Hi all,
this is a sort of continuation from my last post

'Installing Mageia 7 on new system'

That tread ended with a heated discussion between Bitwister and William
who were debating on my probably unclear and irritating ( because of my ignorance...) questions...

I could not possibly interfere with that discussion...now that I have recovered almost fully from a very debilitating fever ( Scrb Typhus ) I caught beginning of February, I had the energy to download and install
Mageia 8...

I am happy that what I wanted it actually happened...

I followed William suggestion to keep 30GB free for M8 during Mageia 7 installation.

So now when entered Custom disk partitioning I clicked on the free 30GB
and selected / as mount point. I had 8GB swap which I reallocated to swap Mageia8, reallocated 14GB to /usr/local and reallocated all the rest
to /home.
My fear was that the programs I had installed ( a Go game program to play
and watch Go games online ) and other files and documents in Mageia7
/home would be overwritten thus loosing everything when installing
Mageia8 instead everything is there ...
the /home I had in Mageia7 is in Mageia 8...
:-)

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:22:18 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

Hi all,
this is a sort of continuation from my last post

'Installing Mageia 7 on new system'

That tread ended with a heated discussion between Bitwister and William
who were debating on my probably unclear and irritating ( because of my ignorance...) questions...

Please never feel bad/upset about the questions you ask or your skill
level. Nobody is is born knowing everything.

I could not possibly interfere with that discussion...now that I have recovered almost fully from a very debilitating fever ( Scrb Typhus ) I caught beginning of February, I had the energy to download and install Mageia 8...

I am happy that what I wanted it actually happened...

I followed William suggestion to keep 30GB free for M8 during Mageia 7 installation.

So now when entered Custom disk partitioning I clicked on the free 30GB
and selected / as mount point. I had 8GB swap which I reallocated to swap Mageia8, reallocated 14GB to /usr/local and reallocated all the rest
to /home.
My fear was that the programs I had installed ( a Go game program to play
and watch Go games online ) and other files and documents in Mageia7
/home would be overwritten thus loosing everything when installing
Mageia8 instead everything is there ...
the /home I had in Mageia7 is in Mageia 8...
:-)

I am curious about what Display Environment you are using. Please
provide the output from the following command
env | grep XDG_


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On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:53:28 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:22:18 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

Hi all,
this is a sort of continuation from my last post

'Installing Mageia 7 on new system'

I am curious about what Display Environment you are using. Please
provide the output from the following command
env | grep XDG_

[santo@localhost ~]$ env | grep XDG_
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0
XDG_MENU_PREFIX=xfce-
XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/santo/.config
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/santo
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0 XDG_CACHE_HOME=/home/santo/.cache
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
XDG_VTNR=1
XDG_SESSION_ID=3
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/local/share:/usr/share
[santo@localhost ~]$

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:38:08 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:53:28 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:22:18 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

Hi all,
this is a sort of continuation from my last post

'Installing Mageia 7 on new system'

I am curious about what Display Environment you are using. Please
provide the output from the following command
env | grep XDG_

[santo@localhost ~]$ env | grep XDG_
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0 XDG_MENU_PREFIX=xfce-
XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/santo/.config
XDG_SEAT=seat0
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm-data/santo
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0 XDG_CACHE_HOME=/home/santo/.cache
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
XDG_VTNR=1
XDG_SESSION_ID=3
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/local/share:/usr/share
[santo@localhost ~]$

Ok, thank you. Reason I asked was booting mga8 with a shared /home
with mga7 can cause Display Environment problems.

Like you I run xfce and new xfce release asks you to delete
~/.config/xfce4
~/.config/Thunar
which are where your desktop settings are stored. Run
cat /usr/share/doc/mageia-xfce-config/README.update.urpmi

Since you chose to have a shared /usr/local partition you may have
other problems with xfce.

If you have xfce Desktop Environment problems, my recommendation would
be to log out of santo, get to a root prompt and
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/xfce4
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/Thunar
rm -fr /home/santo/.cache
then log into santo. You would then have to redo all your xfce settings.



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On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:57:09 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:38:08 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:53:28 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

Like you I run xfce ...

Yes, I tried it with Mageia 7 and was very happy with it...I wondered why
I did not use it before...

and new xfce release asks you to delete
~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/Thunar
which are where your desktop settings are stored. Run
cat /usr/share/doc/mageia-xfce-config/README.update.urpmi

When it say ' NOT to forget to backup those two directories' I am in a fix...do not really know what to do ...also why back up directories I am
asked to delete?

If you have xfce Desktop Environment problems,
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/xfce4
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/Thunar
rm -fr /home/santo/.cache
then log into santo. You would then have to redo all your xfce settings.

So far I did not have any type of problem so I am a bit scared to do
something which may lead to something above my level like ...'redo all my
xfce settings...'

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On 2021-03-20, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:57:09 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:38:08 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:53:28 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

Like you I run xfce ...

Yes, I tried it with Mageia 7 and was very happy with it...I wondered why
I did not use it before...

and new xfce release asks you to delete
~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/Thunar
which are where your desktop settings are stored. Run
cat /usr/share/doc/mageia-xfce-config/README.update.urpmi

When it say ' NOT to forget to backup those two directories' I am in a fix...do not really know what to do ...also why back up directories I am asked to delete?

a) So you can look at their contents to figure out what you configured
in Mga7 to duplicate in Mga8.
b) To be able to recover from that erasure in case you want to/need to.

If you have xfce Desktop Environment problems,
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/xfce4
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/Thunar
rm -fr /home/santo/.cache
then log into santo. You would then have to redo all your xfce settings.

So far I did not have any type of problem so I am a bit scared to do something which may lead to something above my level like ...'redo all my xfce settings...'

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:56:17 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:57:09 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:38:08 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:53:28 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

Like you I run xfce ...

Yes, I tried it with Mageia 7 and was very happy with it...I wondered why
I did not use it before...

and new xfce release asks you to delete
~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/Thunar
which are where your desktop settings are stored. Run
cat /usr/share/doc/mageia-xfce-config/README.update.urpmi

When it say ' NOT to forget to backup those two directories' I am in a fix...do not really know what to do ...also why back up directories I am asked to delete?

I hear where you are coming from there. Normally your backup is for/to
restore files you need restoring.

Had you done an upgrade from mga7 to mga8 you would have seen the message. Since you did a clean install, you were not told what aught to be done.

If you have xfce Desktop Environment problems,
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/xfce4
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/Thunar
rm -fr /home/santo/.cache
then log into santo. You would then have to redo all your xfce settings.

So far I did not have any type of problem

which if not visible so far. :)
I expect you may have complaints found in ~/.xsession-errors. I have
$ wc -l .xsession-errors
369 .xsession-errors
Which I have not looked into yet, even though I did the deletion as
described.

so I am a bit scared to do
something which may lead to something above my level like ...'redo all my xfce settings...'

That is an understandable worry for lots of people who do not document
what changes they make to what/how/where/old/new values.

It gets them into worse trouble when someone tells them to just restore configuration files from backups. Old release configuration files may
not be compatible with new application releases. :(

What you can do is create a test account, say junk, log into junk and
do things that you normally do in santo. If junk does not look/act the
same as santo, then you get to hunt down what to change where to make
junk look/feel/work the same as santo.

If you document those changes then you now have the knowledge and experience for santo maintenance.

For example I run with eight desktop/workspaces and want screens to have
focus when mouse is over screen of choice. I also want to have pop up
messages under the mouse pointer rather than in center of display.
Those kinds of changes have to done in different places depending on application.

Since I document the Desktop Environment it makes it easy to give help
to users wanting/needing help. Focus example

$ uxfce focus
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager->Focus->
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager->Focus->Focus model [ ] Click to focus set [x] Focus follows mouse
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager->Focus->New windows Focus xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager->Focus->[x] Automatically give focus to newly created windows
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager->Focus->Raise on focus xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager->Focus->[x] Automatically raise windows when they receive focus
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager->Focus->Raise on click xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager->Focus->[x] Raise window when clicking inside application window
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager Tweaks->Focus-> xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager Tweaks->Focus->[x] Activate focus stealing prevention
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager Tweaks->Focus->[x] Honor standard ICCCM focus hint
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager Tweaks->Focus->When a window raises itself:
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager Tweaks->Focus->[ ] Bring window on current workspace
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager Tweaks->Focus->[ ] Switch to windows's workspace set [x]
xfce4-settings-manager->Window Manager Tweaks->Focus->[ ] Do nothing Xfce:_Core_components Xfwm4: The Xfce window manager that draws decorations (borders and title bar) around windows, controls the placement and behavior of windows, and governs how keyboard and mouse focus behaves in the desktop environment.

I suggest to you that you need to play around in a test account to
gain experience with what does what where. It is very easy to reset the
test account to a day one setup and start playing around again.


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On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:06:18 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:56:17 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:57:09 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:38:08 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:53:28 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

If you have xfce Desktop Environment problems,
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/xfce4 rm -fr /home/santo/.config/Thunar
rm -fr /home/santo/.cache then log into santo. You would then have to
redo all your xfce settings.

So I logged in as junk...tried to run the above commands but was getting
error message that I did not have permission even though ls -l showed

[junk@localhost .config]$
....
....
drwxr-xr-x 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:25 Thunar/
drwxrwxr-x 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:23 Thunar.bak/
drwxrwxr-x 7 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:25 xfce4/
drwxrwxr-x 7 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:24 xfce4.bak/
so I logged in as root and deleted using the commands you gave...then
logged out and in again and those directories are again there...

Puzzling...what is it I do not understand?

[junk@localhost .config]$ ls -al
total 56
drwxrwxr-x 12 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 09:13 ./
drwxr-x--- 18 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 09:20 ../
drwx------ 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:20 dconf/
drwx------ 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:20 gconf/
drwx------ 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 09:20 gtk-3.0/
drwxrwxr-x 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:20 Mageia/
drwx------ 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:26 Mousepad/
drwx------ 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:20 pulse/
drwxr-xr-x 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:25 Thunar/
drwxrwxr-x 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:23 Thunar.bak/
-rw------- 1 junk junk 598 Mar 21 07:20 user-dirs.dirs
-rw-rw-r-- 1 junk junk 5 Mar 21 07:20 user-dirs.locale
drwxrwxr-x 7 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:25 xfce4/
drwxrwxr-x 7 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:24 xfce4.bak/


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On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:56:45 +0000 (UTC), junk wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:06:18 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:56:17 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:57:09 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:38:08 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:53:28 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

If you have xfce Desktop Environment problems,
rm -fr /home/santo/.config/xfce4 rm -fr /home/santo/.config/Thunar
rm -fr /home/santo/.cache then log into santo. You would then have to
redo all your xfce settings.

So I logged in as junk...tried to run the above commands but was getting error message that I did not have permission even though ls -l showed

yeah, I can image what that problem is. An addition problem is also caused
by doing the commands as junk. Logging out of junk can cause the directories and some files to be re-created. :(

[junk@localhost .config]$
...
...
drwxr-xr-x 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:25 Thunar/
drwxrwxr-x 2 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:23 Thunar.bak/
drwxrwxr-x 7 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:25 xfce4/
drwxrwxr-x 7 junk junk 4096 Mar 21 07:24 xfce4.bak/
so I logged in as root and deleted using the commands you gave...then
logged out and in again and those directories are again there...

Puzzling...what is it I do not understand?

You might have gotten a clue by looking at the time stamp. :)

When you log in, xfce tries to read the config directories for configuration files. If they do not exist, they are created and then you get the working desktop and mouse operation.


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On 3/20/21 2:06 PM, Bit Twister wrote:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:56:17 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

so I am a bit scared to do
something which may lead to something above my level like ...'redo all my
xfce settings...'

That is an understandable worry for lots of people who do not document
what changes they make to what/how/where/old/new values.

It gets them into worse trouble when someone tells them to just restore configuration files from backups. Old release configuration files may
not be compatible with new application releases. :(

This is quite common in Plasma, too. It's Mageia's policy to avoid
changing the user's settings with an update. The friendly folks at KDE -
not so much. They have been known to have an update change where they
put a setting for an app, or just put them back to the defaults.

There have been at least a couple of those in going from Mageia 7's
Plasma to Mageia 8. I would definitely NOT advise that a Plasma user concurrently use the same /home for both a Mageia 7 install and a Mageia
8 install.

TJ


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