• non-Tolkein Rings of Power

    From Cheesy Quackers@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 9 11:43:16 2022
    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to Rings of Power
    is that they should never have used Middle Earth as the setting. They
    should have made the series as a general fantasy series that was
    influenced by Tolkien, but not an actual Middle Earth story.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Cheesy Quackers on Fri Sep 9 12:19:53 2022
    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to Rings of
    Power is that they should never have used Middle Earth as the
    setting. They should have made the series as a general fantasy
    series that was influenced by Tolkien, but not an actual Middle
    Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official setting
    the series might not have attracted as many viewers... although now,
    a lot will switch off before the end of the season anyway.

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  • From Jerry Brown@21:1/5 to cheesyquackers@duck.com on Fri Sep 9 14:53:24 2022
    On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 11:43:16 -0000 (UTC), Cheesy Quackers <cheesyquackers@duck.com> wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to Rings of Power
    is that they should never have used Middle Earth as the setting. They
    should have made the series as a general fantasy series that was
    influenced by Tolkien, but not an actual Middle Earth story.

    Shannara Chrionicles tried that and failed (I'm aware it was based on
    a Tolkien knock-off series of books).

    As far as I'm concerned it was cheap and cheerful compared to the
    earnest and lethargic Rings of Power, and much more enjoyable.

    I'm still hoping for a TV version of Jim Butcher's Codex Alera, but
    expect I'll be disappointed.

    --
    Jerry Brown

    A cat may look at a king
    (but probably won't bother)

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sat Sep 10 00:19:56 2022
    "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
    news:tffb19$e9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to
    Rings of Power is that they should never have used Middle Earth
    as the setting. They should have made the series as a general
    fantasy series that was influenced by Tolkien, but not an
    actual Middle Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official
    setting the series might not have attracted as many viewers...
    although now, a lot will switch off before the end of the season
    anyway.

    Fewer viewers vs lower production costs, starting with $250 million
    for the rights.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ninapenda Jibini on Sat Sep 10 14:05:01 2022
    On 2022-09-10 00:19:56 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in news:tffb19$e9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to
    Rings of Power is that they should never have used Middle Earth
    as the setting. They should have made the series as a general
    fantasy series that was influenced by Tolkien, but not an
    actual Middle Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official
    setting the series might not have attracted as many viewers...
    although now, a lot will switch off before the end of the season
    anyway.

    Fewer viewers vs lower production costs, starting with $250 million
    for the rights.

    Also less interference by the current Tolkien license holders (the
    grandson was involved in the TV show, but had no say in the Peter
    Jackson films).

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Sep 9 20:50:46 2022
    On 9/9/2022 7:05 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-09-10 00:19:56 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
    news:tffb19$e9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to
    Rings of Power is that they should never have used Middle Earth
    as the setting. They should have made the series as a general
    fantasy series that was influenced by Tolkien, but not an
    actual Middle Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official
    setting the series might not have attracted as many viewers...
    although now, a lot will switch off before the end of the season
    anyway.

    Fewer viewers vs lower production costs, starting with $250 million
    for the rights.

    Also less interference by the current Tolkien license holders (the
    grandson was involved in the TV show, but had no say in the Peter
    Jackson films).

    The Jackson films were okay'd by JRRT's son who was already very old.
    He had always been VERY careful about his father's legacy and was not
    approving Middle Earth projects very often. When the son retired the
    next generation of Tolkiens gained control and they very much want to
    cash in. They are the ones who gave permission for 'Rings of Power'.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat Sep 10 03:57:27 2022
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
    news:tfgrcd$qsv$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 2022-09-10 00:19:56 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
    news:tffb19$e9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to
    Rings of Power is that they should never have used Middle
    Earth as the setting. They should have made the series as a
    general fantasy series that was influenced by Tolkien, but
    not an actual Middle Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official
    setting the series might not have attracted as many viewers...
    although now, a lot will switch off before the end of the
    season anyway.

    Fewer viewers vs lower production costs, starting with $250
    million for the rights.

    Also less interference by the current Tolkien license holders
    (the grandson was involved in the TV show, but had no say in the
    Peter Jackson films).

    Yeah, the rights the films were based on were sold decades ago. Which
    is why the TV show is so limited in what it can use. (One of the
    lawyers - who specializes in this sort of thing - said it was the
    most complicated contracts he's ever seen.)

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Sep 10 04:01:30 2022
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in news:tfh1il$19cm6$1@dont-email.me:

    On 9/9/2022 7:05 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-09-10 00:19:56 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
    news:tffb19$e9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to
    Rings of Power is that they should never have used Middle
    Earth as the setting. They should have made the series as a
    general fantasy series that was influenced by Tolkien, but
    not an actual Middle Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official
    setting the series might not have attracted as many
    viewers... although now, a lot will switch off before the end
    of the season anyway.

    Fewer viewers vs lower production costs, starting with $250
    million for the rights.

    Also less interference by the current Tolkien license holders
    (the grandson was involved in the TV show, but had no say in
    the Peter Jackson films).

    The Jackson films were okay'd by JRRT's son who was already very
    old.

    He may have OK's them, but his OK wasn't in any way needed.

    Plus, Christopher hated the movies from day one.

    https://www.indiewire.com/2013/01/christopher-tolkien-trashes- peter-jacksons-lord-of-the-rings-says-films-lack-beauty-and- seriousness-of-the-books-102485/

    https://tinyurl.com/4fvvbjvu

    He had always been VERY careful about his father's legacy
    and was not approving Middle Earth projects very often.

    The problem being, his father sold the movie rights long ago, and
    had no say in the movies.

    When
    the son retired the next generation of Tolkiens gained control
    and they very much want to cash in. They are the ones who gave
    permission for 'Rings of Power'.

    And many speculate that the main reason Christopher objected to the
    movies was that he didn't get any cash payments for rights he no
    longer controlled.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ninapenda Jibini on Sat Sep 10 16:46:42 2022
    On 2022-09-10 04:01:30 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in news:tfh1il$19cm6$1@dont-email.me:
    On 9/9/2022 7:05 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-09-10 00:19:56 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
    news:tffb19$e9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to
    Rings of Power is that they should never have used Middle
    Earth as the setting. They should have made the series as a
    general fantasy series that was influenced by Tolkien, but
    not an actual Middle Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official
    setting the series might not have attracted as many
    viewers... although now, a lot will switch off before the end
    of the season anyway.

    Fewer viewers vs lower production costs, starting with $250
    million for the rights.

    Also less interference by the current Tolkien license holders
    (the grandson was involved in the TV show, but had no say in
    the Peter Jackson films).

    The Jackson films were okay'd by JRRT's son who was already very
    old.

    He may have OK's them, but his OK wasn't in any way needed.

    Plus, Christopher hated the movies from day one.

    https://www.indiewire.com/2013/01/christopher-tolkien-trashes- peter-jacksons-lord-of-the-rings-says-films-lack-beauty-and- seriousness-of-the-books-102485/

    https://tinyurl.com/4fvvbjvu

    He had always been VERY careful about his father's legacy
    and was not approving Middle Earth projects very often.

    The problem being, his father sold the movie rights long ago, and
    had no say in the movies.

    When
    the son retired the next generation of Tolkiens gained control
    and they very much want to cash in. They are the ones who gave
    permission for 'Rings of Power'.

    And many speculate that the main reason Christopher objected to the
    movies was that he didn't get any cash payments for rights he no
    longer controlled.

    Yep. The Tolkien Estate was paid a rather measley amount for the movie
    rights and didn't get any share in the profits, but that was their
    choice at the time. It's a little like George Lucas retaining the
    merchandise rights for Star Wars, so in hindsight the studio lost out
    on *a lot* of money.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Sep 10 16:41:44 2022
    On 2022-09-10 03:50:46 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:

    On 9/9/2022 7:05 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-09-10 00:19:56 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
    news:tffb19$e9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to
    Rings of Power is that they should never have used Middle Earth
    as the setting. They should have made the series as a general
    fantasy series that was influenced by Tolkien, but not an
    actual Middle Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official
    setting the series might not have attracted as many viewers...
    although now, a lot will switch off before the end of the season
    anyway.

    Fewer viewers vs lower production costs, starting with $250 million
    for the rights.

    Also less interference by the current Tolkien license holders (the
    grandson was involved in the TV show, but had no say in the Peter
    Jackson films).

    The Jackson films were okay'd by JRRT's son who was already very old.
    He had always been VERY careful about his father's legacy and was not approving Middle Earth projects very often. When the son retired the
    next generation of Tolkiens gained control and they very much want to
    cash in. They are the ones who gave permission for 'Rings of Power'.

    Tolkien's son, Christopher Tolkien, didn't even *like* Peter Jackson's
    movies, let alone "okay'd" them. The movie rights were sold off
    completely, and the family had no say in anything about the movies. The
    TV rights are very different though, with the family retaining overall
    control.

    Christopher Tolkien Trashes Peter Jackson's 'Lord Of The Rings,'
    Says Films Lack "Beauty And Seriousness" Of The Books

    "They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for
    young people aged 15 to 25," Christopher said of "The Lord Of
    The Rings," revealing he turned down an invitation to meet
    Jackson. "And it seems that 'The Hobbit' will be the same
    kind of film." And while most families of authors would be
    thrilled to be associated with a billion dollar franchise
    (even if, in this case, they only get a small portion of that
    coin), as Christopher's son notes, that's not the case here.

    "Normally, the executors of the estate want to promote a work
    as much as they can," Adam Tolkien said. "But we are just the
    opposite. We want to put the spotlight on that which is not
    'Lord of the Rings.' "


    <https://www.indiewire.com/2013/01/christopher-tolkien-trashes-peter-jacksons-lord-of-the-rings-says-films-lack-beauty-and-seriousness-of-the-books-102485/>

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat Sep 10 13:47:31 2022
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in
    news:tfh4rh$1p3p$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 2022-09-10 04:01:30 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
    news:tfh1il$19cm6$1@dont-email.me:
    On 9/9/2022 7:05 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-09-10 00:19:56 +0000, Ninapenda Jibini said:
    "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
    news:tffb19$e9f$1@gioia.aioe.org:
    Cheesy Quackers wrote:

    One of the best arguments that I have heard in relation to
    Rings of Power is that they should never have used Middle
    Earth as the setting. They should have made the series as
    a general fantasy series that was influenced by Tolkien,
    but not an actual Middle Earth story.

    That might have worked, but without the 'name' and official
    setting the series might not have attracted as many
    viewers... although now, a lot will switch off before the
    end of the season anyway.

    Fewer viewers vs lower production costs, starting with $250
    million for the rights.

    Also less interference by the current Tolkien license holders
    (the grandson was involved in the TV show, but had no say in
    the Peter Jackson films).

    The Jackson films were okay'd by JRRT's son who was already
    very old.

    He may have OK's them, but his OK wasn't in any way needed.

    Plus, Christopher hated the movies from day one.

    https://www.indiewire.com/2013/01/christopher-tolkien-trashes-
    peter-jacksons-lord-of-the-rings-says-films-lack-beauty-and-
    seriousness-of-the-books-102485/

    https://tinyurl.com/4fvvbjvu

    He had always been VERY careful about his father's legacy
    and was not approving Middle Earth projects very often.

    The problem being, his father sold the movie rights long ago,
    and had no say in the movies.

    When
    the son retired the next generation of Tolkiens gained control
    and they very much want to cash in. They are the ones who
    gave permission for 'Rings of Power'.

    And many speculate that the main reason Christopher objected to
    the movies was that he didn't get any cash payments for rights
    he no longer controlled.

    Yep. The Tolkien Estate was paid a rather measley amount for the
    movie rights and didn't get any share in the profits, but that
    was their choice at the time.

    Apparently, J.R.R. needed the money at the time to "pay a tax
    bill." (It wasn't the estate that sold the rights, it was the old
    man himself, in 1969, in a deal with United Artists. The amount
    I've seen is $100,000, which was a lot more than than it is now,
    but still less than it really should have been.)

    It's a little like George Lucas
    retaining the merchandise rights for Star Wars, so in hindsight
    the studio lost out on *a lot* of money.

    I'm crying crocodile tears for them. No, really.

    --
    Terry Austin

    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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