I really don't know why I even bother with these anymore. I guess it's
just because the games are there. It's hard for me to resist free,
even when it's obvious crap.
Oh well. What do we have this month, Amazon? I'm sure you'll wow me
with both the quality and quantity of your selection, right?*
* APICO
An Indie 'bee-keeping' simulator with Zelda-esque
graphics. Not the worst thing in the world, but hardly
the sort of idea that makes anyone rush out to play it.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 18:23:32 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
I really don't know why I even bother with these anymore. I guess it'sLove the "genres" on this: Simulator.
just because the games are there. It's hard for me to resist free,
even when it's obvious crap.
Oh well. What do we have this month, Amazon? I'm sure you'll wow me
with both the quality and quantity of your selection, right?*
* APICO
An Indie 'bee-keeping' simulator with Zelda-esque
graphics. Not the worst thing in the world, but hardly
the sort of idea that makes anyone rush out to play it.
Wait. What? Does anyone even know what a simulation is any more?
Am 16.01.24 um 16:35 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
Genres have become so mis-applied these days that they're practicallyAdventure game is as well mishandled, every jump and run game nowadays
useless, but simulation is one of the worst.
is labeled as adventure game!
Technically any game with a story is an "adventure" from point A to B.
Genres have become so mis-applied these days that they're practically useless, but simulation is one of the worst.Adventure game is as well mishandled, every jump and run game nowadays
Am 17.01.24 um 16:40 schrieb candycanearter07:
Technically any game with a story is an "adventure" from point A to B.
By that definition the 8 bit strip poker game is also an adventure, the
story is to get the opponend out of her cloths and it is explained by
the remarks you are getting from your opponent!
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:30:14 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Love the "genres" on this: Simulator.
Wait. What? Does anyone even know what a simulation is any more?
But too often a game gets assigned EVERY genre just because marketing
hopes that will attract people who might otherwise overlook the game.
It's become a tool of advertising rather than a useful qualifier.
Bah. Not like it was in the old days. Now, get off my lawn! ;-)
Am 16.01.24 um 16:35 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
Genres have become so mis-applied these days that they're practicallyAdventure game is as well mishandled, every jump and run game nowadays
useless, but simulation is one of the worst.
is labeled as adventure game!
Oh well. Can we have a "what makes an RPG" discussion? It's more >entertaining. I'll start...
"Bioshock, despite adding RPG elements, is not an RPG. It's an FPS."
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 12:46:43 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Oh well. Can we have a "what makes an RPG" discussion? It's more
entertaining. I'll start...
"Bioshock, despite adding RPG elements, is not an RPG. It's an FPS."
I never played Bioshock but I did play both System Shocks. I always
called them 'FPS games with RPG elements.'' So based on that, I am
going to guess that I would agree with you about Bioshock.
Well, there goes our flame war....
And that's it. Remember the days when Amazon would drop a dozen games
on us a month, which - while many of them were older titles - they
were at least games you'd have heard of? It seems those days are long
gone.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:36:20 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Werner P. wrote:
Am 16.01.24 um 16:35 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
Genres have become so mis-applied these days that they're practicallyAdventure game is as well mishandled, every jump and run game nowadays
useless, but simulation is one of the worst.
is labeled as adventure game!
You should see how many edits I have to make to Steam's "dynamic
categories." I had to build "adventure/puzzle" from scratch. It literally could not do it.
And I call The Talos Principle adventure. You explore a locale where
there are puzzles, solve the puzzles, and when you do that you are given access to new locales. It's not a Sierra point-and-click, but it follows
the same basic "principle" (see what I did there?)
Guess what genre isn't associated with it? Adventure. At least it has "action-adventure" on its list, which it definitely isn't. It also has "walking simulator" associated, which apparently has been foist upon it
by people with untreated ADHD.
Oh well. Can we have a "what makes an RPG" discussion? It's more entertaining. I'll start...
"Bioshock, despite adding RPG elements, is not an RPG. It's an FPS."
Well as you mentioned RPG's I'll give it a go, no flames wars plaease :-)
Possibly my annoyance is being a TT RPG player you kinda know what
you're getting if something is described as a RPG. Pop on Steam and XCom
is listed under the RPG category. I happen to like XCom but I'd rather
it didn't clutter up the RPG category.
On 17/01/2024 18:46, Zaghadka wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:36:20 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Werner P. wrote:
Am 16.01.24 um 16:35 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
Genres have become so mis-applied these days that they're practicallyAdventure game is as well mishandled, every jump and run game nowadays
useless, but simulation is one of the worst.
is labeled as adventure game!
You should see how many edits I have to make to Steam's "dynamic
categories." I had to build "adventure/puzzle" from scratch. It literally
could not do it.
And I call The Talos Principle adventure. You explore a locale where
there are puzzles, solve the puzzles, and when you do that you are given
access to new locales. It's not a Sierra point-and-click, but it follows
the same basic "principle" (see what I did there?)
Guess what genre isn't associated with it? Adventure. At least it has
"action-adventure" on its list, which it definitely isn't. It also has
"walking simulator" associated, which apparently has been foist upon it
by people with untreated ADHD.
Oh well. Can we have a "what makes an RPG" discussion? It's more
entertaining. I'll start...
"Bioshock, despite adding RPG elements, is not an RPG. It's an FPS."
I think that's the problem I have, if you start making categories so
broad then they become useless and Steam will start giving me silly
results. My example is Shadow Gambit were the vast majority of user tags
are either just wrong (IMHO), are stretching definitions almost to
breaking point or are technically correct but basically irrelevant.
Well as you mentioned RPG's I'll give it a go, no flames wars plaease :-)
Possibly my annoyance is being a TT RPG player you kinda know what
you're getting if something is described as a RPG. Pop on Steam and XCom
is listed under the RPG category. I happen to like XCom but I'd rather
it didn't clutter up the RPG category.
I do find it silly you can't define your own tags on steam.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 11:32:00 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
Well as you mentioned RPG's I'll give it a go, no flames wars plaease :-)
Possibly my annoyance is being a TT RPG player you kinda know what
you're getting if something is described as a RPG. Pop on Steam and XCom
is listed under the RPG category. I happen to like XCom but I'd rather
it didn't clutter up the RPG category.
X-COM is a game I put in the strategy game category. I can define it
further by calling it a squad level tactical war game. I put it in the
same category as Jagged Alliance. JA has also been called an RPG,
though never by me.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 11:32:00 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
Well as you mentioned RPG's I'll give it a go, no flames wars plaease :-)
Possibly my annoyance is being a TT RPG player you kinda know what
you're getting if something is described as a RPG. Pop on Steam and XCom
is listed under the RPG category. I happen to like XCom but I'd rather
it didn't clutter up the RPG category.
X-COM is a game I put in the strategy game category. I can define it
further by calling it a squad level tactical war game. I put it in the
same category as Jagged Alliance. JA has also been called an RPG,
though never by me.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:35:21 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 1/15/2024 3:23 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
And that's it. Remember the days when Amazon would drop a dozen games
on us a month, which - while many of them were older titles - they
were at least games you'd have heard of? It seems those days are long
gone.
I think they mostly moved the good ones to a free month on Luna with
prime as they're pushing that. The one this month is
Control: Ultimate Edition
That's not a free game. That's an extended demo period. Therefore, not eligible to be included in my 'free games' posts.
Maybe I'll announce them if I ever do "games now temporarily available
so long as the provider is in a good mood" posts.
;-)
Bioshock has role-playing elements? Where? It has no stats. It has no >experience levels. You don't get to pick your dialogue choices. You
don't get to pick your character. The hero's effectiveness in battle
is completely based on the player's skill (if you're good at FPS
games, you can drop the enemies quite easily. If not, every battle
leaves the hero a battered mess. But the character's skill is never
taken into account in determining the outcome). Is Bioshock considered
an RPG because you get to select your magic powers? Doesn't that mean
"Call of Duty" has RPG elements too, because in one game I choose to
use an MP5 and in the next session my loadout is a AR-15? Of course
not. Bioshock is a shooter, an action game. At most, it's reliance on
story might push it into the 'action-adventure' category. But an RPG?
I think not.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:28:50 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 7:14 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Maybe I'll announce them if I ever do "games now temporarily available
so long as the provider is in a good mood" posts.
That's a bit long for a subject line. "GNTASLATPIIAGM"? Bleh.
C'mon, let's be fair. Is it any longer (or more gibberishy) than most
of what I write? ;-)
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
I do find it silly you can't define your own tags on steam.
Well, you can. If you mean for categorizing the games in your library,
you can add them to "collections" with whatever names you want. If you
think XCOM should be show up in your library listed in the "Turn-Based Tactical" or "Play The Original Instead" categories, you have that choice.
For actual tags of games listed in the store then you can select whatever tags you think the game should have including new ones you've made up.
If enough other people agree that the game should have those tags, it'll
be indexed with those tags. Which is the whole problem here, people are
bad a tagging games and seem to think its a popularity contest where their favourite games should show up in the store with as many tags as possible.
Note that you can also vote against tags, so I suggest using that feature
if you see a game with tags you think it shouldn't have. Be sure to
vote for the tags you think it should have at the same time.
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