasn't the Galileo orbitting far enough from Jupiter to make radiation
not a problem? I remember it was an issue for Casini, but it was making
close orbits to Jupiter.
Cassini was exploring Saturn.
Dooh! I meant Juno.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <t2mjfa$kom$9@dont-email.me>,Jupiter space is nasty, but space itself is nasty.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
taustinca@gmail.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/1/2022 4:10 PM, Steve Dodds wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-6, Wolffan wrote:
On 01 Apr 2022, Steve Dodds wrote:
So I'm watching Picard episode 4 or 5, they have time
traveled to 2024 and one of Picard's ancestors is in NASA
preparing for a trip to Europa, really Europa in 2024! Then
they mention she finds an organism on IO, thought it was
Europa.
Does nobody connected to this show understand science
fiction? Does nobody connected with this show understand
current events?
Star Dreck Pick-a-card started out silly; I didn't get all the
way through the first episode of the first season. I am not at
all surprised that it's getting worse.
NASA is launching a "Europa Clipper" spacecraft to go to Europa
in October 2024, but it of course won't be a manned mission. I
haven't seen this Picard episode, but perhaps you were getting
confused about her actually physically going there.
<https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/about/>
I'm not confused, it's definitely a manned mission, the
astronaut Picard's great-niece, is being put into quarantine to
be launched the next day, in 2024. And as to visiting IO is
NASA really going to plan 2 landings? And what about all the
radiation?
Actually all the radiation would be why they would want to do
two landings. Get the most out of the ship before its
electronics become fried beyond operability.
Galileo orbited Jupiter for seven years. It was still functional
enough at the end of that time to deliberately de-orbit into
Jupiter. And that was nearly 30 years ago.
Wasn't the Galileo orbitting far enough from Jupiter to make radiation
not a problem? I remember it was an issue for Casini, but it was making >>> close orbits to Jupiter.
So Jupiter is radioactive?
I always thought whatever radiation issues spacecraft might have would
come from the sun. I didn't think any of the planets were emitting
massive amounts of radiation, too.
https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2020/02/what-is-the-source-of-jupiters-radiation
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 2022 at 11:52:36 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote: >>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:I complained bitterly about Guinan not remembering Picard from the >>>>>>> 1880s. But someone else pointed out that in the new timeline there >>>>>>> wouldn't have been an Enterprise D captained by Picard to go back in >>>>>>> time and meet her.
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
I could defend this, but the hacks behind this don't understand Star >>>>>>>>>> Trek history either.
Not that they're paying attention, but Star Trek history is quite >>>>>>>>> different from ours. For instance, we didn't have World War III -- at >>>>>>>>> least, not yet. Of course, Voyager completely ignored WW3 when the ship
went back in time to meet Sarah Silverman.
I know people have already commented on the Guinan weirdness, where she
doesn't remember Picard even though she'd already met him in the 1800s >>>>>>>> with Mark Twain, but if they're going to retcon her into not knowing >>>>>>>> Picard in 2024, why would she be operating a bar at 10 Forward Street? >>>>>>>
Even if she *did* remember Picard from the 1800s, she still wouldn't >>>>>>>> know about the Enterprise-D and its 10-Forward lounge until the 23rd >>>>>>>> Century, so we're just supposed to think her Los Angeles dive bar was a
tremendous coincidence or something?
I rolled my eyes at that too. But it's easy enough to fanwank. She >>>>>>> named the bar on the Enterprise after her bar on Earth. It might very >>>>>>> well be coincidentally on the 10th deck, but if her bar wasn't there no >>>>>>> one would call it 10 forward.
But she wasn't the manager/operator of the Enterprise lounge from the >>>>>> beginning. She only showed up later, after it was already named and >>>>>> established-- and then only because of its literal deckspace on the ship.
I'm not sure that's right. Was there ever an introductory episode for >>>>> her character where they said she just came aboard that day? Or was she >>>>> just tending bar the first time we saw her. After she was an
established character we still saw the bar running without her probably >>>>> more often than not. So she could've easily been there from day one.
If memory serves, Guinan's always been there and had a mysterious past >>>> with Picard.
She and 10 forward both appear for the first time in the same episode
which is suspicious.
It'd be hilarious if 10 Forward was never supposed to be on the ship.
That it was just an unused storage space or something and Guinan just
set herself up on the ship and used some strange alien ability to make
everyone think it had always been there and was perfectly normal.
In a rare case (the only one I can think of) of real Trek retconing crap Trek, the Enterprise A had its own 10 forward lounge (Taking up decks five and six forward) and we finally found out what those three big round
windows right in the front of the saucer were, of course this was a couple years after 10 forward premiered in TNG.
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