Hi all ( especially Bitwister )
I made a disater...Murphy got me so bad ( plus my stupidity also helped a lot...)

Trying to play around with the commands to change UID and GID I got so involved with it that I tried something on my own.

( Ahi dura terra , perche' non t'apristi?
Ah, cruel earth, why didst thou not swallow us up at once !
Dante , Inferno)

Do not know what I did wrong as I was just running always your
commands...but at some point when I wanted to start a new tread to just
say that I was not able to change uid nor gid and started Pan it just
would not start...from the command line I would get the following
message :

Munmap -chunk ()
Aborted ( core dump )

Worst Firefox also did not start anymore error message was :

Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded.It may be missing or inaccessible

tried all possible thing I could then the only option was to reinstall...

I just did everything same but because I was into that mood of changing
uid etc...when the time came to add a user I thought :
What if I cange to Santo2 and give 1000 as uid? and so I did...

( Ahi dura terra etc...)

this was a disaster... when I saw that my Desktop , Documents etc...were
all empty...thought I had lost everything I almost wanted to committ suicide...but jus before hanging myself I tried df

[santo@localhost ~]$ df
....
/dev/sda7 63G 57G 6.3G 90% /home
which tells me that all that was there is somehow still there...
through Dophin I manage to reach

file:///home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32

from where I can accecc at least my documents I was working on...now: #####################################################
if
... you are still willing to help me...

and

if
technically possible...

then

is there a way I can go back to that 'duplicate' at my Login?

fi

###################################################

All my games and other programs I use are there...plus other stuff I do
not seem to have permission to either open or copy...

Blushing TIA
Santo

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:33:55 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

Hi all ( especially Bitwister )
I made a disater...Murphy got me so bad ( plus my stupidity also helped a lot...)

I would say more ignorance than stupidity.

Trying to play around with the commands to change UID and GID I got so involved with it that I tried something on my own.

Heheh, hence the warning about writing down commands and checking before
using.

Do not know what I did wrong as I was just running always your
commands...but at some point when I wanted to start a new tread to just
say that I was not able to change uid nor gid and started Pan it just
would not start...from the command line I would get the following
message :

Munmap -chunk ()
Aborted ( core dump )

Worst Firefox also did not start anymore error message was :
Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded.It may be missing or inaccessible
tried all possible thing I could then the only option was to reinstall...

Oh, no. You forgot about logging into the test account junk.

I just did everything same but because I was into that mood of changing
uid etc...when the time came to add a user I thought :
What if I cange to Santo2 and give 1000 as uid? and so I did...

( Ahi dura terra etc...)

this was a disaster... when I saw that my Desktop , Documents etc...were
all empty...thought I had lost everything I almost wanted to committ suicide...but jus before hanging myself I tried df

[santo@localhost ~]$ df
...
/dev/sda7 63G 57G 6.3G 90% /home
which tells me that all that was there is somehow still there...

Yep, your change of UID/GID can cause loss of access. Directories/files
are still there.

through Dophin I manage to reach

file:///home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32

from where I can accecc at least my documents I was working on...now: #####################################################
if
... you are still willing to help me...

I sure, can.

and

if
technically possible...

If I get some information.

is there a way I can go back to that 'duplicate' at my Login?

Well, we will have to see.

All my games and other programs I use are there...plus other stuff I do
not seem to have permission to either open or copy...

Yep, all we need to do is sync your directories/files to your new UID/GID
or go the other way and sync your new login UID/GID to old UID/GID.

I can recommend going forward with the syncing everything to new UID/GID
if greater than 999,

To straighten up the UID/GID I need to know new and old UID/GID and what
is in /etc/passwd.


Give me the output from
grep /home /etc/passwd
ls -lnd /home/*




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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:34:56 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Munmap -chunk ()
Aborted ( core dump )

Worst Firefox also did not start anymore error message was :
Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded.It may be missing or inaccessible
tried all possible thing I could then the only option was to
reinstall...

Oh, no. You forgot about logging into the test account junk.

I think so :(
... you are still willing to help me...

I sure, can.

Thanks :-)

Give me the output from
grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*

[santo@localhost ~]$ grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*
grep: invalid argument ‘/home/junk’ for ‘--directories’
Valid arguments are:
- ‘read’
- ‘recurse’
- ‘skip’
Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERNS [FILE]...
Try 'grep --help' for more information.
[santo@localhost ~]$

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Give me the output from
grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*

I changed the order of the command...

This time I did not create the junk account so I do not know why is still there

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home* | grep /home /etc/passwd santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash
[santo@localhost ~]$

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:51:12 +0000, santo wrote:

Give me the output from
grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*

I changed the order of the command...

This time I did not create the junk account so I do not know why is
still there

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home* | grep /home /etc/passwd santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash [santo@localhost ~]$

Sorry...just remembered I created after installation...
Sigh!...

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:29:16 +0000, santo wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:34:56 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Munmap -chunk ()
Aborted ( core dump )

Worst Firefox also did not start anymore error message was :
Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded.It may be missing or
inaccessible tried all possible thing I could then the only option was
to reinstall...

Oh, no. You forgot about logging into the test account junk.

I think so :(
... you are still willing to help me...

I sure, can.

Thanks :-)

Give me the output from
grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*

[santo@localhost ~]$ grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/* grep:
invalid argument ‘/home/junk’ for ‘--directories’
Valid arguments are:
- ‘read’
- ‘recurse’
- ‘skip’
Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERNS [FILE]...
Try 'grep --help' for more information.
[santo@localhost ~]$

BT may be having breakfast, so...

grep /home /etc/passwd

and

ls -lnd /home

should be two commands on two separate lines.

Cheers!

jim b.


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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:51:12 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

Give me the output from
grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*

You need to change your pan preference. It is wrapping multi line commands
into one line.

I changed the order of the command...

This time I did not create the junk account so I do not know why is still there

Because /home is on a separate partition and no files were destroyed.

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home* | grep /home /etc/passwd santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash
[santo@localhost ~]$

Still need the output from

ls -lnd /home/*

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:07:17 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home* | grep /home /etc/passwd
santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash
junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash [santo@localhost ~]$

Still need the output from

ls -lnd /home/*

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home/*
drwxr-x--- 16 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 14:01 /home/junk/
drwxr-x--- 20 0 0 4096 Jan 15 09:27 /home/ junk.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-14:00:53/
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 16384 Feb 25 2010 /home/lost+found/
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 27189 Mar 8 2014 /home/mageia3files
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 0 Mar 9 2014 /home/rpm-installed-files
drwxr-x--- 20 1001 1001 4096 Jan 15 19:52 /home/santo/
drwxr-x--- 18 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 12:46 /home/santo1/
drwxr-xr-x 66 0 0 12288 Jan 15 12:01 /home/ santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:07:17 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home* | grep /home /etc/passwd
santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash

These are the UID/GID we/you will want all files.

junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash [santo@localhost ~]$

Still need the output from

ls -lnd /home/*

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home/*
drwxr-x--- 16 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 14:01 /home/junk/
drwxr-x--- 20 0 0 4096 Jan 15 09:27 /home/ junk.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-14:00:53/
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 16384 Feb 25 2010 /home/lost+found/
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 27189 Mar 8 2014 /home/mageia3files
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 0 Mar 9 2014 /home/rpm-installed-files drwxr-x--- 20 1001 1001 4096 Jan 15 19:52 /home/santo/
drwxr-x--- 18 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 12:46 /home/santo1/
drwxr-xr-x 66 0 0 12288 Jan 15 12:01

/home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

Ok, as root


chown -R santo:santo home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

After that, santo will/should have access to all files in the above directory.

I suggest using copy to get files into /home/santo from the above directory.


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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:44:04 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:07:17 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home* | grep /home /etc/passwd
santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash

These are the UID/GID we/you will want all files.

junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash [santo@localhost ~]$

Still need the output from

ls -lnd /home/*

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home/*
drwxr-x--- 16 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 14:01 /home/junk/
drwxr-x--- 20 0 0 4096 Jan 15 09:27 /home/
junk.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-14:00:53/
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 16384 Feb 25 2010 /home/lost+found/
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 27189 Mar 8 2014 /home/mageia3files
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 0 Mar 9 2014 /home/rpm-installed-files
drwxr-x--- 20 1001 1001 4096 Jan 15 19:52 /home/santo/
drwxr-x--- 18 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 12:46 /home/santo1/
drwxr-xr-x 66 0 0 12288 Jan 15 12:01 /home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

Ok, as root

chown -R santo:santo home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

Frap. Sorry, That should be

chown -R santo:santo /home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

After that, santo will/should have access to all files in the above

directory.

I suggest using copy to get files into /home/santo from the above directory.

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:45:06 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Frap. Sorry, That should be

chown -R santo:santo
/home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

After that, santo will/should have access to all files in the above
directory.

I suggest using copy to get files into /home/santo from the above
directory.

:-)

Yes...Now I have access to all the files...thanks very greatfull.....it
has been a long intense day in front of the system...tomorrow will copy
the files...
You mean using cp instead of drag and dropping I guess...
Santo

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:04:55 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:45:06 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Frap. Sorry, That should be

chown -R santo:santo
/home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

After that, santo will/should have access to all files in the above
directory.

I suggest using copy to get files into /home/santo from the above
directory.

:-)

Yes...Now I have access to all the files...thanks very greatfull.....it
has been a long intense day in front of the system...tomorrow will copy
the files...
You mean using cp instead of drag and dropping I guess...

Whatever works best to you. I hardly use gui for file work.
I want to see any problems as they occur.

What is going to be left over is locating any files with your old UID/GID
of 500. As root

find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500

find / -path /proc -prune -o -gid 500

I suggest these pan settings

View-> Body Pane
uncheck Wrap Article Body
uncheck Mute Quoted Text
uncheck Show bold, underline, italic

and I can only guess the line wrapping problems we have seen in your
replies is caused by your editor settings.



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Much beating of the breast, but almost no information.
It sounds like you actually installed a new user with the same uid as
the old user. From the command line, (one of the terminals such as
alt-ctrl-F2) and log on as root (usename root) and look at /etc/passwd.
What are the entries? Especially the ones with UID greater than or equal
to 1000?

If there are more than 1, then get rid of the one you do not want.

Before that try doing
ls -la ~santos
What are the listed username for the files in the santos home directory (assuming that your home directory IS /home/santos)


On 2020-01-15, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

Hi all ( especially Bitwister )
I made a disater...Murphy got me so bad ( plus my stupidity also helped a lot...)

Trying to play around with the commands to change UID and GID I got so involved with it that I tried something on my own.

( Ahi dura terra , perche' non t'apristi?
Ah, cruel earth, why didst thou not swallow us up at once !
Dante , Inferno)

Do not know what I did wrong as I was just running always your commands...but at some point when I wanted to start a new tread to just
say that I was not able to change uid nor gid and started Pan it just
would not start...from the command line I would get the following
message :

Munmap -chunk ()
Aborted ( core dump )

Worst Firefox also did not start anymore error message was :

Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded.It may be missing or inaccessible

tried all possible thing I could then the only option was to reinstall...

I just did everything same but because I was into that mood of changing
uid etc...when the time came to add a user I thought :
What if I cange to Santo2 and give 1000 as uid? and so I did...

( Ahi dura terra etc...)

this was a disaster... when I saw that my Desktop , Documents etc...were
all empty...thought I had lost everything I almost wanted to committ suicide...but jus before hanging myself I tried df

[santo@localhost ~]$ df
...
/dev/sda7 63G 57G 6.3G 90% /home
which tells me that all that was there is somehow still there...
through Dophin I manage to reach

file:///home/santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32

from where I can accecc at least my documents I was working on...now: #####################################################
if
... you are still willing to help me...

and

if
technically possible...

then

is there a way I can go back to that 'duplicate' at my Login?

fi

###################################################

All my games and other programs I use are there...plus other stuff I do
not seem to have permission to either open or copy...

Blushing TIA
Santo

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On 2020-01-15, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:34:56 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Munmap -chunk ()
Aborted ( core dump )

Worst Firefox also did not start anymore error message was :
Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded.It may be missing or inaccessible
tried all possible thing I could then the only option was to
reinstall...

Oh, no. You forgot about logging into the test account junk.

I think so :(
... you are still willing to help me...

I sure, can.

Thanks :-)

Give me the output from
grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*

[santo@localhost ~]$ grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*

This makes absolutely no sense. I am not sure what it was you were
trying to do.

grep: invalid argument ‘/home/junk’ for ‘--directories’
Valid arguments are:
- ‘read’
- ‘recurse’
- ‘skip’
Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERNS [FILE]...
Try 'grep --help' for more information.
[santo@localhost ~]$

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On 2020-01-15, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:07:17 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home* | grep /home /etc/passwd
santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash
junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash [santo@localhost ~]$

Still need the output from

ls -lnd /home/*

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home/*
drwxr-x--- 16 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 14:01 /home/junk/
drwxr-x--- 20 0 0 4096 Jan 15 09:27 /home/ junk.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-14:00:53/
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 16384 Feb 25 2010 /home/lost+found/
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 27189 Mar 8 2014 /home/mageia3files
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 0 Mar 9 2014 /home/rpm-installed-files drwxr-x--- 20 1001 1001 4096 Jan 15 19:52 /home/santo/
drwxr-x--- 18 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 12:46 /home/santo1/
drwxr-xr-x 66 0 0 12288 Jan 15 12:01 /home/ santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

You do see that you have two home directories with permissions for uid
1000 (junk and santos1). Which is the actual uid? Note also that you
have onely one user , namely junk, with uid 1000. Alsop what in the
world is
junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash [santo@localhost ~]$
supposed to mean? GEt rid of that argument to bash!
It will simply confuse everything.



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On 16/1/20 1:07 am, Bit Twister wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:51:12 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

Give me the output from
grep /home /etc/passwd ls -lnd /home/*

You need to change your pan preference. It is wrapping multi line commands into one line.

I changed the order of the command...

This time I did not create the junk account so I do not know why is still
there

Because /home is on a separate partition and no files were destroyed.

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home* | grep /home /etc/passwd
santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash
junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash
[santo@localhost ~]$

Still need the output from

ls -lnd /home/*

bugger!! I knew I should not have read this

[faeychild@unimatrix ~]$ ls -lnd /home*
drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Aug 31 07:46 /home/

[faeychild@unimatrix ~]$ ls -ln /home*
total 8
drwxr-xr-x 20 1001 1001 4096 Jan 15 14:54 junk/
drwxr-x--- 36 1000 1000 4096 Jan 16 07:57 faeychild/

[faeychild@unimatrix ~]$ ls -ld /home*
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 31 07:46 /home/

[faeychild@unimatrix ~]$ ls -nd /home*
drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Aug 31 07:46 /home/


So why did I expect them all to show "junk"


This afternoon I will be reading/googling "man ls"

Thanks Bits :-)



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Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso


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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:08:22 +1100, faeychild wrote:

On 16/1/20 1:07 am, Bit Twister wrote:

Still need the output from

ls -lnd /home/*

bugger!! I knew I should not have read this

Even worse, not using the indicated command. Can only assume your
thunderbird Usenet client may not have show trailing slash. :(

[faeychild@unimatrix ~]$ ls -lnd /home*
drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Aug 31 07:46 /home/

Yup, looking just about like mine.

$ ls -lnd /home*
drwxr-xr-x 10 0 0 4096 Dec 16 12:39 /home


The devil is in the details. You did not use the command I wanted
from santo.

So why did I expect them all to show "junk"

You got me. I have no idea.

This afternoon I will be reading/googling "man ls"

Here is the command I asked santo to use
ls -lnd /home/*

Because I used home/*, I did not want all files, just the directories
in /home/, I had to have d.

n was used, to verify which UID/GID was set for a given directory.

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:59:58 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home/*
drwxr-x--- 16 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 14:01 /home/junk/
drwxr-x--- 20 0 0 4096 Jan 15 09:27 /home/
junk.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-14:00:53/
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 16384 Feb 25 2010 /home/lost+found/ -rw-r--r--
1 0 0 27189 Mar 8 2014 /home/mageia3files -rw-r--r-- 1 0
0 0 Mar 9 2014 /home/rpm-installed-files drwxr-x--- 20 1001 1001
4096 Jan 15 19:52 /home/santo/
drwxr-x--- 18 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 12:46 /home/santo1/
drwxr-xr-x 66 0 0 12288 Jan 15 12:01 /home/
santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

You do see that you have two home directories with permissions for uid
1000 (junk and santos1).

This has to do with the first re-install when I - alas - as user I named santo1 confusing everything and thinking that I lost everything when I
then logged in...then I re-installed ( my final one ...) restoring back
the name santo thinking that maybe I could access the old directories...
it got so complicated for me that I did not know where to turn anymore, Luckily Bitwister is always available with help...

Now they are appearing as

[santo@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/passwd
.....
santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash

I do not know why santo has 1001, I did not set the uid when installing I
was expecting 500 as my very firs installation.
I added junk after install and again I do not know why it has been
assigned 1000.
Anyway now these are the two users in my system.
I think I can delete santo1 without Murphy intervening this time...

Alsop what in the
world is junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash [santo@localhost ~]$ supposed to mean? GEt rid of that argument to bash!
It will simply confuse everything.

I was suggested by BT some changes in my Pan so that it will appear more readable...
Thanks...
Santo

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:19:09 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

What is going to be left over is locating any files with your old UID/GID
of 500. As root

find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500

[santo@localhost ~]$ find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500
find: ‘/etc/skel/tmp’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/lvm/archive’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/lvm/cache’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/lvm/backup’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/polkit-1/rules.d’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/sudoers.d’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/shorewall’: Permission denied
/proc
find: ‘/usr/share/firebird/misc’: Permission denied
find: ‘/usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/firebird/data’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/firebird/secdb’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/private’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/udisks2’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/mlocate’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/samba/private’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/machines’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/sddm’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/portables’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/cache/private’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/log/private’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/log/sudo-io’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/log/samba’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/db/sudo’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/tmp/systemd-private-17cb1db939f74f419df550fd6cf939e4-rtkit-daemon.servi ce-IsrI4z’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/tmp/systemd-private-17cb1db939f74f419df550fd6cf939e4-upower.service-6DA 2oo’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/spool/cron’: Permission denied
find: ‘/root’: Permission denied
find: ‘/tmp/systemd-private-17cb1db939f74f419df550fd6cf939e4-rtkit-daemon.service-E wpSeu’: Permission denied
find: ‘/tmp/systemd-private-17cb1db939f74f419df550fd6cf939e4-upower.service-kI3ZBiâ €™: Permission denied
find: ‘/.dbus’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/udisks2’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/sudo’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/mdadm’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/lvm’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/cryptsetup’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/systemd/unit-root’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/systemd/inaccessible’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/lock/lvm’: Permission denied
find: ‘/lost+found’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/kernel/debug/tracing’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/fs/pstore’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/fs/bpf’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/fs/fuse/connections/8388610’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/fs/fuse/connections/8388609’: Permission denied
find: ‘/home/santo/Documents.old/.mybit’: Permission denied
find: ‘/home/.Trash-0’: Permission denied
find: ‘/home/.kde4/share/config’: Permission denied
find: ‘/home/junk’: Permission denied
[santo@localhost ~]$

same for gid

find / -path /proc -prune -o -gid 500

I suggest these pan settings

View-> Body Pane
uncheck Wrap Article Body
uncheck Mute Quoted Text
uncheck Show bold, underline, italic

Done :-)


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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:57:39 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:19:09 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

What is going to be left over is locating any files with your old UID/GID
of 500. As root

find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500

[santo@localhost ~]$ find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500
find: ‘/etc/skel/tmp’: Permission denied

The permission problems are because you are not following instructions.

The key phrase was "As root"

That means that you are to click up a terminal and run
su - root
enter root's password and run the commands given.

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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:33:57 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:59:58 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

You do see that you have two home directories with permissions for uid
1000 (junk and santos1).

This has to do with the first re-install when I - alas - as user I named santo1 confusing everything and thinking that I lost everything when I
then logged in...then I re-installed ( my final one ...) restoring back
the name santo thinking that maybe I could access the old directories...
it got so complicated for me that I did not know where to turn anymore, Luckily Bitwister is always available with help...

Now they are appearing as

[santo@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/passwd
....
santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash

I do not know why santo has 1001, I did not set the uid when installing

Glad to hear that. As with you, I am surprised as you. On clean install,
I would have expected the first user UID/GID to use values from /etc/login.defs

# grep -iE "^UID_MIN|^GID_MIN" /etc/login.defs
UID_MIN 1000
GID_MIN 1000

was expecting 500 as my very firs installation.

You can thank good ole systemd for the change. :(

I added junk after install and again I do not know why it has been
assigned 1000.

That surprised me as well. Apparently there is some extra code to help
newbie system administrators from shooting themselves in the foot, when
/home already has the same user name.

Anyway now these are the two users in my system.

In the future, I would recommend you use junk as first user created
on clean install and after reboot, then create santo.

I think I can delete santo1 without Murphy intervening this time...

Heheh, hopefully so. When you feel everything is back how you want it,
I can recommend cleaning up /home to match /etc/passwd.

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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 02:37:07 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

The permission problems are because you are not following instructions.

The key phrase was "As root"

That means that you are to click up a terminal and run
su - root
enter root's password and run the commands given.

Jesus...sorry...:(

[root@localhost ~]# find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500
/proc
[root@localhost ~]# find / -path /proc -prune -o -gid 500
/proc
[root@localhost ~]#

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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:33:57 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

I was suggested by BT some changes in my Pan so that it will appear more readable...

I did install pan, but did not find any setting that is causing your
mangling of commands I entered, or the output provided by you.

I can only guess it is caused by your editor settings. Guessing it is
set in paragraph/autowrap mode.


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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:00:06 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 02:37:07 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

The permission problems are because you are not following instructions.

The key phrase was "As root"

That means that you are to click up a terminal and run
su - root
enter root's password and run the commands given.

Jesus...sorry...:(

[root@localhost ~]# find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500
/proc
[root@localhost ~]# find / -path /proc -prune -o -gid 500
/proc
[root@localhost ~]#

Outstanding. Looking like you have ownership cleaned up for any 500 U/GID.
It would not hurt to check for un-owned files. As root

find / -path /proc -prune -o -user nobody -o -group nogroup

ignore any /run/user/ permission errors.



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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 03:13:37 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Outstanding....LOL!

Looking like you have ownership cleaned up for any 500 U/GID.
It would not hurt to check for un-owned files. As root

find / -path /proc -prune -o -user nobody -o -group nogroup

ignore any /run/user/ permission errors.

[root@localhost ~]# find / -path /proc -prune -o -user nobody -o -group nogroup
/proc
[root@localhost ~]#

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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 03:08:11 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:33:57 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

I was suggested by BT some changes in my Pan so that it will appear more
readable...

I did install pan, but did not find any setting that is causing your
mangling of commands I entered, or the output provided by you.

I can only guess it is caused by your editor settings. Guessing it is
set in paragraph/autowrap mode.

Must say I do not understand what you mean when you say 'my editor'...
I just click on follow up to newsgroup and type in the pop up window...
now with the changes you suggested..

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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:55:15 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 03:08:11 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

I did install pan, but did not find any setting that is causing your
mangling of commands I entered, or the output provided by you.

I can only guess it is caused by your editor settings. Guessing it is
set in paragraph/autowrap mode.

Must say I do not understand what you mean when you say 'my editor'...
I just click on follow up to newsgroup and type in the pop up window...
now with the changes you suggested..

If you were to look around in pan's settings, somewhere you get to set
which editor you would like to use.

In any case, when you get into that pop up window, I would assume
there are things you could click/look at that allow you to configure
the editor in use.


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On 2020-01-16, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:59:58 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

[santo@localhost ~]$ ls -lnd /home/*
drwxr-x--- 16 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 14:01 /home/junk/
drwxr-x--- 20 0 0 4096 Jan 15 09:27 /home/
junk.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-14:00:53/
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 16384 Feb 25 2010 /home/lost+found/ -rw-r--r--
1 0 0 27189 Mar 8 2014 /home/mageia3files -rw-r--r-- 1 0
0 0 Mar 9 2014 /home/rpm-installed-files drwxr-x--- 20 1001 1001
4096 Jan 15 19:52 /home/santo/
drwxr-x--- 18 1000 1000 4096 Jan 15 12:46 /home/santo1/
drwxr-xr-x 66 0 0 12288 Jan 15 12:01 /home/
santo.renamed_duplicate_2020-01-15-12:57:32/

You do see that you have two home directories with permissions for uid
1000 (junk and santos1).

This has to do with the first re-install when I - alas - as user I named santo1 confusing everything and thinking that I lost everything when I
then logged in...then I re-installed ( my final one ...) restoring back
the name santo thinking that maybe I could access the old directories...
it got so complicated for me that I did not know where to turn anymore, Luckily Bitwister is always available with help...

Now they are appearing as

[santo@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/passwd
....
santo:x:1001:1001:santo:/home/santo:/bin/bash junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash

I do not know why santo has 1001, I did not set the uid when installing I was expecting 500 as my very firs installation.

Nope, that was way back at Mageia 1 or 3. Now the lowest user is 1000.
Some advocate that you should choose something like 2000 to give future versions the option of using even more numbers for the system.

I added junk after install and again I do not know why it has been
assigned 1000.

BEcause you added it first. The system user allocation assigns
sequentially from 1000.

Anyway now these are the two users in my system.
I think I can delete santo1 without Murphy intervening this time...

Alsop what in the
world is junk:x:1000:1000:junk:/home/junk:/bin/bash [santo@localhost ~]$
supposed to mean? GEt rid of that argument to bash!
It will simply confuse everything.

I was suggested by BT some changes in my Pan so that it will appear more

The place to set the bash display is in .bashrc setting the PS1
environment variable, not in /etc/passwd

Eg PS1='\u@\h \w$'
in .bashrc

(man bash under PROMPTING-- It means <user>@<hostname> <Current working directory>$
I have no idea what the prompt is supposed to have to do with PAN.

readable...
Thanks...
Santo

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On 2020-01-16, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:19:09 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

What is going to be left over is locating any files with your old UID/GID
of 500. As root

find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500

You did notice did you not "As root"? You are running it as "santo" not
as "root"

[santo@localhost ~]$ find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500
find: ‘/etc/skel/tmp’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/lvm/archive’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/lvm/cache’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/lvm/backup’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/polkit-1/rules.d’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/sudoers.d’: Permission denied
find: ‘/etc/shorewall’: Permission denied
/proc
find: ‘/usr/share/firebird/misc’: Permission denied
find: ‘/usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/firebird/data’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/firebird/secdb’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/private’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/udisks2’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/mlocate’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/samba/private’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/machines’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/sddm’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/lib/portables’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/cache/private’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/log/private’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/log/sudo-io’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/log/samba’: Permission denied
find: ‘/var/db/sudo’: Permission denied
find:

‘/var/tmp/systemd-private-17cb1db939f74f419df550fd6cf939e4-rtkit-daemon.servi ce-IsrI4z’: Permission denied

find:

‘/var/tmp/systemd-private-17cb1db939f74f419df550fd6cf939e4-upower.service-6DA 2oo’: Permission denied

find: ‘/var/spool/cron’: Permission denied
find: ‘/root’: Permission denied
find:

‘/tmp/systemd-private-17cb1db939f74f419df550fd6cf939e4-rtkit-daemon.service-E wpSeu’: Permission denied

find:

‘/tmp/systemd-private-17cb1db939f74f419df550fd6cf939e4-upower.service-kI3ZBiâ €™: Permission denied

find: ‘/.dbus’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/udisks2’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/sudo’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/mdadm’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/lvm’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/cryptsetup’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/systemd/unit-root’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/systemd/inaccessible’: Permission denied
find: ‘/run/lock/lvm’: Permission denied
find: ‘/lost+found’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/kernel/debug/tracing’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/fs/pstore’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/fs/bpf’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/fs/fuse/connections/8388610’: Permission denied
find: ‘/sys/fs/fuse/connections/8388609’: Permission denied
find: ‘/home/santo/Documents.old/.mybit’: Permission denied
find: ‘/home/.Trash-0’: Permission denied
find: ‘/home/.kde4/share/config’: Permission denied
find: ‘/home/junk’: Permission denied
[santo@localhost ~]$

same for gid

find / -path /proc -prune -o -gid 500

I suggest these pan settings

View-> Body Pane
uncheck Wrap Article Body
uncheck Mute Quoted Text
uncheck Show bold, underline, italic

Done :-)

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On 16/1/20 7:58 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

In the future, I would recommend you use junk as first user created
on clean install and after reboot, then create santo.

I'm curious, Bits

Why junk first



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On 16/1/20 8:22 am, Bit Twister wrote:

This afternoon I will be reading/googling "man ls"

Here is the command I asked santo to use
ls -lnd /home/*

Amazing
I don't remember now if I typed directly or cut and pasted

Whichever, though, It is a concern

There are days when I do something impulsively, look back at it later
and think - WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!

Regards

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On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:15:34 +1100, faeychild wrote:

On 16/1/20 7:58 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

In the future, I would recommend you use junk as first user created
on clean install and after reboot, then create santo.

I'm curious, Bits

Why junk first

First and foremost, Because junk's UID/GID on his system is 1000, and
second santo's UID/GID is 1001.

Keep in mind santo has a separate /home and user's UID/GID in /etc/passwd
will need to match id's in /home

Third, I would not depend on install logic to automagically continue to
make that adjustment if santo is entered as the first user on the system. during clean installs.


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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:38:38 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-01-16, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:19:09 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

What is going to be left over is locating any files with your old UID/GID >>> of 500. As root

find / -path /proc -prune -o -uid 500

You did notice did you not "As root"? You are running it as "santo" not
as "root"

William, might I suggest that you read all the responses in the thread in
order to check if your reply/solution/suggestion has not already been posted.

Since you are using slrn as you Usenet client, you can hit "u" to mark
the post as un-read, read the rest of replies, then come back to any
unread posts to which you do want to reply.


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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:34:30 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

I do not know why santo has 1001, I did not set the uid when installing I >> was expecting 500 as my very firs installation.

Nope, that was way back at Mageia 1 or 3. Now the lowest user is 1000.
Some advocate that you should choose something like 2000 to give future versions the option of using even more numbers for the system.

I added junk after install and again I do not know why it has been
assigned 1000.

BEcause you added it first. The system user allocation assigns
sequentially from 1000.

this is where I get confused...So when during installation
I add santo as user which UID the system should assign?
I was expecting 1000...



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On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:13:35 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

this is where I get confused...So when during installation
I add santo as user which UID the system should assign?
I was expecting 1000...

Which is correct.

On any clean install and no separate /home, the first user you create
will have the values seen in
# grep -iE "^UID_MIN|^GID_MIN" /etc/login.defs
UID_MIN 1000
GID_MIN 1000

Apparently, that piece of code looked in /home on your system and
saw that /home/santo had a UID/GID of 1001 and created the /etc/passwd
santo entry using 1001 for UID/GID.

That same piece of code was used when you created the junk account which created junk with the 1000 UID/Gid.


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On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 05:00:07 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Apparently, that piece of code looked in /home on your system and
saw that /home/santo had a UID/GID of 1001 and created the /etc/passwd
santo entry using 1001 for UID/GID.

That same piece of code was used when you created the junk account which created junk with the 1000 UID/Gid.

is it important or I have to change uid etc to avoid future problem?
can I just delete junk set santo as 1000?

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On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:41:58 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 05:00:07 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Apparently, that piece of code looked in /home on your system and
saw that /home/santo had a UID/GID of 1001 and created the /etc/passwd
santo entry using 1001 for UID/GID.

That same piece of code was used when you created the junk account which
created junk with the 1000 UID/Gid.

is it important or I have to change uid etc to avoid future problem?
can I just delete junk set santo as 1000?

That is why I recommended that you always create junk during install,
then after reboot, create santo.

Now, it is your system, and you get to decide. Think about how much fun
you had getting santo's uid/gid changed from 500.

For you to be able to make your desired change to have santo's u/gid
set to 1000, all you have to do is
o create another account, say aaa
o log into the new third account aaa
o as root, delete the 1000 junk account
Do check delete home and mail items.
o change group id 1001 from santo to santo_O
o create group santo as 1000
o change santo UID to 1000
o change santo GID to 1000
o chmod -R 1000:1000 /home/santo
o delete santo_O group



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On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:41:58 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 05:00:07 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Apparently, that piece of code looked in /home on your system and
saw that /home/santo had a UID/GID of 1001 and created the /etc/passwd
santo entry using 1001 for UID/GID.

That same piece of code was used when you created the junk account which
created junk with the 1000 UID/Gid.

is it important or I have to change uid etc to avoid future problem?
can I just delete junk set santo as 1000?

After you read my other reply, I can recommend that you create a forth
and fifth account.

You then practice/document how to do the steps to actually modify the
two new accounts like you were doing the santo UID/GID change.


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On 2020-01-17, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:34:30 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

I do not know why santo has 1001, I did not set the uid when installing I >>> was expecting 500 as my very firs installation.

Nope, that was way back at Mageia 1 or 3. Now the lowest user is 1000.
Some advocate that you should choose something like 2000 to give future
versions the option of using even more numbers for the system.

I added junk after install and again I do not know why it has been
assigned 1000.

BEcause you added it first. The system user allocation assigns
sequentially from 1000.

this is where I get confused...So when during installation
I add santo as user which UID the system should assign?
I was expecting 1000...

If it is the very first non-root user assigned then yes, I would expect
it to be 1000 but Bit has speculated that the software may look at
/home to see if there is a directory there with the name of the user you
are trying to install, and if there is, to assign a number which is the
UID of that directory. This is in an attempt to be helpful so that you
do not need to change all of the UIDs of the files in that directory.
So, if you already have a /home/santos and you ask it to set up a user
of santos, it will use the uid attached to that directory. This would
only really work if you were monting an old partition onto /home. If you
are reinstalling, rather than upgrading, then, if /home is part of the / partition, it would have been wiped clean and thee would be no entries
in /home. But tht does not seem to be your situation. If you do as I do
and put /home into say, a partition named /local (/local/home), and make /home pointer (soft link) to /local/home, then the system would have no idea
that the home directory of santos exists, and would assign it 1000
That is my theory.




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On 2020-01-17, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 05:00:07 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:

Apparently, that piece of code looked in /home on your system and
saw that /home/santo had a UID/GID of 1001 and created the /etc/passwd
santo entry using 1001 for UID/GID.

That same piece of code was used when you created the junk account which
created junk with the 1000 UID/Gid.

is it important or I have to change uid etc to avoid future problem?
can I just delete junk set santo as 1000?

It is completely unimportant what the uid is, as long as it is larger
than or equal to 1000. The UID is simply the name that the system uses
to refer to all files, directories belonging to the user. /etc/password
is the translation from computer number reference to human readable
form. The computer does not care what that number is (as long as none
are accidentally repeated-- Not that the computer cares if both santos
and bob have uid 1001. It is just that you or bob might care that all
files of one can be read/written/executed by the other.
The distro reserves some number (it used to 100 then 500 then 1000 and
maybe 2000 in 5 years) below which system "users" are assigned numbers.
It will check if the new uid is already used when it tries to assign a
number (UID) to a new system user. It tends to count down from Min user
(1000) for most new system users, and up from 0 for others, but it
really does not care if user 37 is you. It will avoid that number in
assigning system users uids. It is just tidy to have all ordinary users
having one block of numbers, and system users a different block. I am
sure there are numberous Mageia systems around where there are ordinary
users with numbers less than 1000 and it is harmless (except for
possible inconvenience when you reinstall, but not when you upgrade).



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On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:50:25 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

BEcause you added it first. The system user allocation assigns
sequentially from 1000.

this is where I get confused...So when during installation
I add santo as user which UID the system should assign?
I was expecting 1000...

If it is the very first non-root user assigned then yes, I would expect
it to be 1000 but Bit has speculated that the software may look at
/home to see if there is a directory there with the name of the user you
are trying to install, and if there is, to assign a number which is the
UID of that directory. This is in an attempt to be helpful so that you
do not need to change all of the UIDs of the files in that directory.
So, if you already have a /home/santos and you ask it to set up a user
of santos, it will use the uid attached to that directory. This would
only really work if you were monting an old partition onto /home.

Thanks a lot for the explanation here and your other post.

If you
are reinstalling, rather than upgrading, then, if /home is part of the / partition, it would have been wiped clean and thee would be no entries
in /home. But tht does not seem to be your situation.

Yes this is why I always put home in a separate partition..

If you do as I do
and put /home into say, a partition named /local (/local/home), and make

/home a

pointer (soft link) to /local/home, then the system would have no idea
that the home directory of santos exists, and would assign it 1000
That is my theory.

Ecxellent...this seems the way in the future to avoid all these complication

Will surely kep in mind next reinstall...For the time being I will keep the system as it is

Thanks again
Santo


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