How it started:

Wirth Interview: Java and C# will break on their own weight
Elena Trichina for the ACM on 13 March, 2018 in Zürich, Switzerland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkfqiF46MQ

How its going:

October Headline: C# is getting closer to Java
TIOBE Index for October 2023
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

LoL

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Now I have to recover from a little burn out, caused
by making the Dogelog Player for Java version.
But this version opens a new door, since all that was

done was adding types to the JavaScript version, so
every let variable declaration was replaced by type variable
declaration and so on. But if I am lucky, and if I can

recover and find a nice development environment,
one could do a C# target for Dogelog Player, and even
run Dogelog Player inside some Unity 2D/3D Game

whatever. Doing the C# target is some annonying
monkey work, doesn't need much brain, just translate the
Java into C#. But one has to find the motivation and

resources to do such monkey work. But its definitively
on the to do list, to turn the 3 Amigos (JavaScript, Python
and Java) into 4 Amigos (JavaScript, Python, Java and C#).

Mild Shock schrieb am Freitag, 13. Oktober 2023 um 12:55:59 UTC+2:

How it started:

Wirth Interview: Java and C# will break on their own weight
Elena Trichina for the ACM on 13 March, 2018 in Zürich, Switzerland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkfqiF46MQ

How its going:

October Headline: C# is getting closer to Java
TIOBE Index for October 2023
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

LoL

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Microsoft is so lucky right now, not only C#
has momentum, they can also say Candy Crush
Saga is now their own! LoL

Microsoft’s $69 billion Activision Blizzard takeover approved https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HnkwC4TelM

Mild Shock schrieb am Freitag, 13. Oktober 2023 um 13:01:01 UTC+2:

Now I have to recover from a little burn out, caused
by making the Dogelog Player for Java version.
But this version opens a new door, since all that was

done was adding types to the JavaScript version, so
every let variable declaration was replaced by type variable
declaration and so on. But if I am lucky, and if I can

recover and find a nice development environment,
one could do a C# target for Dogelog Player, and even
run Dogelog Player inside some Unity 2D/3D Game

whatever. Doing the C# target is some annonying
monkey work, doesn't need much brain, just translate the
Java into C#. But one has to find the motivation and

resources to do such monkey work. But its definitively
on the to do list, to turn the 3 Amigos (JavaScript, Python
and Java) into 4 Amigos (JavaScript, Python, Java and C#).
Mild Shock schrieb am Freitag, 13. Oktober 2023 um 12:55:59 UTC+2:

How it started:

Wirth Interview: Java and C# will break on their own weight
Elena Trichina for the ACM on 13 March, 2018 in Zürich, Switzerland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkfqiF46MQ

How its going:

October Headline: C# is getting closer to Java
TIOBE Index for October 2023
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

LoL

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Meanwhile Racket:

#lang yaml-exp racket/base
- define:
- fibbi: [x]
- if:
- <=:
- x
- 1
- x
- +:
- fibbi:
- -:
- x
- 1
- fibbi:
- -:
- x
- 2
- displayln:
- fibbi: [10] https://racket.discourse.group/t/yaml-exp-write-s-expressions-in-yaml/2398

By way of:
https://twitter.com/samth/status/1714478992017756355

LoL

Mild Shock schrieb:

People are flocking to C#
Even the Dutch Governement is using it:

private static string GetPercentageRounds(double percentage)
{
if (percentage == 0)
return "⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.0 && percentage <= 0.1)
return "🔵⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.1 && percentage <= 0.2)
return "🔵🔵⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.2 && percentage <= 0.3)
return "🔵🔵🔵⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.3 && percentage <= 0.4)
return "🔵🔵🔵🔵⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.4 && percentage <= 0.5)
return "🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.5 && percentage <= 0.6)
return "🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵⚪⚪⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.6 && percentage <= 0.7)
return "🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵⚪⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.7 && percentage <= 0.8)
return "🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵⚪⚪";
if (percentage > 0.8 && percentage <= 0.9)
return "🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵⚪";

return "🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵";
}

https://github.com/MinBZK/woo-besluit-broncode-digid-app/blob/ad2737c4a039d5ca76633b81e9d4f3f9370549e4/Source/DigiD.iOS/Services/NFCService.cs#L182

By way of:
https://twitter.com/JeroenFrijters/status/1615204074588180481

LoL

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Just in case this gets censored. I am already
censored on comp.lang.python. But currently
various programming languages just make my day,

first C#, then racket, now python, its infinite LoL:

symbolic link python script Windows versus Linux https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/110896#issuecomment-1769528819

I don't have a Python discourse account, but I
am happy that you discuss the problem elsewhere,
might take a couple of years until the issue has been
elaborated enough including vanity satisfaction,
so closing this ticket right now.

Maybe I am advocating a more straight engineering
approach, and this shows that I am not a Pythonista.
Could be the merrit of Python that it cherishes a
different discussion culture, that then results in
PEPs that don't leave an open questions at all.

Go, go, Python, you are doing good!

P.S.: Or translated: Was thinking there is already a
push underway, fixing the issue, didn't expect a
coffee party.

Mild Shock schrieb:

How it started:

Wirth Interview: Java and C# will break on their own weight
Elena Trichina for the ACM on 13 March, 2018 in Zürich, Switzerland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkfqiF46MQ

How its going:

October Headline: C# is getting closer to Java
TIOBE Index for October 2023
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

LoL

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Wouldn’t it be possible to write such launcher stuff in Python itself. Leading to less code and more uniform semantics? Or is there
a chicken egg problem? Just currious.

Mild Shock schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2023 um 03:22:39 UTC+2:

The discrepancy between Windows and Linux can be located:

On Windows:

if (GetFullPathNameW(path0,
Py_ARRAY_LENGTH(fullpath),
fullpath,
&ptemp)) {

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Python/pathconfig.c#L452

On Linux:

nr = _Py_wreadlink(path0, link, Py_ARRAY_LENGTH(link));

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Python/pathconfig.c#L413

Unfortunately GetFullPathNameW() doesn’t compute a real path,
it only computes a cannonical path. And I am afraid, I cannot suggest a replacement for GetFullPathNameW(), maybe something with

GetFinalPathNameByHandleW()? But now that I have inspected
the source code, I have also doubts about the linux solutions.
Could it be that the linux solutions doesn’t normalize the path?

Might give a different result from the Python os.path.realpath?

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The discrepancy between Windows and Linux can be located:

On Windows:

if (GetFullPathNameW(path0,
Py_ARRAY_LENGTH(fullpath),
fullpath,
&ptemp)) {

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Python/pathconfig.c#L452

On Linux:

nr = _Py_wreadlink(path0, link, Py_ARRAY_LENGTH(link));

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Python/pathconfig.c#L413

Unfortunately GetFullPathNameW() doesn’t compute a real path,
it only computes a cannonical path. And I am afraid, I cannot suggest a replacement for GetFullPathNameW(), maybe something with

GetFinalPathNameByHandleW()? But now that I have inspected
the source code, I have also doubts about the linux solutions.
Could it be that the linux solutions doesn’t normalize the path?

Might give a different result from the Python os.path.realpath?

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Also Python couldn't resolve its symlink issue yet. They
use some fugly #ifdef hell C code that nobody understands
anymore on first sight, even not Python core developers, not to
mention that nobody is able to maintain it.

As a result they have a totally messed up launcher, inconsistent
between Linux and Windows. On the other hand for example in
Dogelog player, since it wants to be 100% Prolog, the launcher is
written in Prolog itself. It is written with the assumption that it
has a full Prolog core available:

% sys_launch
sys_launch :-
current_prolog_flag(argv, L),
sys_launch(L).

% sys_launch(+List)
sys_launch([]) :- % no input script, launch top-level
sys_banner,
sys_toplevel.
sys_launch([H|T]) :- % input script, run it and exit
set_prolog_flag(argv, T),
ensure_loaded(H).

Mild Shock schrieb am Freitag, 27. Oktober 2023 um 23:25:41 UTC+2:

Its 2023 now, and we have ChatGPT, nevertheless some software
still behaves as if the transitor was invented 24 hours ago. Currently
there is a kind of “inconsistency”, since in the top-level I can do:

/* SWI-Prolog 9.1.17, Windows */
?- ensure_loaded('<dir>\\foo\\bar').
true.
But when I use the command line it doesn’t work:

swipl.exe <dir>\\foo\\bar

ERROR: Prolog initialisation failed:
ERROR: file `'<dir>//foo//bar'' does not exist

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Its 2023 now, and we have ChatGPT, nevertheless some software
still behaves as if the transitor was invented 24 hours ago. Currently
there is a kind of “inconsistency”, since in the top-level I can do:

/* SWI-Prolog 9.1.17, Windows */
?- ensure_loaded('<dir>\\foo\\bar').
true.
But when I use the command line it doesn’t work:

swipl.exe <dir>\\foo\\bar

ERROR: Prolog initialisation failed:
ERROR: file `'<dir>//foo//bar'' does not exist

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But having a 100% Prolog written launcher could be
indeed tricky. There might be some chicken egg
problems involved. The approach in Dogelog player
is cross compilation of the launcher into the system.
So you can have any sort of launcher, complex or simple.

For example formerly Jekejeke Prolog has a little bit
more complicated launcher since it has some Prolog
option processing, and it has a hard time to detect whether
an ansi colorable console is connected, so it switches
to coloring when it does the top-level.

Mild Shock schrieb am Freitag, 27. Oktober 2023 um 23:28:16 UTC+2:

Also Python couldn't resolve its symlink issue yet. They
use some fugly #ifdef hell C code that nobody understands
anymore on first sight, even not Python core developers, not to
mention that nobody is able to maintain it.

As a result they have a totally messed up launcher, inconsistent
between Linux and Windows. On the other hand for example in
Dogelog player, since it wants to be 100% Prolog, the launcher is
written in Prolog itself. It is written with the assumption that it
has a full Prolog core available:

% sys_launch
sys_launch :-
current_prolog_flag(argv, L),
sys_launch(L).

% sys_launch(+List)
sys_launch([]) :- % no input script, launch top-level
sys_banner,
sys_toplevel.
sys_launch([H|T]) :- % input script, run it and exit
set_prolog_flag(argv, T),
ensure_loaded(H).
Mild Shock schrieb am Freitag, 27. Oktober 2023 um 23:25:41 UTC+2:

Its 2023 now, and we have ChatGPT, nevertheless some software
still behaves as if the transitor was invented 24 hours ago. Currently there is a kind of “inconsistency”, since in the top-level I can do:

/* SWI-Prolog 9.1.17, Windows */
?- ensure_loaded('<dir>\\foo\\bar').
true.
But when I use the command line it doesn’t work:

swipl.exe <dir>\\foo\\bar

ERROR: Prolog initialisation failed:
ERROR: file `'<dir>//foo//bar'' does not exist

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R.I.P. Niklaus Wirth - 01.01.2024, Age 89 https://ethz.ch/de/news-und-veranstaltungen/eth-news/news/2024/01/der-computerpionier-niklaus-wirth-ist-gestorben.html

Mild Shock schrieb:

How it started:

Wirth Interview: Java and C# will break on their own weight
Elena Trichina for the ACM on 13 March, 2018 in Zürich, Switzerland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkfqiF46MQ

How its going:

October Headline: C# is getting closer to Java
TIOBE Index for October 2023
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

LoL

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Everybody loved him. And thats a solid joke:

"Because Europeans pronounce his name properly,
while Americans pronounce it as "nickel's worth", he is
called by name in Europe and called by value in America."

Maybe even recited by himself from time to time?

Mild Shock schrieb:

R.I.P. Niklaus Wirth - 01.01.2024, Age 89 https://ethz.ch/de/news-und-veranstaltungen/eth-news/news/2024/01/der-computerpionier-niklaus-wirth-ist-gestorben.html

Mild Shock schrieb:

How it started:

Wirth Interview: Java and C# will break on their own weight
Elena Trichina for the ACM on 13 March, 2018 in Zürich, Switzerland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkfqiF46MQ

How its going:

October Headline: C# is getting closer to Java
TIOBE Index for October 2023
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

LoL

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Ok, interesting, he would have made it into age 90 on 15. February https://dev.to/anogneva/day-when-skynet-becomes-self-aware-and-69-reasons-to-chill-out-with-colleagues-part-1-h5h

January 1 — Brian Kernighan's Birthday
January 10 — Donald Ervin Knuth's Birthday
January 14 — Nathaniel Rochester's Birthday
January 31 — Guido van Rossum's Birthday
February 4 — Ken Thompson's Birthday
February 15 — Niklaus Wirth's Birthday
February 22 — Thomas E. Kurtz's Birthday
February 24 — Steve Jobs' Birthday

Mild Shock schrieb:

Everybody loved him. And thats a solid joke:

"Because Europeans pronounce his name properly,
while Americans pronounce it as "nickel's worth", he is
called by name in Europe and called by value in America."

Maybe even recited by himself from time to time?

Mild Shock schrieb:

R.I.P. Niklaus Wirth - 01.01.2024, Age 89
https://ethz.ch/de/news-und-veranstaltungen/eth-news/news/2024/01/der-computerpionier-niklaus-wirth-ist-gestorben.html


Mild Shock schrieb:

How it started:

Wirth Interview: Java and C# will break on their own weight
Elena Trichina for the ACM on 13 March, 2018 in Zürich, Switzerland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkfqiF46MQ

How its going:

October Headline: C# is getting closer to Java
TIOBE Index for October 2023
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

LoL

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