The hard drive light eventually just goes out and it sits there, doing nothing. I have hoovered the inside and reseated the ribbon cables and
the video card. No change.
Suggestions welcome.
In message <59a88fb0e9tim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:
The hard drive light eventually just goes out and it sits there,
doing nothing. I have hoovered the inside and reseated the ribbon
cables and the video card. No change.
Suggestions welcome.
Have you tried pressing escape repeatably after the start up beep or
holding shift on start up to over rule any attempted boot sequence
being run on a faulty hard drive.
If this works then swap the hard drives around and use the other one as
you mentioned you had two drives.
Failing that perhaps check for the correct PSU voltages.
The one other thing I found is that the unplugging the terminator block
on the USB motherboard connector? and then reinserting it cured an
issue when mine failed to start up.
Hope this helps.
Hmm. In daily use, I tried switching on my Iyonix this morning and it's determined not to start up!
I have tried restarting it a 'million' times and each time a hard drive chitters a little (it has 2) while the CD rom light goes out, the Floppy light never comes on; there's no display and the keyboard lights don't
come on.
The hard drive light eventually just goes out and it sits there, doing nothing. I have hoovered the inside and reseated the ribbon cables and
the video card. No change.
Suggestions welcome.
In message <59a88fb0e9tim@invalid.org.uk>
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
Hmm. In daily use, I tried switching on my Iyonix this morning
and it's determined not to start up!
I have tried restarting it a 'million' times and each time a hard
drive chitters a little (it has 2) while the CD rom light goes
out, the Floppy light never comes on; there's no display and the
keyboard lights don't come on.
The hard drive light eventually just goes out and it sits there,
doing nothing. I have hoovered the inside and reseated the ribbon
cables and the video card. No change.
Sounds like a PSU issue to me, Iyonix power supplies are apparently
somewhat flaky.
Or one of the hard drives is on its way out.
In message <59a88fb0e9tim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:
Hmm. In daily use, I tried switching on my Iyonix this morning and
it's determined not to start up!
I have tried restarting it a 'million' times and each time a hard
drive chitters a little (it has 2) while the CD rom light goes out,
the Floppy light never comes on; there's no display and the keyboard
lights don't come on.
The hard drive light eventually just goes out and it sits there,
doing nothing. I have hoovered the inside and reseated the ribbon
cables and the video card. No change.
Suggestions welcome.
Sounds like a PSU issue to me, Iyonix power supplies are apparently
somewhat flaky.
Or one of the hard drives is on its way out.
If it is the PSU, I have a new and unused one for the original
(classic?) Iyonix and I am open to offers.
Update.
I noticed that the Network card is getting power and poking around with a meter seems to give 12.2V and 5.2V where it should except the USB is
getting no power at all. The floppy (which is also attached to the PCI
USB card) doesn't ever do its start-up grind and flash thing but has
power. There's no progress to any screen output.
Then I remembered why I've had my mouse and keyboard plugged into the
front panel for a while (years) as the rear sockets seemed once a little flaky. I think the USB card must be finally kaput so just re-mortgaging
my house for a second-hand one. ;-)
Hmm. In daily use, I tried switching on my Iyonix this morning and it's determined not to start up!
I have tried restarting it a 'million' times and each time a hard drive chitters a little (it has 2) while the CD rom light goes out, the
Floppy light never comes on; there's no display and the keyboard lights
don't come on.
The hard drive light eventually just goes out and it sits there, doing nothing. I have hoovered the inside and reseated the ribbon cables and
the video card. No change.
Suggestions welcome.
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
Update.
I noticed that the Network card is getting power and poking around
with a meter seems to give 12.2V and 5.2V where it should except the
USB is getting no power at all. The floppy (which is also attached to
the PCI USB card) doesn't ever do its start-up grind and flash thing
but has power. There's no progress to any screen output.
Can you try power up without the USB card?
When you say the floppy is attached to the USB card, you mean the power
cable for the floppy?
I'm not sure if the power for the USB ports is software controlled, so
no booting would mean no USB power - doesn't necessarily mean the USB
card is toast.
I'm not sure if the power for the USB ports is software controlled,
so no booting would mean no USB power - doesn't necessarily mean the
USB card is toast.
UPDATE: a replacement USB card has cured the problem so seems it was
toast.
In article <59ab1e562dtim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not sure if the power for the USB ports is software controlled,
so no booting would mean no USB power - doesn't necessarily mean the
USB card is toast.
UPDATE: a replacement USB card has cured the problem so seems it was
toast.
UPDATE update: It worked for two days. Now back with the same fault. If I
had an upstairs, I'd defenestrate it.
So, what's the best way to get data off the two 120 GB Iyonix hard drives which doesn't involve reviving the Iyonix?
In message <59ac3c09ectim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:
In article <59ab1e562dtim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not sure if the power for the USB ports is software controlled,
so no booting would mean no USB power - doesn't necessarily mean the
USB card is toast.
UPDATE: a replacement USB card has cured the problem so seems it was
toast.
UPDATE update: It worked for two days. Now back with the same fault. If
I had an upstairs, I'd defenestrate it.
So, what's the best way to get data off the two 120 GB Iyonix hard
drives which doesn't involve reviving the Iyonix?
Can you borrow a PSU for a few days while you move stuff off. Or maybe a another machine that can handle your harddrives.
UPDATE update: It worked for two days. Now back with the same fault. If I
had an upstairs, I'd defenestrate it.
So, what's the best way to get data off the two 120 GB Iyonix hard drives which doesn't involve reviving the Iyonix?
In message <59ac3c09ectim@invalid.org.uk>
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
So, what's the best way to get data off the two 120 GB Iyonix
hard drives which doesn't involve reviving the Iyonix?
Can you borrow a PSU for a few days while you move stuff off. Or
maybe a another machine that can handle your harddrives.
UPDATE update: It worked for two days. Now back with the same fault. If I
had an upstairs, I'd defenestrate it.
So, what's the best way to get data off the two 120 GB Iyonix hard drives which doesn't involve reviving the Iyonix?
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
UPDATE update: It worked for two days. Now back with the same fault. If I had an upstairs, I'd defenestrate it.
So, what's the best way to get data off the two 120 GB Iyonix hard drives which doesn't involve reviving the Iyonix?
A USB to IDE (PATA) case, plugged into a more recent RISC OS machine (Raspberry Pi perhaps)?
I've never tried that, but it sounds completely plausible. My RasPi
that I'm using to write this has a SATA SSD connected via a SATA-USB
adapter. It has proved completely reliable for some years now. I
don't see any reason in principle why a PATA-USB version shouldn't
be just as good.
Always make sure that enough power is available for all parts of the
system at all times, including disc spin-up!
In article <59ac4741f3News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>, Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
When my Iyonix mb failed I used an IDE to USB convertor to copy
all the data from my two drives to my NAS, using a RPi3. Worked a
treat ... though it did take a while.
That may have to be the ultimate solution. Thanks for confirmation
that it works.
When my Iyonix mb failed I used an IDE to USB convertor to copy all the
data from my two drives to my NAS, using a RPi3. Worked a treat ...
though it did take a while.
In article <59ad3fb519tim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
In article <59ac4741f3News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>, Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
When my Iyonix mb failed I used an IDE to USB convertor to copy all
the data from my two drives to my NAS, using a RPi3. Worked a treat
... though it did take a while.
That may have to be the ultimate solution. Thanks for confirmation
that it works.
Tim, did you receive the two emails I sent to you this morning? Martin
In article <59ad445011News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>, Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
Tim, did you receive the two emails I sent to you this morning?
Martin
I have not. This email address is a black hole so please try
tim(at)timil.com instead.
In article <59aebd7ed2tim@invalid.org.uk>,
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
My concern is that there's nothing wrong with the network i/f card but there's a fault on the motherboard. Removing PCI cards previously hadn't helped.
Update: another morning wasted. Re-siting the iyonix back in my study and
the same fault has re-appeared and it won't effing boot again.
T.
In article <59aebd7ed2tim@invalid.org.uk>,
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
My concern is that there's nothing wrong with the network i/f card but
there's a fault on the motherboard. Removing PCI cards previously hadn't
helped.
Update: another morning wasted. Re-siting the iyonix back in my study and
the same fault has re-appeared and it won't effing boot again.
My concern is that there's nothing wrong with the network i/f card but there's a fault on the motherboard. Removing PCI cards previously hadn't helped.
In article <59aebd7ed2tim@invalid.org.uk>,
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
My concern is that there's nothing wrong with the network i/f card but there's a fault on the motherboard. Removing PCI cards previously hadn't helped.
Update: another morning wasted. Re-siting the iyonix back in my study and
the same fault has re-appeared and it won't effing boot again.
In message <59b3f69aa3tim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:
In article <59aebd7ed2tim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
My concern is that there's nothing wrong with the network i/f card
but there's a fault on the motherboard. Removing PCI cards
previously hadn't helped.
Update: another morning wasted. Re-siting the iyonix back in my study
and the same fault has re-appeared and it won't effing boot again.
Sounds like time for a Raspberry Pi to replace the Iyonix.
In message <59b3f69aa3tim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:
In article <59aebd7ed2tim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
My concern is that there's nothing wrong with the network i/f card
but there's a fault on the motherboard. Removing PCI cards
previously hadn't helped.
Update: another morning wasted. Re-siting the iyonix back in my study
and the same fault has re-appeared and it won't effing boot again.
The Iyonix is known to be unduly sensitive by design to the exact
supply voltage and to temperature.
The supply voltage needs to be not just within normal tolerance, but
within a range specific to Iyonix. Dunno which rails(s) is/are to
blame, but I was glad to abandon my Iyonix years ago for something
smaller, faster, cheaper, and above all more reliable.
In article <3655f9b359.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
Sounds like time for a Raspberry Pi to replace the Iyonix.
I'm already using a Pi3 alongside it. The Iyonix' main use was to run Webjames which doesn't seem stable on anything newer.
In article <926605b459.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
but I was glad to abandon my Iyonix years ago for something
smaller, faster, cheaper, and above all more reliable.
Yes, I think it may be destined for recycling. To be fair, it's been
running non-stop almost since new.
On 01/02/2022 17:05, Tim Hill wrote:
In article <3655f9b359.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
Sounds like time for a Raspberry Pi to replace the Iyonix.
I'm already using a Pi3 alongside it. The Iyonix' main use was to run Webjames which doesn't seem stable on anything newer.
I recommend getting a Pi 4B to run RISC OS, it vastly faster than the
Iyonix, and a good 3-4x as fast as the 3B. Put Raspbian on the 3B and
use it to run a proper web server such as apache or nginx instead of WebJames.
I recommend getting a Pi 4B to run RISC OS, it vastly faster than the
Iyonix, and a good 3-4x as fast as the 3B. Put Raspbian on the 3B and
use it to run a proper web server such as apache or nginx instead of WebJames.
Thanks and, oh, how you read my mind.
Can't find a Pi4B in stock! Anyone got a spare?!?
Raspbian on the Pi2 upgraded and Nginx with PHP up and running.
Have to say: the new Raspberry Pi Imager is a great piece of software and makes burning uSD cards as simple as pi.
In article <3655f9b359.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
In message <59b3f69aa3tim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:
In article <59aebd7ed2tim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
My concern is that there's nothing wrong with the network i/f card
but there's a fault on the motherboard. Removing PCI cards previously hadn't helped.
Update: another morning wasted. Re-siting the iyonix back in my study
and the same fault has re-appeared and it won't effing boot again.
Sounds like time for a Raspberry Pi to replace the Iyonix.
I'm already using a Pi3 alongside it. The Iyonix' main use was to run Webjames which doesn't seem stable on anything newer.
I'm already using a Pi3 alongside it. The Iyonix' main use was to run Webjames which doesn't seem stable on anything newer.
That's funny. I run WebJames as the web server for my heating control system, on a headless RasPi, but in fairness it's either a 1 or a 2 (I
can't remember).
After a bit of ferreting about on the WWW, I think you may be referring
to the 2007 version of WebJames. I'm running the 2013 version, but
there is also a 2016 version (of the RunImage, in both cases). Guess
what I'm about to try...
Get yourself a FOURTress
http://www.pihard.co.uk/shop.htm
In article <79b283b459.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
I'm already using a Pi3 alongside it. The Iyonix' main use was to run Webjames which doesn't seem stable on anything newer.
That's funny. I run WebJames as the web server for my heating control system, on a headless RasPi, but in fairness it's either a 1 or a 2 (I can't remember).
[s]
Yes, it used to run on an old Pi with an oldish version of RISC OS but
seems not to like later versions than about 5.18 which is why it's still on my old Iyonix.
It's better than Nginx though, which is slower and can't cope with includes when PHP files don't have a .php extension. I wonder how much more time I will spend trawling "bulletin boards" trying to find a solution that works?
After a bit of ferreting about on the WWW, I think you may be referring
to the 2007 version of WebJames. I'm running the 2013 version, but there is also a 2016 version (of the RunImage, in both cases). Guess what I'm about to try...
I think I have tried every version I could find but may try again on a
fresh install of 5.28 on the Pi if I can't overcome the extension issue
with nginx or Apache.
Can't find a Pi4B in stock! Anyone got a spare?!?
My WebJames is running on RO 5.29 from last April (I really should
update it, but if it ain't broke...) but I don't use PHP. All my
HTML is generated by BASIC.
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
Can't find a Pi4B in stock! Anyone got a spare?!?
https://rpilocator.com/
(there was some Pi4 stock available yesterday, seemingly not today. Keep clicking refresh, or watch their Twitter)
Theo, on 3 Feb, wrote:
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
Can't find a Pi4B in stock! Anyone got a spare?!?
https://rpilocator.com/
(there was some Pi4 stock available yesterday, seemingly not today. Keep clicking refresh, or watch their Twitter)
https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b
In article <ff32aab459.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
My WebJames is running on RO 5.29 from last April (I really should update it, but if it ain't broke...) but I don't use PHP. All my HTML is generated by BASIC.
On the fly in some way, or do you create them first and then serve static pages?
Yes, it used to run on an old Pi with an oldish version of RISC OS but
seems not to like later versions than about 5.18 which is why it's still
on my old Iyonix.
It's better than Nginx though, which is slower and can't cope with
includes when PHP files don't have a .php extension. I wonder how much
more time I will spend trawling "bulletin boards" trying to find a
solution that works?
On 02/02/2022 18:40, Tim Hill wrote:
Yes, it used to run on an old Pi with an oldish version of RISC OS
but seems not to like later versions than about 5.18 which is why
it's still on my old Iyonix.
It's better than Nginx though, which is slower and can't cope with
includes when PHP files don't have a .php extension. I wonder how
much more time I will spend trawling "bulletin boards" trying to find
a solution that works?
I hate to say this, but if WebJames in BASIC on RISC OS is faster than
nginx on Linux, you are doing something wrong.
What is the issue adding a .php extension? If you've got your mimemap
set up, it should automatically gain the extension when copied from
RISC OS.
In article <stk3ir$b9n$1@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
I hate to say this, but if WebJames in BASIC on RISC OS is faster than
nginx on Linux, you are doing something wrong.
I did wonder but it's okay once it's woken up. There's a definite lag if
it hasn't been used for a while. Often it's just the first page that
seems slow. Perhaps it's the interaction with the NAS.
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
Can't find a Pi4B in stock! Anyone got a spare?!?
https://rpilocator.com/
(there was some Pi4 stock available yesterday, seemingly not today. Keep clicking refresh, or watch their Twitter)
On 05/02/2022 14:24, Tim Hill wrote:
In article <stk3ir$b9n$1@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk>
wrote:
I hate to say this, but if WebJames in BASIC on RISC OS is faster
than nginx on Linux, you are doing something wrong.
I did wonder but it's okay once it's woken up. There's a definite lag
if it hasn't been used for a while. Often it's just the first page
that seems slow. Perhaps it's the interaction with the NAS.
If your NAS has hard drives which spin down, the there will be a second
or too delay, so I would not serve files from there. If you haven't
already, get a small SSD for the Pi to use as the boot disc and web
store.
In article <59b4744077Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
Get yourself a FOURTress
http://www.pihard.co.uk/shop.htm
Sadly not. I already have those things that come as 'extras' from
previous Pies.
In article <59b490d997tim@invalid.org.uk>,
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
In article <59b4744077Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
Get yourself a FOURTress
http://www.pihard.co.uk/shop.htm
Sadly not. I already have those things that come as 'extras' from
previous Pies.
At the end of a fruitless search for a naked Pi4B I came back to this and have gone down the FOURtress route as who doesn't want a smart metal case with an SSHD, a fan and standard HDMI sockets? How great it is being able
to have an EDOS machine that runs RISC OS quickly which can also play
YouTube in a browser. You just have to re-boot into Linux (just a couple
of clicks from RISC OS) to do that.
Thanks to Andy at RISCOSbits for great customer support.
In article <59bbc783actim@invalid.org.uk>,
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
In article <59b490d997tim@invalid.org.uk>,
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
In article <59b4744077Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
Get yourself a FOURTress
http://www.pihard.co.uk/shop.htm
Sadly not. I already have those things that come as 'extras'
from previous Pies.
At the end of a fruitless search for a naked Pi4B I came back to
this and have gone down the FOURtress route as who doesn't want a
smart metal case with an SSHD, a fan and standard HDMI sockets?
How great it is being able to have an EDOS machine that runs RISC
OS quickly which can also play YouTube in a browser. You just
have to re-boot into Linux (just a couple of clicks from RISC OS)
to do that.
Thanks to Andy at RISCOSbits for great customer support.
Glad you are pleased with it, I love mine.
Glad you are pleased with it, I love mine.
How much does the fan run and how much noise does it make?
In article <59bbcffd3fbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
Glad you are pleased with it, I love mine.
How much does the fan run and how much noise does it make?
Set on "Auto" it runs when required. Apart from that you can chose high. medium, low and off. Mine sits directly on top of my monitor about a
12-15" from my face and I don't consider noise an issue.
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