• Tinker WriterDesk

    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 18 03:00:44 2025
    From the «write yer next shitty novel» department:
    Title: Tinker WriterDeck OS turns nearly any old laptop into a distraction-free writing machine
    Author: Brad Linder
    Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2025 18:37:35 +0000
    Link: https://liliputing.com/tinker-writerdeck-os-turns-nearly-any-old-laptop-into-a-distraction-free-writing-machine/

    Some of the most interesting gadgets-with-keyboards I’ve seen over the past few
    years have been distraction-free writing devices, or WriterDecks. These devices, which are basically the modern version of the word processors of yesteryear, include purpose-built hardware from companies focused on a niche market as well as DIY solutions. But if you’ve already got an […]

    The post Tinker WriterDeck OS turns nearly any old laptop into a distraction-free writing machine[1] appeared first on Liliputing[2].

    Links:
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    [2]: https://liliputing.com (link)

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 18 05:39:54 2025
    From <https://tinker.sh/#about>:

    The Tinker WriterDeck sits on top of a "headless" Debian Linux
    image and boots directly into a console based text editor. We're
    using the Tilde Text Editor because it is simple text editor, has
    an intuitive User Interface, and allows for customized color
    schemes for light and dark modes.

    Should be possible to customize it to launch something else instead. Like Emacs.

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  • From mm0fmf@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Apr 18 10:07:49 2025
    On 18/04/2025 06:39, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    Like
    Emacs.

    Good man.

    +1

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  • From Anton Shepelev@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 18 14:56:29 2025
    Scott Dorsey:

    FreeDOS would do that nicely.

    Is there any software for FreeDOS that will support
    a laptop display's native resolution? LCDs suck at
    displaying non-native resolutions -- a problem sadly
    ignored or poorly addressed by manu emulators:

    <https://tanalin.com/en/projects/integer-scaler/>

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Apr 18 07:42:13 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    From <https://tinker.sh/#about>:

    The Tinker WriterDeck sits on top of a "headless" Debian Linux
    image and boots directly into a console based text editor. We're
    using the Tilde Text Editor because it is simple text editor, has
    an intuitive User Interface, and allows for customized color
    schemes for light and dark modes.

    Should be possible to customize it to launch something else instead. Like >Emacs.

    FreeDOS would do that nicely.
    --scott
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  • From Anton Shepelev@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 18 20:11:19 2025
    Theo:

    Is there a good TUI word processor, rather than text
    editor? ie something you can do formatting like
    bold/italics, headings, numbered sections, table of
    contents etc, that you can visualise directly in the
    editor?

    I think VDE a great candidate:

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20201011200758/https://sites.google.com/site/vdeeditor/Home/about-vde>

    The site is not fully archived, but you can find VDE
    elsewhere.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Fri Apr 18 17:16:15 2025
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    From the «write yer next shitty novel» department:
    Title: Tinker WriterDeck OS turns nearly any old laptop into a distraction-free writing machine
    Author: Brad Linder
    Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2025 18:37:35 +0000
    Link: https://liliputing.com/tinker-writerdeck-os-turns-nearly-any-old-laptop-into-a-distraction-free-writing-machine/

    Some of the most interesting gadgets-with-keyboards I’ve seen over the past few
    years have been distraction-free writing devices, or WriterDecks. These devices, which are basically the modern version of the word processors of yesteryear, include purpose-built hardware from companies focused on a niche market as well as DIY solutions. But if you’ve already got an […]

    The post Tinker WriterDeck OS turns nearly any old laptop into a distraction-free writing machine[1] appeared first on Liliputing[2].

    That's quite cute. Is there a good TUI word processor, rather than text editor? ie something you can do formatting like bold/italics, headings, numbered sections, table of contents etc, that you can visualise directly in the editor?

    Of course there's Markdown and Latex, but they aren't word processing. I suppose Wordperfect for DOS's 'reveal codes' isn't that different in some
    ways.

    I think WordTsar is an X program, not a TUI one? WordGrinder looks like a proper TUI word processor, any others?

    Did anything like that exist in the days when all you had was a serial line
    and a VT100? Or was it all Latex and troff?

    Theo

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Apr 18 17:40:03 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:39 this Friday (GMT):
    From <https://tinker.sh/#about>:

    The Tinker WriterDeck sits on top of a "headless" Debian Linux
    image and boots directly into a console based text editor. We're
    using the Tilde Text Editor because it is simple text editor, has
    an intuitive User Interface, and allows for customized color
    schemes for light and dark modes.

    Should be possible to customize it to launch something else instead. Like Emacs.


    It says you can open the bash shell, so I'd assume it would be possible.
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Anton Shepelev on Fri Apr 18 21:40:05 2025
    On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 20:11:19 +0300
    Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote:

    Theo:

    Is there a good TUI word processor, rather than text
    editor? ie something you can do formatting like
    bold/italics, headings, numbered sections, table of
    contents etc, that you can visualise directly in the
    editor?

    I think VDE a great candidate:

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20201011200758/https://sites.google.com/site/vdeeditor/Home/about-vde>

    The site is not fully archived, but you can find VDE
    elsewhere.

    1992 vn:
    https://archive.org/details/msdos_VDE_shareware

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Apr 19 00:11:57 2025
    On 18 Apr 2025 17:16:15 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

    Of course there's Markdown and Latex, but they aren't word processing.

    After all the years of WYSIWYG being in fashion, people are
    (re)discovering the benefits of going back to some kind of markup notation
    on top of plain text.

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  • From Ethan Carter@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sat Apr 19 14:03:02 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    On 18 Apr 2025 17:16:15 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

    Of course there's Markdown and Latex, but they aren't word processing.

    After all the years of WYSIWYG being in fashion, people are
    (re)discovering the benefits of going back to some kind of markup notation
    on top of plain text.

    Well observed.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com on Sat Apr 19 13:20:50 2025
    Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey:

    FreeDOS would do that nicely.

    Is there any software for FreeDOS that will support
    a laptop display's native resolution? LCDs suck at
    displaying non-native resolutions -- a problem sadly
    ignored or poorly addressed by manu emulators:

    FreeDOS just sees a text buffer. Everything else is done by the BIOS
    unless you want graphics.
    --scott
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ethan Carter on Mon Apr 21 22:40:03 2025
    Ethan Carter <ec1828@somewhere.edu> wrote at 17:03 this Saturday (GMT):
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    On 18 Apr 2025 17:16:15 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

    Of course there's Markdown and Latex, but they aren't word processing.

    After all the years of WYSIWYG being in fashion, people are
    (re)discovering the benefits of going back to some kind of markup notation >> on top of plain text.

    Well observed.


    I always prefered markdown style, it feels nicer to type with and
    there's no way to mess up the formatting in a unreversable way. Plus, it
    being plaintext makes it so much esaier to work with.
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  • From Ethan Carter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 10:22:51 2025
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
    writes:

    Ethan Carter <ec1828@somewhere.edu> wrote at 17:03 this Saturday (GMT):
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    On 18 Apr 2025 17:16:15 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

    Of course there's Markdown and Latex, but they aren't word processing.

    After all the years of WYSIWYG being in fashion, people are
    (re)discovering the benefits of going back to some kind of markup notation >>> on top of plain text.

    Well observed.


    I always prefered markdown style, it feels nicer to type with and
    there's no way to mess up the formatting in a unreversable way. Plus, it being plaintext makes it so much esaier to work with.

    Of course. But the industry loves to look down on people and claim they
    can't learn a thing.

    There's a paper by Leslie Lamport that says that a document should be /logically/ structured. That's paper 76 on his list on his homepage.
    Although he seems more concerned with mathematical papers, most of the
    ideas surely apply to everything else.

    --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
    ``Document Production: Visual or Logical?'' Notices of the American
    Mathematical Society (June 1987), 621-624.

    ``Richard Palais ran a column on mathematical typesetting in the AMS
    Notices, and he invited me to be guest columnist. This is what I
    wrote--a short exposition of my ideas about producing mathematical
    documents.''
    --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---

    Source:
    https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/document-production.pdf https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/document-production.ps.Z https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/document-production.ps

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Ethan Carter on Wed Apr 23 04:27:32 2025
    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 10:22:51 -0300, Ethan Carter wrote:

    There's a paper by Leslie Lamport that says that a document should be /logically/ structured. That's paper 76 on his list on his homepage. Although he seems more concerned with mathematical papers, most of the
    ideas surely apply to everything else.

    A key thing I find with plain-text-plus-markup is that it can be put into version-control systems and managed collaboratively, just like program
    source code. WYSIWYG document processors may have change tracking, but they’re invariably pretty primitive compared to the branching and merging capabilities of a modern VCS like Git.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Apr 23 19:20:04 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 04:27 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 10:22:51 -0300, Ethan Carter wrote:

    There's a paper by Leslie Lamport that says that a document should be
    /logically/ structured. That's paper 76 on his list on his homepage.
    Although he seems more concerned with mathematical papers, most of the
    ideas surely apply to everything else.

    A key thing I find with plain-text-plus-markup is that it can be put into version-control systems and managed collaboratively, just like program
    source code. WYSIWYG document processors may have change tracking, but they’re invariably pretty primitive compared to the branching and merging capabilities of a modern VCS like Git.


    That goes back to the whole "plain text* works on everything" thing, you
    can grep it for a specific phrase, concatinate pieces together, use
    /any/ text editor (notepad, anyone?), etc.

    *unicode does mess some stuff up but generally compatibility is pretty
    good, and i think theres a special code for embedding a unicode char in
    md
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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Wed Apr 23 15:31:14 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    A key thing I find with plain-text-plus-markup is that it can be put into >version-control systems and managed collaboratively, just like program
    source code. WYSIWYG document processors may have change tracking, but >they're invariably pretty primitive compared to the branching and merging >capabilities of a modern VCS like Git.

    For LaTeX and TeX documents, Overleaf does this nicely and has other document-specific services in addition to those of git or svn.
    --scott

    --scott

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 00:17:47 2025
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 19:20:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    *unicode does mess some stuff up but generally compatibility is pretty
    good, and i think theres a special code for embedding a unicode char in
    md

    I just enter the unicode characters literally.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Apr 25 04:30:04 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:17 this Thursday (GMT):
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 19:20:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    *unicode does mess some stuff up but generally compatibility is pretty
    good, and i think theres a special code for embedding a unicode char in
    md

    I just enter the unicode characters literally.


    Fair, I usually avoid unicode.
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 10:13:09 2025
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 04:30:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Fair, I usually avoid unicode.

    Think of how much you’re missing!

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  • From Ethan Carter@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sat Apr 26 20:47:13 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 10:22:51 -0300, Ethan Carter wrote:

    There's a paper by Leslie Lamport that says that a document should be
    /logically/ structured. That's paper 76 on his list on his homepage.
    Although he seems more concerned with mathematical papers, most of the
    ideas surely apply to everything else.

    A key thing I find with plain-text-plus-markup is that it can be put into version-control systems and managed collaboratively, just like program
    source code. WYSIWYG document processors may have change tracking, but they’re invariably pretty primitive compared to the branching and merging capabilities of a modern VCS like Git.

    In other words, they suck.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Apr 27 06:00:03 2025
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 10:13 this Friday (GMT):
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 04:30:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Fair, I usually avoid unicode.

    Think of how much you’re missing!


    Like what?
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 27 08:47:51 2025
    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 06:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 10:13 this Friday (GMT):

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 04:30:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Fair, I usually avoid unicode.

    Think of how much you’re missing!

    Like what?

    I’d tell you, but then I’d have to 🇪🇺«¡¿£€™©℗»🇺🇳 you.

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  • From Visiblink@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Tue Apr 29 08:01:24 2025
    On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 05:39:54 -0000 (UTC)
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Should be possible to customize it to launch something else instead.
    Like Emacs.

    If you look at the config script on the project's github page, there
    are a few built-in options (like nano) and it would be trivial to
    change the editor to something else.

    If I was going to write in a text editor, I think I'd use "micro,"
    since it has the ctrl-c (cut), ctrl-x (copy), ctrl-v (paste), and
    ctrl-z (undo) shortcuts that I'm accustomed to from contemporary word processors.

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  • From Oregonian Haruspex@21:1/5 to none@invalid.com on Thu May 8 02:12:39 2025
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 18/04/2025 06:39, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    Like
    Emacs.

    Good man.

    +1



    Even very tiny devices can run emacs with a terminal or graphical interface with today’s technology. The ones I’ve seen all seem to be plagued with a crappy screen, crappy keyboard, or both. I would love to have a nice laptop with a real mechanical keyboard and an e-ink screen that boots straight
    into emacs. Ideally it would run from AA batteries like an old Newton eMate which is actually getting popular as a distraction free device. You could probably get something like that to run for weeks with automatic low-power
    idle switching sayif the user doesn’t use the input devices for a set time.

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