I have just found IsoDumper in MCC under System > writing ISO images

I deliberately installed IsoDumper some months ago because it wasn't in
the Start Menu System Tools.

So has it always been in MCC or only because I installed it ?

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On 2025-03-14 23:24, faeychild wrote:

I have just found IsoDumper  in MCC under System > writing ISO images

I deliberately installed IsoDumper  some months ago because it wasn't in the Start Menu System Tools.

So has it always been in MCC or only because I installed it ?

It appears as an option the next time you run MCC after installing it.
It's handy for formatting usb drives as well as dumping ISOs.

TJ

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 23:24:07 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

I have just found IsoDumper in MCC under System > writing ISO images

I deliberately installed IsoDumper some months ago because it wasn't in
the Start Menu System Tools.

So has it always been in MCC or only because I installed it ?

Testing confirms it's only shown in mcc/system if it has been installed.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 16/3/25 03:57, David W. Hodgins wrote:

Testing confirms it's only shown  in mcc/system if it has been installed.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Thanks TJ Dave that was my suspicion

Dave ! If you actually installed + checked and uninstalled + checked,
you are displaying dedication above and beyond

Regards
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On 16/3/25 03:49, TJ wrote:

It appears as an option the next time you run MCC after installing it.
It's handy for formatting usb drives as well as dumping ISOs.

TJ

On the odd and infrequent occasions that it gets used, it's stunningly useful
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On 2025-03-15 17:29, faeychild wrote:

On 16/3/25 03:57, David W. Hodgins wrote:

Testing confirms it's only shown  in mcc/system if it has been installed. >>
Regards, Dave Hodgins

Thanks TJ Dave that was my suspicion

Dave ! If you actually installed + checked and uninstalled + checked,
you are displaying dedication above and beyond

Regards

I started with a VirtualBox Mageia 9 guest that didn't have Isodumper installed. Checked MCC before installing, not there. Checked after
installing through MCC but before closing it, still not there. Closed
MCC, opened it again, and there it was.

TJ

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On 16/3/25 11:04, TJ wrote:

I started with a VirtualBox Mageia 9 guest that didn't have Isodumper installed. Checked MCC before installing, not there. Checked after installing through MCC but before closing it, still not there. Closed
MCC, opened it again, and there it was.

TJ

I wonder what other tools operate this way?

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:23:39 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 16/3/25 11:04, TJ wrote:

I started with a VirtualBox Mageia 9 guest that didn't have Isodumper
installed. Checked MCC before installing, not there. Checked after
installing through MCC but before closing it, still not there. Closed
MCC, opened it again, and there it was.

TJ

I wonder what other tools operate this way?

Any program that isn't installed from the list shown by
grep binary /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/MDV/Control_Center.pm

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 17/3/25 09:40, David W. Hodgins wrote:

On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:23:39 -0400, faeychild
<faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 16/3/25 11:04, TJ wrote:

I started with a VirtualBox Mageia 9 guest that didn't have Isodumper
installed. Checked MCC before installing, not there. Checked after
installing through MCC but before closing it, still not there. Closed
MCC, opened it again, and there it was.

TJ

I wonder what other tools  operate this way?

Any program that isn't installed from the list shown by
grep binary /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/MDV/Control_Center.pm

Regards, Dave Hodgins

WOW a throw away question, I'm already over my head.
Which is taking less and less these days
Thanks Dave
Regards

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On 2025-03-16, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:23:39 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 16/3/25 11:04, TJ wrote:

I started with a VirtualBox Mageia 9 guest that didn't have Isodumper
installed. Checked MCC before installing, not there. Checked after
installing through MCC but before closing it, still not there. Closed
MCC, opened it again, and there it was.

TJ

I wonder what other tools operate this way?

Any program that isn't installed from the list shown by
grep binary /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/MDV/Control_Center.pm

Confusing grammer.
I think you meant

An program from the list shown by
grep binary /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/MDV/Control_Center.pm
that isn't installed.

Ie, the subordinate clause modifies "program" not "installed".

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On 20/3/25 02:47, William Unruh wrote:

Ie, the subordinate clause modifies "program" not "installed".

OH GOD William memories resurfacing. I was starting to forget all
that stuff. subordinate nominative accusative etc..
These days I have to stop and think when I come across cardinal ordinal number. Which is which
And when someone says "He told jack and I". I tell myself to walk
away, just walk away

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On 2025-03-19, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 20/3/25 02:47, William Unruh wrote:

Ie, the subordinate clause modifies "program" not "installed".

OH GOD William memories resurfacing. I was starting to forget all
that stuff. subordinate nominative accusative etc..
These days I have to stop and think when I come across cardinal ordinal number. Which is which
And when someone says "He told jack and I". I tell myself to walk
away, just walk away

The problem was I had to think about his sentence about 3 min before I understood what he really meant. It made no sense to me as stated.
("I" used as the dative makes me shudder as well, but at least it is
relatively easily understandable.Although if I see a subject I being used as the recipient
of the action (told) I keep wondering what that you ("I") are doing)
The purpose of good grammer is not to follow
rules, but to make things easily understood. You may then agree or
disagree with the statement, but at least you know what you are agreeing
or disagreeing with.

Would "He told Jack and my" be OK?


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On 2025-03-19 22:42, William Unruh wrote:

On 2025-03-19, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 20/3/25 02:47, William Unruh wrote:

Ie, the subordinate clause modifies "program" not "installed".

OH GOD William memories resurfacing. I was starting to forget all
that stuff. subordinate nominative accusative etc..
These days I have to stop and think when I come across cardinal ordinal
number. Which is which
And when someone says "He told jack and I". I tell myself to walk
away, just walk away

The problem was I had to think about his sentence about 3 min before I understood what he really meant. It made no sense to me as stated.
("I" used as the dative makes me shudder as well, but at least it is relatively easily understandable.Although if I see a subject I being used as the recipient
of the action (told) I keep wondering what that you ("I") are doing)
The purpose of good grammer is not to follow
rules, but to make things easily understood. You may then agree or
disagree with the statement, but at least you know what you are agreeing
or disagreeing with.

Would "He told Jack and my" be OK?

Sure, as long as something was following "my."

my brother
my friend
my worst enemy (Maybe not that one. Depends on what he told them.)

TJ

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On 20/3/25 13:42, William Unruh wrote:

Would "He told Jack and my" be OK?

And then I would think "Jack and my (what)"

All that clause, phrase, dative, possessive, nominative, accusative,
etc.. has gone out of my head.

I've checked Google several times recently, "semi-colon vs colon" and I
still don't remember exactly.

It doesn't stick in my head to much anymore.
I seem to have made the effort, once, to learn English grammar, only to
find that few of my peers bothered.

Punctuation can also be fraught

Regards

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On 2025-03-20, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

On 2025-03-19 22:42, William Unruh wrote:

On 2025-03-19, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 20/3/25 02:47, William Unruh wrote:

Ie, the subordinate clause modifies "program" not "installed".

OH GOD William memories resurfacing. I was starting to forget all
that stuff. subordinate nominative accusative etc..
These days I have to stop and think when I come across cardinal ordinal
number. Which is which
And when someone says "He told jack and I". I tell myself to walk
away, just walk away

The problem was I had to think about his sentence about 3 min before I
understood what he really meant. It made no sense to me as stated.
("I" used as the dative makes me shudder as well, but at least it is
relatively easily understandable.Although if I see a subject I being used as the recipient
of the action (told) I keep wondering what that you ("I") are doing)
The purpose of good grammer is not to follow
rules, but to make things easily understood. You may then agree or
disagree with the statement, but at least you know what you are agreeing
or disagreeing with.

Would "He told Jack and my" be OK?

Sure, as long as something was following "my."

Nope. "my" is the end of the sentence. It is simply being used as a
synonym for "me", just as "I" was in the above sentence.

my brother
my friend
my worst enemy (Maybe not that one. Depends on what he told them.)

TJ

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On 2025-03-20, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 20/3/25 13:42, William Unruh wrote:

Would "He told Jack and my" be OK?

And then I would think "Jack and my (what)"

All that clause, phrase, dative, possessive, nominative, accusative,
etc.. has gone out of my head.

I've checked Google several times recently, "semi-colon vs colon" and I still don't remember exactly.

It doesn't stick in my head to much anymore.
I seem to have made the effort, once, to learn English grammar, only to
find that few of my peers bothered.

Read lots of well written books. If the sentence confuses you, the
grammer is probably wrong.

Punctuation can also be fraught

My wife is a stickler for hyphens, to help clarify the relationship
between words in a sentence.

Regards

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 07:07:34 +1100, faeychild wrote:

I've checked Google several times recently, "semi-colon vs colon" and I still don't remember exactly.

A semi-colon has one . in it, and you can change the
semi-colon to a period. You have a complete sentence.

Capitalize the first word left. You have a second
complete sentence.

They should be about the same thing in some way.

A colon is followed by a list about whatever
precedes it. The list can be one or more words,
phrases, or other longer chunks of wordage.

Cheers!

jim b.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 00:07:10 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

Read lots of well written books. If the sentence confuses you, the
grammer is probably wrong.

I've have a problem that has existed since I started writing as a child. When I proofread
my own writing, I tend to see what I know I should have written instead of what I actually
wrote.

The workaround of writing, work on something else, then go back and proofread the writing
doesn't work when I write messages and send them right away, as I tend to do with usenet
and mailing lists.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 2025-03-20 16:07, faeychild wrote:

And then I would think "Jack and my (what)"

Makes me think of advertising. "Every time I hear a product "contains
MORE (good stuff)" I think, "More than what?"

TJ

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On 21/3/25 15:07, William Unruh wrote:

Read lots of well written books. If the sentence confuses you, the
grammer is probably wrong.

Agreed

Punctuation can also be fraught

My wife is a stickler for hyphens, to help clarify the relationship
between words in a sentence.

Oh Yes hyphens Big trap, and to tread warily with apostrophe S for
possessive nouns. Some time it's a bit vague.

WE have veered wildly off topic, my fault I think!
I'm sure there is a grammar newsgroup I should be on

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On 22/3/25 03:02, David W. Hodgins wrote:

On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 00:07:10 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

Read lots of well written books. If the sentence confuses you, the
grammer is probably wrong.

I've have a problem that has existed since I started writing as a child. When I proofread
my own writing, I tend to see what I know I should have written instead
of what I actually
wrote.

You are not alone there, DAvid

The workaround of writing, work on something else, then go back and proofread the writing
doesn't work when I write messages and send them right away, as I tend
to do with usenet
and mailing lists.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 22/3/25 07:09, TJ wrote:

On 2025-03-20 16:07, faeychild wrote:

And then I would think "Jack and my (what)"

Makes me think of advertising. "Every time I hear a product "contains
MORE (good stuff)" I think, "More than what?"

TJ

TJ you have just triggered another one

Brighter than, cleaner than, and how about spray cleaners "kills 99% of
all germs". great! so the kitchen bench top is taken over by the
unkillable one percent. Are they benign?

Supermarket express lanes, 12 items or less
No! it's 12 items or FEWER

A great amount of people
No! it's a LARGE NUMBER of people.

All of a sudden
No! it's just "suddenly "
No-one says all of a quick or all of a fast

And the standard 21's century dialog
"I was like yea, I mean, you know like I mean like you know like ...
The answer to any question starts with long "So", which gives the poor
bugger time to think
It's peer pressure, of course. It does save one from reasoning.

There is much more, but being the voice in the wilderness is futile.
And language is flexible and grammar does change. Try reading Chaucer

I may have to subscribe to the grammar newsgroup

regards

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On 2025-03-21, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 00:07:10 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

Read lots of well written books. If the sentence confuses you, the
grammer is probably wrong.

I've have a problem that has existed since I started writing as a child. When I proofread
my own writing, I tend to see what I know I should have written instead of what I actually
wrote.

The workaround of writing, work on something else, then go back and proofread the writing
doesn't work when I write messages and send them right away, as I tend to do with usenet
and mailing lists.

Sounds familiar. I tend to be the same way.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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late to this oldish thread

faeychild wrote:

I have just found IsoDumper  in MCC under System > writing ISO images

I deliberately installed IsoDumper  some months ago because it wasn't in the Start Menu System Tools.

So has it always been in MCC or only because I installed it ?

I'm new to this group for Mageia's isodumper.

When it didn't appear in the MCC RPMdrak for installation as I had
expected, I used the dnf install.

So, the RPMdrak isn't 'expected' to show packages in the repo/s but not
yet installed? That seems strange.



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Hello Mike!

08 May 25 00:19, Mike Easter wrote to all:

late to this oldish thread

faeychild wrote:

I have just found IsoDumper  in MCC under System > writing ISO
images

I deliberately installed IsoDumper  some months ago because it
wasn't in the Start Menu System Tools.

So has it always been in MCC or only because I installed it ?

I'm new to this group for Mageia's isodumper.

When it didn't appear in the MCC RPMdrak for installation as I had
expected, I used the dnf install.

So, the RPMdrak isn't 'expected' to show packages in the repo/s but
not yet installed? That seems strange.

isodumper is installed by default - at least according to my installation
as I did not do so manually.

Using the s/w management option via MCC and then isodumper it shows what
has been installed (or not) and use using MGA v9.



Vincent



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Vincent Coen wrote:

Mike Easter wrote to all:

> When it didn't appear in the MCC RPMdrak for installation as I had
> expected, I used the dnf install.

> So, the RPMdrak isn't 'expected' to show packages in the repo/s but
> not yet installed? That seems strange.

isodumper is installed by default - at least according to my installation
as I did not do so manually.

Using the s/w management option via MCC and then isodumper it shows what
has been installed (or not) and use using MGA v9.

Hi yourself :-)

That wasn't my experience. I wrote the Mag9XFCE to a Ventoy stick,
booted it and searched in the MCC RPMdrak for it. It wasn't there. From
a Mag wiki isodumper page I saw the instructions for dnf and so I used
that. There was clearly a significant installation going on, and after installation isodumper appeared in the menu and was able to run.

However, it could not 'do what I wanted' from that status because its
internal file manager could not access another connected device and I
couldn't 'see what was going on' later because the bottom of its window
was off-screen and the resizing function didn't work properly; it only
resized from side to side, not 'from the corner or the bottom' to bring
the bottom of the window onto the screen.

I don't mean to 'whine', I'm just relating my recent isodumper
experiences. In the end, I'm happy w/ the results; it worked as predicted.

My recollection is that Mag9KDE performed the same way, and since it is
still on the Ventoy stick I can boot it up again and check that later.


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Mike Easter wrote:

I'm just relating my recent isodumper experiences.

My story is developing inconsistent holes :-/

The current persistent Mag9XFCE has NOT had isodumper installed, BUT...
it DOES have both the qt and the gtk packages visible in RPMdrak from MCC.

I have no explanation for the inconsistencies of my different
experiences, but I'm not going to 'worry' about it; I may do a 'little'
bit more to try to figure it out.

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On 2025-05-08, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

Vincent Coen wrote:

Mike Easter wrote to all:

> When it didn't appear in the MCC RPMdrak for installation as I had
> expected, I used the dnf install.

> So, the RPMdrak isn't 'expected' to show packages in the repo/s but
> not yet installed? That seems strange.

isodumper is installed by default - at least according to my installation
as I did not do so manually.

Using the s/w management option via MCC and then isodumper it shows what
has been installed (or not) and use using MGA v9.

Hi yourself :-)

That wasn't my experience. I wrote the Mag9XFCE to a Ventoy stick,
booted it and searched in the MCC RPMdrak for it. It wasn't there. From
a Mag wiki isodumper page I saw the instructions for dnf and so I used
that. There was clearly a significant installation going on, and after installation isodumper appeared in the menu and was able to run.

However, it could not 'do what I wanted' from that status because its internal file manager could not access another connected device and I couldn't 'see what was going on' later because the bottom of its window
was off-screen and the resizing function didn't work properly; it only resized from side to side, not 'from the corner or the bottom' to bring
the bottom of the window onto the screen.

I don't mean to 'whine', I'm just relating my recent isodumper
experiences. In the end, I'm happy w/ the results; it worked as predicted.

My recollection is that Mag9KDE performed the same way, and since it is still on the Ventoy stick I can boot it up again and check that later.

So you booted with a live version of Mga9 (the XFCE version) ? Live versions are
truncated so as to fit on a small stick/memory, etc. It is far better to install a regular install of Mga.




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Mike Easter wrote:

I may do a 'little' bit more to try to figure it out.

Recapitulating the booting of Mag9KDE live from Ventoy; no isodumper in rpmdrak of MCC.

It doesn't make sense to me that rpmdrake shouldn't be able to see
everything in the repo/s whether the live is 'truncated' or not.

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Mike Easter wrote:

Recapitulating the booting of Mag9KDE live from Ventoy; no isodumper in rpmdrak of MCC.

It doesn't make sense to me that rpmdrake shouldn't be able to see everything in the repo/s whether the live is 'truncated' or not.

I've determined the deficiency to be in the (live) version of rpmdrake (perhaps only its search function).

Using the Mageia welcome function, install software offers rpmdrake
(which comes out of MCC) or dnfdragora; but clicking dnfdragora says
that it isn't available.

Then, using dnf install, I installed dnfdragora (just like I can install isodumper which doesn't 'show' in rpmdrake in Mag live from ventoy.

Then, using dnfdragor (in the live from Ventoy) and searching on
isodumper, I can see 6 entries 2 for each 1.55 & .56 (isodumper) and isodumper.gtk and isodumper.qt.

It is beyond my ken to be able to guess why rpmdrake running in live
can't 'see' all of the repo info. It /can/ see all of the repos in live persistence.

dnfdragora also shows me the 'organization' location of System/
Configuration/ for isodumpe, but if I use that organization in rpmdrake (ventoy live) I can NOT see isodumper.

From my experience w/ other graphical package manager search functions,
I find the ventoy live Mageia rpmdrake to be 'inconsistent' or
unconventional.

Maybe someone here understands whatever I'm misunderstanding.

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On 2025-05-08 12:03, Mike Easter wrote:

Hi yourself 🙂

That wasn't my experience. I wrote the Mag9XFCE to a Ventoy stick,
booted it and searched in the MCC RPMdrak for it.  It wasn't there. From
a Mag wiki isodumper page I saw the instructions for dnf and so I used that.  There was clearly a significant installation going on, and after installation isodumper appeared in the menu and was able to run.

However, it could not 'do what I wanted' from that status because its internal file manager could not access another connected device and I couldn't 'see what was going on' later because the bottom of its window
was off-screen and the resizing function didn't work properly; it only resized from side to side, not 'from the corner or the bottom' to bring
the bottom of the window onto the screen.

I don't mean to 'whine', I'm just relating my recent isodumper experiences.  In the end, I'm happy w/ the results; it worked as predicted.

When you boot from a Live iso into Live mode, the only repos (and
packages) available are the ones on the Live medium itself. To get
access to the rest of the distro's repos from MCC, you have to configure additional media sources from one of the online mirrors. The program to
do that is on the page that comes up when you run MCC. (You'll need to
have an operating Internet connection.)

When you run that, if you click on "Add" on the right side, you will be
guided through adding media called "Mirrorlist." This will attempt to
connect you with the mirror that is closest to you. Alternatively, if
you know of a reliable specific mirror, you can add that from the File
drop down menu.

Once that is done, then you'll be able to find and install isodumper. I
have next to no experience with dnf, but I believe the process is similar.

Please be aware that the Live isos were produced months ago, and there
have been hundreds of updates to Mageia 9 since then. Also be aware that anything you do while in Live mode (except installing somewhere) will be forgotten the next time you boot the Live medium - unless it was created
with isodumper to include a "persistence partition."

TJ

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TJ wrote:

When you boot from a Live iso into Live mode, the only repos (and
packages) available are the ones on the Live medium itself.

When I boot a live Mag iso into live mode and install dnfdragora I can
see plenty of isodumpers in the repo/s.

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On 2025-05-09 15:11, Mike Easter wrote:

TJ wrote:

When you boot from a Live iso into Live mode, the only repos (and
packages) available are the ones on the Live medium itself.

When I boot a live Mag iso into live mode and install dnfdragora I can
see plenty of isodumpers in the repo/s.

I did say "I have next to no experience with dnf, but I believe the
process is similar."

(Shrug.) So I'm wrong. Not the first time, won't be the last.

TJ

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TJ wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

TJ wrote:

When you boot from a Live iso into Live mode, the only repos (and
packages) available are the ones on the Live medium itself.

When I boot a live Mag iso into live mode and install dnfdragora I can
see plenty of isodumpers in the repo/s.

I did say "I have next to no experience with dnf, but I believe the
process is similar."

(Shrug.) So I'm wrong. Not the first time, won't be the last.

I'm still trying to figure out what goes wrong; so any kind of
datapoint, positive or negative is helpful.

Most of this has been about Mag XFCE, but KDE is actually the 'flagship'
so I'm going to do more with that next.

None of this has to do w/ conventional installs, so there's that.


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On 2025-05-09 18:30, Mike Easter wrote:

TJ wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

TJ wrote:

When you boot from a Live iso into Live mode, the only repos (and
packages) available are the ones on the Live medium itself.

When I boot a live Mag iso into live mode and install dnfdragora I
can see plenty of isodumpers in the repo/s.

I did say "I have next to no experience with dnf, but I believe the
process is similar."

(Shrug.) So I'm wrong. Not the first time, won't be the last.

I'm still trying to figure out what goes wrong; so any kind of
datapoint, positive or negative is helpful.

Most of this has been about Mag XFCE, but KDE is actually the 'flagship'
so I'm going to do more with that next.

None of this has to do w/ conventional installs, so there's that.

I described using MCC in the time-honored method that's been in use
since Mageia forked from Mandriva in 2011. It uses drakrpm (aka
rpmdrake) as a package manager, which in turn uses urpmi. Dnf and
dnfdragora came along later, but since I have used MCC with Mageia from
the beginning, and Mandriva before it, and Mandrake before that, it's
what I continue to use.

From your description, dnfdragora must configure a mirror when
installed. If you do a conventional install, be it from a Live iso, a
Classic iso, or the netinstall iso, there is a step that allows you to
do the same for MCC.

Actually, if doing a new conventional install this far along after the
release date, I tend to use the netinstall iso. It will take care of
getting the updates during the install. OF course, a reasonably fast
Internet connection is a must for that to work properly.

TJ

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Mike Easter wrote:

When I boot a live Mag iso into live mode and install dnfdragora I can
see plenty of isodumpers in the repo/s.

The KDE & XFCE rpmdrake live perform similarly. And when rpmdrake is
preparing to 'do something' such as search for isodumper, it 'announces'
that it is looking for *installed* packages (please wait finding
installed packages). I've looked in rpmdrake's configuration functions
and I can't see a way to change that which actually works.

In the KDE v, I'm adding media to rpmdrake (many of which have a .cz
domain) and now when I search it looks in both installed and *available* packages and then the search shows the various isodumpers as described
earlier numbering 6.

So, rpmdrake can be 'induced' to show isodumper by changing its 'native' behavior, but the default condition is only for installed packages.

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Mike Easter wrote:

I've looked in rpmdrake's configuration functions
and I can't see a way to change that which actually works.

Then I did.

In the KDE v, I'm adding media to rpmdrake (many of which have a .cz
domain) and now when I search it looks in both installed and *available* packages and then the search shows the various isodumpers as described earlier numbering 6.

Specifically, this is Options/ Media Manager/ (Configure media window)
Add/ (alert about contacting website to get mirror list) - and then
begins a litany of strange looking downloads after which I'm presented
w/ a long list of backports and updates, a few of which are checked by default. I didn't add any, but the OK result was that now rpmdrake was updating not only its installed packages, but also available packages.

Since most of my package manager experiences have been w/ synaptic, that
is what I would expect from the default condition, and that is also the default of dnfdragora.

So, rpmdrake can be 'induced' to show isodumper by changing its 'native' behavior, but the default condition is only for installed packages.

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