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    From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Tue Jun 13 01:56:31 2023
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    I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
    efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com

    Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great services
    of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and Google.

    Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
    discussion lists?

    - --
    Abraços
    Gilberto F da Silva
    Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
    Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
    Desktop:
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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Tue Jun 13 15:27:07 2023
    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
    I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
    efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com

    Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great services
    of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and Google.

    Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
    discussion lists?

    No. The discussion lists work well for most of the uses.

    Due to abusers trying to take over packagers accounts, Mageia had to ensure only the sysadmins can change an email address for anyone who has the privilege of being allowed to implement changes in the Mageia packages, documentation, etc., and only once they are convinced the request is coming from the person controlling the old email address.

    Switching to an alternate system not controlled by Mageia would put the security
    of all Mageia users at risk. It would also require changes to things like bugzilla, which is the standard bug reporting/tracking tool used by many linux distributions and open source projects.

    Did you post the email change request to the sysadmin-discuss mailing list as advised?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 14 02:36:40 2023
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    David W. Hodgins escreveu:
    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
    I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
    efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
    in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com

    Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
    services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
    Google.

    Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
    discussion lists?

    No. The discussion lists work well for most of the uses.

    Due to abusers trying to take over packagers accounts, Mageia had
    to ensure only the sysadmins can change an email address for anyone
    who has the privilege of being allowed to implement changes in the
    Mageia packages, documentation, etc., and only once they are
    convinced the request is coming from the person controlling the old
    email address.

    Spam. This is something that bothered me. Currently, I don't care
    much. If I don't care, I just delete it. I don't even like the ISP's
    anti-spam filters because some things get filtered wrongly. On
    Telegram, there are also random people always wanting to apply scams
    using cryptocurrencies.

    - --
    Abraços
    Gilberto F da Silva
    Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
    Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
    Desktop:
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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 14 02:53:59 2023
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    David W. Hodgins escreveu:
    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
    I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
    efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
    in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com

    Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
    services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
    Google.

    Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
    discussion lists?

    No. The discussion lists work well for most of the uses.

    I find the method of subscribing to the list to be a bit complicated and I believe it might put someone off who might be considering using
    the distribution.

    The option to send an email to
    sympa@ml.mageia.org with subject SUB dev
    does not work.

    - --
    Abraços
    Gilberto F da Silva
    Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
    Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
    Desktop:
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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 14 03:11:12 2023
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    David W. Hodgins escreveu:
    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
    I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
    efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
    in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com

    Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
    services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
    Google.

    Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
    discussion lists?

    Switching to an alternate system not controlled by Mageia would put
    the security of all Mageia users at risk. It would also require
    changes to things like bugzilla, which is the standard bug
    reporting/tracking tool used by many linux distributions and open
    source projects.

    On that same computer I have two other distributions installed (Slackware and openSUSE). Both have groups on Telegram. I don't
    remember reading anything about risks in them. Off topic subjects
    appear but nothing that prevents the use of the group.

    - --
    Abraços
    Gilberto F da Silva
    Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
    Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
    Desktop:
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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 14 03:25:15 2023
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    David W. Hodgins escreveu:
    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
    I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
    efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
    in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com

    Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
    services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
    Google.

    Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
    discussion lists?


    Did you post the email change request to the sysadmin-discuss
    mailing list as advised?

    You've said several times that there's a shortage of people to work
    on distribution. So the chances of changing things in the distribution
    are slim. I made changes to the mutt settings to redirect mail from
    lists to another box and reconfigured the smtp server.


    - --
    Abraços
    Gilberto F da Silva
    Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
    Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
    Desktop:
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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Wed Jun 14 04:20:06 2023
    On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 22:25:15 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

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    David W. Hodgins escreveu:
    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
    I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
    efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
    in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com

    Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
    services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
    Google.

    Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
    discussion lists?


    Did you post the email change request to the sysadmin-discuss
    mailing list as advised?

    You've said several times that there's a shortage of people to work
    on distribution. So the chances of changing things in the distribution
    are slim. I made changes to the mutt settings to redirect mail from
    lists to another box and reconfigured the smtp server.

    I'm not saying to contact the sysadmins to change the system. I'm saying
    to contact them to get the email address associated with your identity
    changed at identity.mageia.org

    Regarding the spam, we still regularly have people create accounts just
    so they can post spam to bugzilla. The purpose of that spam is to have
    the number of references for some website increase, in an attempt at
    search engine optimization. For example see https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25020#c12
    If you click on the + at the right side of the comment, you can still
    see the spam that was posted.

    We disable the account and mask the spam comments, and monitor every bug
    report comment.

    The account take over attempts that caused the restrictions on changing
    email addresses for privileged identities were likely part of a failed
    attempt to add malware to the Mageia repositories.

    While the restrictions are annoying, they became a necessary extra layer
    of security.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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