Hey Rob!

On Sun, Apr 06 2025 22:37:52 -0500, you wrote:

URL nntp://news.pharcyde.org

$ nc news.pharcyde.org 119
200 The Pharcyde News (Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NNTP Service 1.2)

Definitely not JAMNNTPD.

At the moment, it's on port 2119, if you absolutely have a dire need to look so deeply into this. I just hadn't updated this list with Bjorn because it may very well go back to the original port at some point.

Smapinntpd is basically the exact same thing as Jamnntpd, it just uses the smapi library instead of the older jamlib. So IMO, they fall under the same category. That one I have running on port 1119, if you need proof.

... so what's going on with this incessant reminder about a NNTP
program that nobody apparently uses and specific servers that either
don't use it or are just totally defunct.

If my memory serves, Bjorn runs the last version by Johan Billings, however his address changed at some point, so maybe that just wasn't updated). Tommi, Carlos, myself, and maybe a couple others run some versions that we've forked to fix long standing bugs and add our own features.

Is anybody actually reading this? Does anyone care?

Why do you think I was recently asking you about some possible features in Synchronet's NNTP server, in regards to the "mail" area and making it fully accessible for BBS mail, netmail, and even email since the ability to access all three of these via the telnet BBS is already there (because this is a feature in Smapinntpd and Jamnntpd that I like)? You basically told me to use Synchronet's email server with Thunderbird (which I don't care to), instead. So here I am, using both in order to get the best features from both sides of the fence.

At the moment, all messages containing CP437 look like hot garbage in Thunderbird with Synchronet's NNTP server. Not Synchronet's fault, since Thunderbird dropped any and all codepage support quite some time ago. Smapinntpd and Jamnntpd still use translation tables (much like Golded), so you can at least translate all of that CP437 to UTF-8 so it views nicely/properly in Thunderbird.

I don't think I even got around to asking you for some kind of server side option or even a per user option, to convert to UTF-8 so things would look better in Thunderbird, because every time I ask you questions about Synchronet's NNTP service, you seem very uninterested, unless it's an actual bug.. much like when I bring up compatibility questions about Golded with Synchronet. *shrug*

Either way, there's pros and cons for me between them all right now, and I'm still messing about with all three.

So, yes I'm reading this. Granted, I could care less whether that information is listed in the Fidonews, or not. My guess it is some kind of a fanpage or dedication page to Johan and his program, because the editor has been using that software probably damn near since it's inception.. and I don't have a problem with that. Do you?

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: FidoNews 42:14 [02/06]: Jamnntpd Servers List
By: Nick Boel to Rob Swindell on Mon Apr 07 2025 06:06 pm

So, yes I'm reading this. Granted, I could care less whether that information is listed in the Fidonews, or not. My guess it is some kind of a fanpage or dedication page to Johan and his program, because the editor has been using that software probably damn near since it's inception.. and I don't have a problem with that. Do you?

I think it's weird. And most of the information provided along with it appears severely out of date. So yeah, I think it's just noise at this point.
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Hey Rob!

On Mon, Apr 07 2025 18:21:40 -0500, you wrote:

I think it's weird. And most of the information provided along with
it appears severely out of date. So yeah, I think it's just noise at
this point.

Sometimes noise is better than silence. Vice versa, too.. but there's already enough silence in this hobby. ;)

Was the BBS software page ever updated? That went years being out of date, until someone cared enough to say something about it.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: FidoNews 42:14 [02/06]: Jamnntpd Servers List
By: Nick Boel to Rob Swindell on Mon Apr 07 2025 06:46 pm

Hey Rob!

On Mon, Apr 07 2025 18:21:40 -0500, you wrote:

I think it's weird. And most of the information provided along with
it appears severely out of date. So yeah, I think it's just noise at
this point.

Sometimes noise is better than silence. Vice versa, too.. but there's already enough silence in this hobby. ;)

In this case, the automatic posting of a out of date data about a program that nobody (or very few) appear to be actually using seems worse than silence.

Was the BBS software page ever updated? That went years being out of date, until someone cared enough to say something about it.

But that listing is of multiple programs that people actually still use and yeah, it gets updated. I guess with modern web search, these auto-posted "lists" are really of limited use anyway. A simple post that said "google supported FidoNet software" might be more effective and accurate. <shrug> The JAMNNTPD posting just seemed to me to be an odd duck, and with all the data in the post being obsolete, and nobody mentioning it, I think that just means that nobody is actually paying attention. I'm just saying: Hey editor of FidoNews, can we clean this up?
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Hey Rob!

On Mon, Apr 07 2025 19:00:13 -0500, you wrote:

I'm just saying: Hey editor of FidoNews, can we clean this up?

You might have to do this some archaic, dinosaur era, way. Possibly even giving up your first born in the process. If you go past the page you don't like, I think there's some instructions on how to go about it "properly".

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: FidoNews 42:14 [02/06]: Jamnntpd Servers List
By: Nick Boel to Rob Swindell on Mon Apr 07 2025 07:13 pm

Hey Rob!

On Mon, Apr 07 2025 19:00:13 -0500, you wrote:

I'm just saying: Hey editor of FidoNews, can we clean this up?

You might have to do this some archaic, dinosaur era, way. Possibly even giving up your first born in the process. If you go past the page you don't like, I think there's some instructions on how to go about it "properly".

"Fido NetMail sent to Bj”rn Felten @2:2/2" :-)
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On 7.4.2025 3.37, Rob Swindell wrote:

I have nothing against JAMNNTPD, but I've often wondered: why
does it get such high billing in the FIDONEWS?

Why don't you ask the editor of fidonews. :)

URL nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi
Join https://news.fidonet.fi

$ nc news.fidonet.fi 119
200 Welcome to SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 kco 20241026 (posting may be allowed)

Is that JAMNNTPD?

You probed the wrong URL.. :)

'Tommi

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Re: Re: FidoNews 42:14 [02/06]: Jamnntpd Servers List
By: Tommi Koivula to Rob Swindell on Tue Apr 08 2025 08:20 am

On 7.4.2025 3.37, Rob Swindell wrote:

I have nothing against JAMNNTPD, but I've often wondered: why
does it get such high billing in the FIDONEWS?

Why don't you ask the editor of fidonews. :)

I thought the editor would be wathing here, but I sent a netmail anyway.

URL nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi
Join https://news.fidonet.fi

$ nc news.fidonet.fi 119
200 Welcome to SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 kco 20241026 (posting may be allowed)

Is that JAMNNTPD?

You probed the wrong URL.. :)

You mean hostname? Seems to be the one that was advertised as running JAMNNTPD (but isn't).
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On 8.4.2025 9.35, Rob Swindell wrote:

I thought the editor would be wathing here, but I sent a netmail anyway.

2:2/2 seems still to be operating as a point..

Nodelist for Tuesday, April 8, 2025 -- Day number 098 parsed, 933 IP-nodes processed (0.062 sec)
Calling '2:2/2'. Call time: '0000-2400' UTC.
Now is: 1442 UTC.
eljaco.se, 24555
Calling 2:2/2 (2001:470:27:302::2:24555)
error (Connection timed out)
Calling 2:2/2 (94.254.14.141:24555)
error (Connection timed out)

> > > URL nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi
> > > Join https://news.fidonet.fi
>
> > $ nc news.fidonet.fi 119
> > 200 Welcome to SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 kco 20241026 (posting may be allowed)
>
> > Is that JAMNNTPD?
>
> You probed the wrong URL.. :)

You mean hostname? Seems to be the one that was advertised as running JAMNNTPD
(but isn't).

rbb.fidonet.fi is running JamNNTPd/OS2
news.fidonet.fi is running SmapiNNTPd/Linux
mxo.fidonet.fi is running JamNNTPd/Linux

The second one is also known as 'fidonews.mine.nu'
The latest one is not listed in public

'Tommi

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Hello Tommi!

On Tue, 08 Apr 2025 17:50 +0300, you wrote to Rob Swindell:

2:2/2 seems still to be operating as a point..

Nodelist for Tuesday, April 8, 2025 -- Day number 098 parsed, 933
IP-nodes processed (0.062 sec)
Calling '2:2/2'. Call time: '0000-2400' UTC. Now is: 1442 UTC.
eljaco.se, 24555
Calling 2:2/2 (2001:470:27:302::2:24555) error (Connection timed out) Calling 2:2/2 (94.254.14.141:24555) error (Connection timed out)

Works for me:

=== Start of Windows Clipboard ===
23:21 [3702404] BEGIN, binkd/1.1a-99/Linux -p -P 2:2/2 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
23:21 [3702404] creating a poll for 2:2/2@fidonet (`d' flavour)
23:21 [3702404] clientmgr started
+ 23:21 [3702405] call to 2:2/2@fidonet
23:21 [3702405] trying f2.n2.z2.binkp.net [94.254.14.141]...
23:21 [3702405] connected
+ 23:21 [3702405] outgoing session with f2.n2.z2.binkp.net:24555 [94.254.14.141]
- 23:21 [3702405] OPT CRAM-MD5-f5d34d1c5c3e030dfbb4fc29ce8a46ee
+ 23:21 [3702405] Remote requests MD mode
- 23:21 [3702405] SYS Felten's Sharp System
- 23:21 [3702405] ZYZ Bj?rn Felten
- 23:21 [3702405] LOC Sove, Sweden
- 23:21 [3702405] NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
- 23:21 [3702405] TIME Tue, 8 Apr 2025 17:21:27 +0200
- 23:21 [3702405] VER binkd/1.1a-65/Win32 binkp/1.1
+ 23:21 [3702405] addr: 2:203/0@fidonet
+ 23:21 [3702405] addr: 2:20/0@fidonet
+ 23:21 [3702405] addr: 2:2/2@fidonet
+ 23:21 [3702405] addr: 2:203/2@fidonet
- 23:21 [3702405] OPT EXTCMD NDA
+ 23:21 [3702405] Remote supports EXTCMD mode
+ 23:21 [3702405] Remote supports asymmetric ND mode
- 23:21 [3702405] remote is in ND mode
+ 23:21 [3702405] done (to 2:2/2@fidonet, OK, S/R: 0/0 (0/0 bytes))
23:21 [3702405] session closed, quitting...
23:21 [3702404] rc(3702405)=0
23:21 [3702404] the queue is empty, quitting...
=== End of Windows Clipboard ===


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Hi Alexey,

On 2025-04-08 18:19:07, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

Nodelist for Tuesday, April 8, 2025 -- Day number 098 parsed, 933
IP-nodes processed (0.062 sec)
Calling '2:2/2'. Call time: '0000-2400' UTC. Now is: 1442 UTC.
eljaco.se, 24555
Calling 2:2/2 (2001:470:27:302::2:24555) error (Connection timed out)
Calling 2:2/2 (94.254.14.141:24555) error (Connection timed out)

Works for me:

=== Start of Windows Clipboard ===
23:21 [3702404] BEGIN, binkd/1.1a-99/Linux -p -P 2:2/2 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
23:21 [3702404] creating a poll for 2:2/2@fidonet (`d' flavour)
23:21 [3702404] clientmgr started
+ 23:21 [3702405] call to 2:2/2@fidonet
23:21 [3702405] trying f2.n2.z2.binkp.net [94.254.14.141]...
23:21 [3702405] connected

Sometimes you get through, most of the time you don't...


Bye, Wilfred.

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 18:19:06 +0300 Alexey Fayans wrote:

TK> 2:2/2 seems still to be operating as a point..

TK> Nodelist for Tuesday, April 8, 2025 -- Day number 098 parsed,
TK> 933 IP-nodes processed (0.062 sec)
TK> Calling '2:2/2'. Call time: '0000-2400' UTC. Now is: 1442 UTC.
TK> eljaco.se, 24555
TK> Calling 2:2/2 (2001:470:27:302::2:24555) error (Connection
TK> timed out) Calling 2:2/2 (94.254.14.141:24555) error
TK> (Connection timed out)

Works for me:

And now it works again. But only ipv4.

Nodelist for Tuesday, April 8, 2025 -- Day number 098 parsed, 933
IP-nodes processed (0.016 sec) Calling '2:2/2'. Call time: '0000-2400'
UTC. Now is: 1609 UTC.
eljaco.se, 24555
Calling 2:2/2 (2001:470:27:302::2:24555)
error (Connection timed out)
Calling 2:2/2 (94.254.14.141:24555)
OPT CRAM-MD5-92d84458c56cd140cba09d69bd908bee
SYS Felten's Sharp System
ZYZ Björn Felten
LOC Säve, Sweden
NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
TIME Tue, 8 Apr 2025 18:09:45 +0200
VER binkd/1.1a-65/Win32 binkp/1.1
address: 2:203/0@fidonet
address: 2:20/0@fidonet
address: 2:2/2@fidonet
address: 2:203/2@fidonet
OPT EXTCMD
94.254.14.141 - Ok.
Session with 2:2/2 done.

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Hi Alexey,

On 2025-04-08 18:10:26, I wrote to you:

Works for me:

=== Start of Windows Clipboard ===
23:21 [3702404] BEGIN, binkd/1.1a-99/Linux -p -P 2:2/2
/etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
23:21 [3702404] creating a poll for 2:2/2@fidonet (`d' flavour)
23:21 [3702404] clientmgr started
+ 23:21 [3702405] call to 2:2/2@fidonet
23:21 [3702405] trying f2.n2.z2.binkp.net [94.254.14.141]...
23:21 [3702405] connected

Sometimes you get through, most of the time you don't...

It's about 1 in 10 calls that work for me:

# grep 'connection to 2:203/0@fidonet failed' binkd.log | wc -l
151

# grep 'done (to 2:203/0@fidonet, OK' binkd.log | wc -l
15

Or maybe it's half that, because IPv6 always fails, and it tries that first.


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Rob Swindell!

** On Sunday 06.04.25 - 20:37, Rob Swindell wrote to All:

Definitely not JAMNNTPD.

... so what's going on with this incessant reminder about
a NNTP program that nobody apparently uses and specific
servers that either don't use it or are just totally
defunct.

Why not just rename the list to represent "NNTP Feeds"?

Is anybody actually reading this? Does anyone care?

I did when I came back to the fold as a user. An NNTP
connection was easy and fast.

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Re: FidoNews 42:14 [02/06]: Jamnntpd Servers List
By: August Abolins to Rob Swindell on Tue Apr 08 2025 05:48 pm

Why not just rename the list to represent "NNTP Feeds"?

Sure. Most Synchronet FidoNet nodes run an NNTP service, so the list could be a lot longer in that case too.
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Re: FidoNews 42:14 [02/06]: Jamnntpd Servers List
By: Tommi Koivula to Rob Swindell on Tue Apr 08 2025 05:50 pm

> You probed the wrong URL.. :)

You mean hostname? Seems to be the one that was advertised as running JAMNNTPD
(but isn't).

rbb.fidonet.fi is running JamNNTPd/OS2

Yup, I did (probe the wrong host) and you're right, it is. Cool. I just thought it was weird that most if not all the listed "servers" weren't actually running the software being advertised. I have nothing against JAMNNTPD (or JamNNTPD) I just was curious why it seems to be such a significant part of the official Fido newsletter and then when checked, most of the listed JAMNNTPD servers weren't actually. So, just seemed to me like unnecessary noise. But if no one else agrees, so be it. Seems odd.
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Rob Swindell wrote to Tommi Koivula <=-

rbb.fidonet.fi is running JamNNTPd/OS2

Yup, I did (probe the wrong host) and you're right, it is. Cool. I just thought it was weird that most if not all the listed "servers" weren't actually running the software being advertised. I have nothing against JAMNNTPD (or JamNNTPD) I just was curious why it seems to be such a significant part of the official Fido newsletter and then when checked, most of the listed JAMNNTPD servers weren't actually. So, just seemed
to me like unnecessary noise. But if no one else agrees, so be it.
Seems odd.

I completely agree. Very odd, indeed.

I believe the explanation is that the FidoNews "editor" is also
quite.... odd.



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Re: Re: FidoNews 42:14 [02/06]: Jamnntpd Servers List
By: Dan Clough to Rob Swindell on Wed Apr 09 2025 11:03 am

I believe the explanation is that the FidoNews "editor" is also
quite.... odd.

I have no opinion on that, just focusing on the product, not the person. I assume, like many other automated systems, it's just been neglected and ignored and lost its initial purpose at some point, but caries on doing what it was told, like a good robot. :-)
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