• A plan to liquidate northern Gaza is gaining steam

    From NefeshBarYochai@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 17 22:56:01 2024
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    As Israeli ministers, generals, and academics bay for a decisive new
    phase in the war, this is what Operation Starvation and Extermination
    would look like.

    By Meron Rapoport

    September 17, 2024

    https://www.972mag.com/northern-gaza-liquidation-scenario-eiland-rabi/

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to NefeshBarYochai on Wed Sep 18 10:13:30 2024
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    On 9/17/24 19:56, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    On 9/17/24 19:56, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    As Israeli ministers, generals, and academics bay for a decisive new
    phase in the war,

    Just think of how things would be different if in 1947 the
    Palestinians had accepted the UN and UK offered Partition Plan.
    They would now have had over 75 years progress on their own
    independent and free country. They could have used pipes
    to build irrigation lines rather than rockets. They could
    have used concrete to build resorts and hospitals and schools
    rather than terrorist tunnels. But, no, sadly they sadly decided
    they would not compromise and share the land. They decided
    they needed to have it all for themselves. They decided to
    fight.

    Or, how about if they had decided to accept POTUS Bill Clinton's
    2000 offer?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

    "Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
    where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
    closer to agreement

    Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret
    that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
    being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for
    a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace."
    The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
    Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of
    Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
    Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former
    minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
    that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great
    man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you
    made me one."[60]

    Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were
    taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
    be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]






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  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 18 12:20:32 2024
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    On 9/18/2024 11:13 AM, a425couple wrote:
    In My Life, Clinton wrote that Arafat once complimented Clinton by
    telling him, "You are a great man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great
    man. I am a failure, and you made me one."


    Typical Demotard blaming others for his own inability to articulate and maintain negotiation points.

    Of course his wife is no better, still blaming Trump for her 2016 loss.

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  • From NefeshBarYochai@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 18 20:52:13 2024
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    On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:13:30 -0700, a425couple
    <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/17/24 19:56, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    On 9/17/24 19:56, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    As Israeli ministers, generals, and academics bay for a decisive new
    phase in the war,

    Just think of how things would be different if in 1947 the
    Palestinians had accepted the UN and UK offered Partition Plan.
    They would now have had over 75 years progress on their own
    independent and free country. They could have used pipes
    to build irrigation lines rather than rockets. They could
    have used concrete to build resorts and hospitals and schools
    rather than terrorist tunnels. But, no, sadly they sadly decided
    they would not compromise and share the land. They decided
    they needed to have it all for themselves. They decided to
    fight.


    In 1947, they were asked to sign a treaty giving away to European and
    American Jews half the land they had lived on for generations. If the
    Jewish people needed a homeland, the Allies after WWII should have cut
    off a piece of Germany and given that to them.



    Or, how about if they had decided to accept POTUS Bill Clinton's
    2000 offer?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

    "Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
    where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
    closer to agreement

    Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret
    that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
    being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for
    a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace."
    The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
    Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete >counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of >Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
    Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former >minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
    that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great
    man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you
    made me one."[60]

    Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were
    taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
    be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]







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