I sold my Sound Blaster MCV and must buy another Sound card. I´m looking for MCA Snark Parker , Chip Chat, IBM Audiovation,M-ACPA or something else than Resound cards. If you have one to sell for resonable price please contact me here or by email:
pertsa36 at gmail.com.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 6:45:04 PM UTC-4, Pertti Helander wrote:

I sold my Sound Blaster MCV and must buy another Sound card. I´m looking for MCA Snark Parker , Chip Chat, IBM Audiovation,M-ACPA or something else than Resound cards. If you have one to sell for resonable price please contact me here or by email:

pertsa36 at gmail.com.

Just curious, why not the resound? It's based on the Snarkbarker and it's the best priced card out there. A ChipChat or SoundPiper will go for around $1000. I have a few M-ACPA's and Audiovations and not ready to sell them yet, but when I do I'll
want more than the price of the resound.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

sunnuntai 23. huhtikuuta 2023 klo 11.24.50 UTC+3 lharr...@gmail.com kirjoitti:

On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 6:45:04 PM UTC-4, Pertti Helander wrote:

I sold my Sound Blaster MCV and must buy another Sound card. I´m looking for MCA Snark Parker , Chip Chat, IBM Audiovation,M-ACPA or something else than Resound cards. If you have one to sell for resonable price please contact me here or by email:

pertsa36 at gmail.com.

Just curious, why not the resound? It's based on the Snarkbarker and it's the best priced card out there. A ChipChat or SoundPiper will go for around $1000. I have a few M-ACPA's and Audiovations and not ready to sell them yet, but when I do I'll want

more than the price of the resound.
I must acquiesce to Resound if I can´t find better. I have looked at it and it looks like a selfmade assembly not a factory made MCA card like SnarkParker and others. Still it could work OK. I know that others are very rare and expensive but I have
earlier seen on Ebay few IBM Audiovations and the price was resonable.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

What are the ratings on the reproduction sound cards? Like my understanding is the Resound New Wave reproduction card on eBay is only rated for 8 bit mono stereo or something.

Ultimedia 7-6 was 16 bit which I got working under NT years ago...

I have M-ACPA that worked in Windows 98SE which I believe is a 16 bit card?

Ryan

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Forgive my simplicity and lack of EE reverse but why didn't they copy something better? Like a Sound Piper with it's ES688, yamaha chip and a MCA bus controller of their choice?

Ryan

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

There are two Resound MCA designs:

Resound New Wave MCA - which is a reproduction of the Snark Barker: https://github.com/schlae/snark-barker-mca which is a reproduction of the Sound Blaster MCV
Resound 2 OPL3 MCA - which is a reproduction of the Plaid Bib: https://github.com/schlae/plaid-bib which is a reproduction of the original AdLib

The github pages should give you all relevant information. Also take a look at the compatibility chart - not every PS/2 is working without issues https://github.com/schlae/snark-barker-mca#compatibility - guess that also relates to the original cards.

The original Sound Blaster MCV is a complete 8bit design, moved meaningless from ISA to MCA and had a lot of issues, some of them the redesigns addressed. Stereo was introduced with the SB Pro - so: nope. Technically, the SB MCV is far behind the M-ACPA,
in Software/Compatibility/Drivers terms, both are crappy :]

Stefan

Ryan Alswede schrieb am Montag, 24. April 2023 um 20:37:15 UTC+2:

What are the ratings on the reproduction sound cards? Like my understanding is the Resound New Wave reproduction card on eBay is only rated for 8 bit mono stereo or something.

Ultimedia 7-6 was 16 bit which I got working under NT years ago...

I have M-ACPA that worked in Windows 98SE which I believe is a 16 bit card?

Ryan

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

keskiviikko 26. huhtikuuta 2023 klo 0.18.46 UTC+3 schimmi kirjoitti:

I don't know, maybe lack of chips or a high level of complexity. You always have to ask yourself who is in need of something like that. Also, lots of older cards used PALs/GALs, programmed logic arrays, where you have to know the code inside because

you can't easily read the contents. Guess, the 'original' redesigners of snark barker or plained bib did all the research back then or were open to release their designs, so a redesign was quite easy. IDK, but texelec is surely open for questions like
these.

Stefan
Ryan Alswede schrieb am Dienstag, 25. April 2023 um 23:03:55 UTC+2:

Forgive my simplicity and lack of EE reverse but why didn't they copy something better? Like a Sound Piper with it's ES688, yamaha chip and a MCA bus controller of their choice?

Ryan

Is this M-ACPA better sound card than Resound cards or Snark Parker? I saw two M-ACPaAs on canadian Ebay site. The price was quite fair. Is it useful in 9577?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

I don't know, maybe lack of chips or a high level of complexity. You always have to ask yourself who is in need of something like that. Also, lots of older cards used PALs/GALs, programmed logic arrays, where you have to know the code inside because you
can't easily read the contents. Guess, the 'original' redesigners of snark barker or plained bib did all the research back then or were open to release their designs, so a redesign was quite easy. IDK, but texelec is surely open for questions like these.

Stefan

Ryan Alswede schrieb am Dienstag, 25. April 2023 um 23:03:55 UTC+2:

Forgive my simplicity and lack of EE reverse but why didn't they copy something better? Like a Sound Piper with it's ES688, yamaha chip and a MCA bus controller of their choice?

Ryan

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

From my point of view (I only own a Resound and a M-ACPA), there is no better sound card, its all some kind of a compromise. I cannot speak for the Ultimedia or other models, maybe Ryan can help. I'd recommend, you first figure out what you want to do -
DOS gaming or a bit Windows-Dings and Dongs :] On paper, the M-ACPA is better, yes. But that means nothing in real usage. I also recommend the yt-vid from VWestlife, who documented the usage of a M-ACPA, like remapping the MIDI-Channels and taking care
of a correct audio-out-signal.

Stefan

Pertti Helander schrieb am Dienstag, 25. April 2023 um 23:33:47 UTC+2:

keskiviikko 26. huhtikuuta 2023 klo 0.18.46 UTC+3 schimmi kirjoitti:

I don't know, maybe lack of chips or a high level of complexity. You always have to ask yourself who is in need of something like that. Also, lots of older cards used PALs/GALs, programmed logic arrays, where you have to know the code inside because

you can't easily read the contents. Guess, the 'original' redesigners of snark barker or plained bib did all the research back then or were open to release their designs, so a redesign was quite easy. IDK, but texelec is surely open for questions like
these.

Stefan
Ryan Alswede schrieb am Dienstag, 25. April 2023 um 23:03:55 UTC+2:

Forgive my simplicity and lack of EE reverse but why didn't they copy something better? Like a Sound Piper with it's ES688, yamaha chip and a MCA bus controller of their choice?

Ryan

Is this M-ACPA better sound card than Resound cards or Snark Parker? I saw two M-ACPaAs on canadian Ebay site. The price was quite fair. Is it useful in 9577?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

there is no better sound card, its all some kind of a compromise.

100% agree, it depends on the game or application software you are wanting to use.

The texelec card is all about direct in game Sound Blaster support. I may get one to play with just because. lol.

Ultimedia is great card for apps like Winamp, wav file play and recording audio in Windows NT. It will never be any value in DOS game world because the card's I/O addresses do not line up with any of the values needed for games even if the game
supported WSS.

M-ACPA I haven't played with mine enough yet to see if all the tips and tricks would get it working for DOS games.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:44:16 PM UTC-4, Ryan Alswede wrote:

there is no better sound card, its all some kind of a compromise.

100% agree, it depends on the game or application software you are wanting to use.

The texelec card is all about direct in game Sound Blaster support. I may get one to play with just because. lol.

Ultimedia is great card for apps like Winamp, wav file play and recording audio in Windows NT. It will never be any value in DOS game world because the card's I/O addresses do not line up with any of the values needed for games even if the game

supported WSS.

M-ACPA I haven't played with mine enough yet to see if all the tips and tricks would get it working for DOS games.

As mentioned the SnarkBarker and the Texelec resound are really for DOS gaming. They are reproductions of the SoundBlaster MCV because the design is simple and a single person (TubeTimeUS) was able to reverse engineer the board schematics. Additionally,
the chips that made up the SoundBlaster MCV eventually became pretty much off the shelf parts you can simply order. The other cards are much more complex and likely requires donor boards or some sort of sourcing of proprietary chips.

The M-ACPA and the Audiovation are way better cards but are for Windows and OS/2, though the Audiovation has DOS gaming support (DOS windowed mode only) and you can find hacked together drivers for the M-ACPA, I never got games in DOS windowed mode to
work it would always hang. Also some DOS games don't like windowed mode in general.

Until I picked up my ChipChat for stupid, stupid, STUPID money.... I had both an SnarkBarker AND an Audiovation in my main PS/2 machine. I would setup the SnarkBarker for DOS games and wouldn't install any Creative drivers for Windows, especially
because the Creative Drivers for Windows For Workgroups 3.11 has an issue where you have to fuck around with VMAD.386 to get it work. Mind you the drivers for fine for Windows 3.11, but I wanted network support. I would then Install the Audiovation
drivers for Windows 3.11 and Windows 95.

One other thing, the Resound has some tweaks to it's design produce better sound than the SnarkBarker.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

keskiviikko 26. huhtikuuta 2023 klo 8.23.46 UTC+3 lharr...@gmail.com kirjoitti:

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:44:16 PM UTC-4, Ryan Alswede wrote:

there is no better sound card, its all some kind of a compromise.

100% agree, it depends on the game or application software you are wanting to use.

The texelec card is all about direct in game Sound Blaster support. I may get one to play with just because. lol.

Ultimedia is great card for apps like Winamp, wav file play and recording audio in Windows NT. It will never be any value in DOS game world because the card's I/O addresses do not line up with any of the values needed for games even if the game

supported WSS.

M-ACPA I haven't played with mine enough yet to see if all the tips and tricks would get it working for DOS games.

As mentioned the SnarkBarker and the Texelec resound are really for DOS gaming. They are reproductions of the SoundBlaster MCV because the design is simple and a single person (TubeTimeUS) was able to reverse engineer the board schematics. Additionally,

the chips that made up the SoundBlaster MCV eventually became pretty much off the shelf parts you can simply order. The other cards are much more complex and likely requires donor boards or some sort of sourcing of proprietary chips.

The M-ACPA and the Audiovation are way better cards but are for Windows and OS/2, though the Audiovation has DOS gaming support (DOS windowed mode only) and you can find hacked together drivers for the M-ACPA, I never got games in DOS windowed mode to

work it would always hang. Also some DOS games don't like windowed mode in general.

Until I picked up my ChipChat for stupid, stupid, STUPID money.... I had both an SnarkBarker AND an Audiovation in my main PS/2 machine. I would setup the SnarkBarker for DOS games and wouldn't install any Creative drivers for Windows, especially

because the Creative Drivers for Windows For Workgroups 3.11 has an issue where you have to fuck around with VMAD.386 to get it work. Mind you the drivers for fine for Windows 3.11, but I wanted network support. I would then Install the Audiovation
drivers for Windows 3.11 and Windows 95.

One other thing, the Resound has some tweaks to it's design produce better sound than the SnarkBarker.

When I get my 9577 I will install win3.11 and OS/2 or Warp3 to it. It has now only DOS6.22. I don´t want to play any DOS games and want only to listen music or
play some old windows games like solitaire. So should I buy an M-ACPA or Audiovation instead of Teletex cards?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

M-ACPA would be my vote if you are wanting to listen to music.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Purchased one of the MCA Sound Blaster knock offs from flee-Bay for fun. Every time it plays a sound in windows NT it goes pop at the end. Anybody else had that problem?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Ended up returning the Resound New Wave MCA card. The rear brackets are made wrong and break.

SO much promise but so disappointing.

Games I tried in Dos 6.22
Raptor Call of the Shadows (tried multiple combinations of sound blaster settings, nothing but lock ups or no music)
Duke Nuke 3D ver 1.3d (LGR I believe on youtube got Atomic working)
Simcity (1989) (no sound)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

lauantai 13. toukokuuta 2023 klo 6.27.36 UTC+3 Ryan Alswede kirjoitti:

Ended up returning the Resound New Wave MCA card. The rear brackets are made wrong and break.

SO much promise but so disappointing.

Games I tried in Dos 6.22
Raptor Call of the Shadows (tried multiple combinations of sound blaster settings, nothing but lock ups or no music)
Duke Nuke 3D ver 1.3d (LGR I believe on youtube got Atomic working)
Simcity (1989) (no sound)

That is a shame. Lucky I didn´t order it.
I ordered and paid a M-ACPA sound adapter from Germany on Ebay.
When it comes I will install it to my 9577. Lets see how it works.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Hi, nice, but please keep that in mind ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkk0YW_qd-Y&t=129s

Stefan

Pertti Helander schrieb am Samstag, 13. Mai 2023 um 09:53:38 UTC+2:

lauantai 13. toukokuuta 2023 klo 6.27.36 UTC+3 Ryan Alswede kirjoitti:

Ended up returning the Resound New Wave MCA card. The rear brackets are made wrong and break.

SO much promise but so disappointing.

Games I tried in Dos 6.22
Raptor Call of the Shadows (tried multiple combinations of sound blaster settings, nothing but lock ups or no music)
Duke Nuke 3D ver 1.3d (LGR I believe on youtube got Atomic working) Simcity (1989) (no sound)

That is a shame. Lucky I didn´t order it.
I ordered and paid a M-ACPA sound adapter from Germany on Ebay.
When it comes I will install it to my 9577. Lets see how it works.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

keskiviikko 24. toukokuuta 2023 klo 1.54.48 UTC+3 schimmi kirjoitti:

Hi, nice, but please keep that in mind ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkk0YW_qd-Y&t=129s

Stefan
Pertti Helander schrieb am Samstag, 13. Mai 2023 um 09:53:38 UTC+2:

lauantai 13. toukokuuta 2023 klo 6.27.36 UTC+3 Ryan Alswede kirjoitti:

Ended up returning the Resound New Wave MCA card. The rear brackets are made wrong and break.

SO much promise but so disappointing.

Games I tried in Dos 6.22
Raptor Call of the Shadows (tried multiple combinations of sound blaster settings, nothing but lock ups or no music)
Duke Nuke 3D ver 1.3d (LGR I believe on youtube got Atomic working) Simcity (1989) (no sound)

That is a shame. Lucky I didn´t order it.
I ordered and paid a M-ACPA sound adapter from Germany on Ebay.
When it comes I will install it to my 9577. Lets see how it works.

Thank you Stefan for sharing this youtube video! I will watch it and install all drivers for my new M-ACPA.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

I will watch it and install all drivers for my new M-ACPA.

Be warned on Windows 98 SE after installing the Windows 3.1 drivers from the ardent tool, the card works great but the processor driver corrupts windows plug and play process after. I've tried twice in my Modal 90 and both times the plug and play
crashes the machine now when it scans for new devices.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

keskiviikko 24. toukokuuta 2023 klo 19.05.12 UTC+3 Ryan Alswede kirjoitti:

I will watch it and install all drivers for my new M-ACPA.

Be warned on Windows 98 SE after installing the Windows 3.1 drivers from the ardent tool, the card works great but the processor driver corrupts windows plug and play process after. I've tried twice in my Modal 90 and both times the plug and play

crashes the machine now when it scans for new devices.
I installed M-ACPA to my 9577 that runs Win95b. I did it with Peter´s quide in Andent tools. That went well but where I find Microsoft MCI and CD-Audio (Mediaplayer)? And I must dig somewhere my old speakers to listen music. I must change my ethernet
adapter someday and hope that the same doesn´t happen that Ryan has.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

I must change my ethernet adapter someday and hope that the same doesn´t happen that Ryan has.

I think it may just be a 98SE issue.

You can add features to windows under add and remove programs. See if it has it there for media applications.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

I see that Pertti bought a M-ACPA, but if anyone else is looking for a Microchannel sound card, I was planning to put my SoundPiper 16 on eBay as an auction and let the vultures bite each other over it, but I'd rather sell it to one of our community.
Does USD$100 plus shipping (from Vestal, NY USA) seem fair? If yes, and you want it, send an e-mail to ekblaw at juno dot com. I can even include the 4-pin audio cable (which is not the Piper original, it's IBM P/N 6062148).

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

RickE <ekblaw@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

I see that Pertti bought a M-ACPA, but if anyone else is looking for a Microchannel sound card, I was planning to put my SoundPiper 16 on eBay
as an auction and let the vultures bite each other over it, but I'd
rather sell it to one of our community. Does USD$100 plus shipping (from Vestal, NY USA) seem fair? If yes, and you want it, send an e-mail to
ekblaw at juno dot com. I can even include the 4-pin audio cable (which
is not the Piper original, it's IBM P/N 6062148).

Email sent

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

SoundPiper 16

Email sent with offer.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

I've received five responses so far, since there's only one card on offer, I did a random drawing and Ryan is the winner. Thanks to all for your interest!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

RickE <ekblaw@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

I've received five responses so far, since there's only one card on
offer, I did a random drawing and Ryan is the winner. Thanks to all for your interest!

Congrats Ryan!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Congrats Ryan!

Way cool! Usually never win anything. :-)

Does anyone know what the ESS688 chipset is equivalent to for DOS games? Sound Blaster Pro compatibility and setting??

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)