Apparently, OXP doesn't seem to handle multi-initial quoting very well.

:(


For example, some names such as Michael

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Hello August!

** 26.10.19 - 23:07, August Abolins wrote to All:

Apparently, OXP doesn't seem to handle multi-initial quoting very well.

:(

For example, some names such as Michael

Whooops! Sorry about the incomplete message. I forgot that it was "in progress" as a draft and I should have gone back to finish it before my
next poll.

To continue...

Names with 3 or more initials such as "Wilfred van Velzen", or "Rick van Beek" might show up in originating messages like this:

WvV> some quoted text here, line 1
WvV> some quoted text here, line 2
WvV> some quoted text here, line 3

or,

RvB> some quoted text here, line 1
RvB> some quoted text here, line 2
RvB> some quoted text here, line 3


But when YOU start a quoted reply, the aligned lines get staggered, for example:

WvV> some quoted text here, line 1 WvV> some quoted text here,
line 2 WvV> some quoted text here, line 3

or,

RvB> some quoted text here, line 1 RvB> some quoted text here,
line 2 RvB> some quoted text here, line 3


:(

Needs manual intervention!


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Hello August!

* 26.10.19 at 23:38, August Abolins wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]

Names with 3 or more initials such as "Wilfred van Velzen", or "Rick van Beek" might show up in originating messages like this:

WvV> some quoted text here, line 1
WvV> some quoted text here, line 2
WvV> some quoted text here, line 3

or,

RvB> some quoted text here, line 1
RvB> some quoted text here, line 2
RvB> some quoted text here, line 3

Yes, I can confirm that.

But when YOU start a quoted reply, the aligned lines get staggered, for example:

WvV> some quoted text here, line 1 WvV> some quoted text here,
line 2 WvV> some quoted text here, line 3

or,

RvB> some quoted text here, line 1 RvB> some quoted text here,
line 2 RvB> some quoted text here, line 3

Nope, can't reproduce that here, sorry.

Regards,
Martin

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On 02/11/2019 2:31 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

Names with 3 or more initials such as "Wilfred van Velzen", or
"Rick van Beek" ...
..get staggered, for example:

WvV> some quoted text here, line 1 WvV> some quoted text

here, AA> line 2 WvV> some quoted text here, line 3

Nope, can't reproduce that here, sorry.

Hi Martin.. Hop over to an echo such as TEST or FIDONEWS. You will find more 3-initial names there (most from the euro-zones. Try some test replies in OXP and you will then surely be able to reproduce the problem. :)

I can work around the problem be re-editing manually, but I simply avoid striking up a conversation with 3-initial people to save work! <g>

Alternatively, I can use a stand-alone requoter called ReformatorQuoter (which I discover recently) to do the hard part. I'll post something about that later.

...AA

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Hi August,

On 2019-11-02 17:59:09, you wrote to Martin Foster:

I can work around the problem be re-editing manually, but I simply
avoid striking up a conversation with 3-initial people to save work!

Hmmm... :-( ;)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Wilfred.

02 Nov 19 17:07:00, you wrote to August Abolins:

I can work around the problem be re-editing manually, but I simply
avoid striking up a conversation with 3-initial people to save work!

Hmmm... :-( ;)

Golded seems to ignore the "van" part of your name. Well, names should be written with Capital letters, so it seems to be quite ok. ;)

'Tommi

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Hmmm... :-( ;)

And this is how Sylpheed quotes your name :D

'Tommi

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Hi Tommi,

On 2019-11-02 22:29:27, you wrote to me:

Hmmm... :-( ;)

And this is how Sylpheed quotes your name :D

Then I like "WV>" better... Changing the v of van to a capital V is just wrong.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Martin!

** 02.11.19 - 08:31, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

WvV> some quoted text here, line 1 WvV> some quoted text here,
line 2 WvV> some quoted text here, line 3

or,

RvB> some quoted text here, line 1 RvB> some quoted text here,
line 2 RvB> some quoted text here, line 3

Nope, can't reproduce that here, sorry.

My requoting of your reply with the 3-initials in the body, quoted fine.
But this reply is between us who are 2-initals each.


But a message that contains a *previously quoted* 3-initial "original",
gets staggered when re-quoted.

Will experiment some more. Maybe the original problem had to do with how each original line was terminated, or how long each quoted line was originally.


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Hello Wilfred!

** 02.11.19 - 17:07, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

I can work around the problem be re-editing manually, but I simply
avoid striking up a conversation with 3-initial people to save work!

Hmmm... :-( ;)

Heheheh. Clarification... If I would want to join a convo between two people and at least one of them already has 3-initial quoted lines, I
found out that my R)eply would cause those lines to stagger when wrapped.

I guess that I could always just keep one or two lines of a previous
message for the reply. But a whole paragraph would require manual cleanup
to make the block look right.

Otherwise, OXP generates a 3-inital quote prefix (as in this reply) just fine.

A direct reply to a 3-initial person is not to be feared. ;)

A message that already contains 3-intial quotes at a 2nd level seems to be the problem.


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Hello Tommi!

** 02.11.19 - 22:29, Tommi Koivula wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Hmmm... :-( ;)

And this is how Sylpheed quotes your name :D
'Tommi

OXP can generate the 3-initials just fine (and it maintains the letter's case).

The problem I am reporting is the staggering of lines when re-quoting a previously 3-intials-quoted message.


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Hello August!

* 02.11.19 at 17:59, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Names with 3 or more initials such as "Wilfred van Velzen", or
"Rick van Beek" ...
..get staggered, for example:

WvV> some quoted text here, line 1 WvV> some quoted text

here, AA> line 2 WvV> some quoted text here, line 3

Nope, can't reproduce that here, sorry.

Hi Martin.. Hop over to an echo such as TEST or FIDONEWS. You will find more 3-initial names there (most from the euro-zones. Try some test replies in OXP and you will then surely be able to reproduce the problem.
:)

I'd already done that and I say again that I cannot reproduce the
problem.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello August!

* 02.11.19 at 19:38, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

Will experiment some more. Maybe the original problem had to do with how each original line was terminated, or how long each quoted line was originally.

Perhaps you should also have a look at OpenXP's editor settings,
particularly the right margin setting.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Martin!

** 03.11.19 - 09:50, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Perhaps you should also have a look at OpenXP's editor settings,
particularly the right margin setting.

ÚÄ Editor setup ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³ ³
³ Right margin 74 ³
³ ³
³ End of line marker ú  ³
³ ³
³ [x] Auto indent ³
³ [x] Persistent Blocks ³
³ [x] Quote-Reflow ³
³ ³
³ [x] Enable Ctrl-X/C/V ³
³ ³
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ

I believe this is the default. I haven't changed it. What is your
setting?




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Hello Martin!

** 03.11.19 - 09:41, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Hi Martin.. Hop over to an echo such as TEST or FIDONEWS. You will find
more 3-initial names there (most from the euro-zones. Try some test
replies in OXP and you will then surely be able to reproduce the
problem. :)

I'd already done that and I say again that I cannot reproduce the
problem.

MORE info. The problem occurs when doing a block reflow!

Hop over to FIDOTEST. One message to observe the result is this one:

EMP: /FIDO/FIDOTEST
ABS: Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555
BET: High ASCII in Fidonet
MID: 2:280/5555 5dadb8a8

BTW, OXP does a great job generating the 4-letter quote prefix for
"Michiel van der Vlist"

When that message is quoted, there will be two lines that begin with
"MvdV>". When the block is selected and reflowed, the staggering
happens.

Reflow does not have this problem with 2-initial quoted lines.



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Hello August!

* 03.11.19 at 09:28, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Perhaps you should also have a look at OpenXP's editor settings,
particularly the right margin setting.

ÚÄ Editor setup ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³ ³
³ Right margin 74 ³
³ ³
³ End of line marker ú  ³
³ ³
³ [x] Auto indent ³
³ [x] Persistent Blocks ³
³ [x] Quote-Reflow ³
³ ³
³ [x] Enable Ctrl-X/C/V ³
³ ³
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ

I believe this is the default. I haven't changed it. What is your setting?

ÚÄ Editor setup ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³ ³
³ Right margin 70 ³
³ ³
³ End of line marker  ³
³ ³
³ [x] Auto indent ³
³ [x] Persistent Blocks ³
³ [x] Quote-Reflow ³
³ ³
³ [ ] Enable Ctrl-X/C/V ³
³ ³
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ

Regards,
Martin

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Hello August!

* 03.11.19 at 10:07, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Hi Martin.. Hop over to an echo such as TEST or FIDONEWS. You will
find more 3-initial names there (most from the euro-zones. Try some
test replies in OXP and you will then surely be able to reproduce the
problem. :)

I'd already done that and I say again that I cannot reproduce the
problem.

MORE info. The problem occurs when doing a block reflow!

Well, there you go then and thanks for the info :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.40
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Hello August!

* 03.11.19 at 10:07, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Hi Martin.. Hop over to an echo such as TEST or FIDONEWS. You will
find more 3-initial names there (most from the euro-zones. Try some
test replies in OXP and you will then surely be able to reproduce the
problem. :)

I'd already done that and I say again that I cannot reproduce the
problem.

MORE info. The problem occurs when doing a block reflow!

Yep, I've finally managed to reproduce that with "MvdV".

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Wilfred.

<On 02Nov2019 21:50 Wilfred van Velzen (2:280/464) wrote a message to Tommi Koivula regarding Re: oxp: quoting limitation with 3 or more initials >

On 2019-11-02 22:29:27, you wrote to me:

Hmmm... :-( ;)

And this is how Sylpheed quotes your name :D

Then I like "WV>" better... Changing the v of van to a capital V
is just wrong.

Well, as you can see from the tardiness of this reply I am WAY, WAY behind on my reading in Points. ;-(

As you can see, timEd, OS/2, Windows and DOS all quote multi-initials correctly. I've been using it both as a Point and for my regular Node editor for years now.

Best regards,
Marc

... What makes Teflon stick to the pan?
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Hi Marc,

On 2020-01-13 15:46:39, you wrote to me:

Hmmm... :-( ;)

And this is how Sylpheed quotes your name :D

Then I like "WV>" better... Changing the v of van to a capital V
is just wrong.

Well, as you can see from the tardiness of this reply I am WAY, WAY

behind

on my reading in Points. ;-(

As you can see, timEd, OS/2, Windows and DOS all quote multi-initials correctly. I've been using it both as a Point and for my regular Node editor for years now.

Excellent! ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 13/01/2020 8:46 a.m., Marc Lewis : Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

Well, as you can see from the tardiness of this reply I am WAY,
WAY behind on my reading in Points. ;-(

Nothing wrong with that. Most of the time it's not practical to read
and reply to messages every day. A system that keeps messages available
for months (and even years when needing to look up a previous tip or
answer) is very handy.

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