• What is with this constant push of Warhammer games lately?

    From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 11:28:24 2024
    Hi,

    Getting emails from Fanatical, GOG, and a couple of others pushing
    Warhammer games.

    I heard a commentator on a news show saying her kid can't stop playing
    Dark Tide. Sounds tempting so I looked it up. It is a Warhammer game
    and it got medicore reviews. In fact, all of them (and there is like
    60 of them according to PC Gamer https://www.pcgamer.com/best-warhammer-40k-games/) get mediocre
    reveiws.

    What kind of game is this. I had no idea this game series has been
    out so long.

    Does anyone here play Warhammer?

    -pw

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 11:16:59 2024
    On 5/25/2024 10:28 AM, PW wrote:
    Hi,

    Getting emails from Fanatical, GOG, and a couple of others pushing
    Warhammer games.

    I heard a commentator on a news show saying her kid can't stop playing
    Dark Tide. Sounds tempting so I looked it up. It is a Warhammer game
    and it got medicore reviews. In fact, all of them (and there is like
    60 of them according to PC Gamer https://www.pcgamer.com/best-warhammer-40k-games/) get mediocre
    reveiws.

    What kind of game is this. I had no idea this game series has been
    out so long.

    Does anyone here play Warhammer?

    It started as (and as far as I know still is) a tabletop miniatures
    wargame way back when, which may or may not explain how the computer
    games got such a following so quickly. But might explain the
    willingness to spend more and more money on more and more
    miniatures/DLCs....

    And no, I haven't played Warhammer in any incarnation.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat May 25 18:39:37 2024
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 5/25/2024 10:28 AM, PW wrote:
    Hi,

    Getting emails from Fanatical, GOG, and a couple of others pushing Warhammer games.

    I heard a commentator on a news show saying her kid can't stop playing
    Dark Tide. Sounds tempting so I looked it up. It is a Warhammer game
    and it got medicore reviews. In fact, all of them (and there is like
    60 of them according to PC Gamer https://www.pcgamer.com/best-warhammer-40k-games/) get mediocre
    reveiws.

    What kind of game is this. I had no idea this game series has been
    out so long.

    Does anyone here play Warhammer?

    It started as (and as far as I know still is) a tabletop miniatures
    wargame way back when, which may or may not explain how the computer
    games got such a following so quickly. But might explain the
    willingness to spend more and more money on more and more
    miniatures/DLCs....

    And no, I haven't played Warhammer in any incarnation.

    I briefly played one or two, but couldn't get into this series. :(
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat May 25 21:39:51 2024
    On 25/05/2024 20:10, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Well, there's always Hero Quest; you could try that. I hear it's
    great.* It's a Warhammer spin-off (or, more technically, Warhammer is
    a spin-off of Hero Quest, since HQ came first 😉

    As far as I know Warhammer Fantasy Battle was already on its third
    edition by the time Hero Quest was released and even WH:40K was already
    out.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat May 25 20:54:01 2024
    On Sat, 25 May 2024 15:10:57 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 25 May 2024 18:39:37 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote: >>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 5/25/2024 10:28 AM, PW wrote:

    Getting emails from Fanatical, GOG, and a couple of others pushing
    Warhammer games.

    I heard a commentator on a news show saying her kid can't stop playing >>> > Dark Tide. Sounds tempting so I looked it up. It is a Warhammer game >>> > and it got medicore reviews. In fact, all of them (and there is like
    60 of them according to PC Gamer
    https://www.pcgamer.com/best-warhammer-40k-games/) get mediocre
    reveiws.
    What kind of game is this. I had no idea this game series has been
    out so long.

    Does anyone here play Warhammer?

    It started as (and as far as I know still is) a tabletop miniatures
    wargame way back when, which may or may not explain how the computer
    games got such a following so quickly. But might explain the
    willingness to spend more and more money on more and more
    miniatures/DLCs....

    And no, I haven't played Warhammer in any incarnation.

    I briefly played one or two, but couldn't get into this series. :(

    Well, there's always Hero Quest; you could try that. I hear it's
    great.* It's a Warhammer spin-off (or, more technically, Warhammer is
    a spin-off of Hero Quest, since HQ came first ;-)

    The reason it is showing up in emails, etc. is that Games Workshop
    (the owners of the license) are running a promotion for all their
    digital products. Both Steam and GOG (and perhaps other storefronts,
    but I'm not bothering to check on any of those) have a "Skulls
    Festival of Video Game" where the Warhammer games are on sale. So the
    various storefronts are spamming all their members telling everybody
    about the 'great' deals now available.

    And why the sale? Because the IP holders, Games Workshop, subscribe to
    the 'razor blade' model of business. Sell the core product cheaply,
    then make up for it by selling the users lots of accessories. With the >tabletop games, that means that -in order to play the game- you need
    not only buy the rulebooks, but hundreds of indidivual miniatures, all
    that need to be painted using GW paints. With their digital products,
    it's sell the core game cheaply, but each game only focuses on a tiny
    portion of the franchise, and there are dozens of DLCs and cosmetics
    for each game.

    In either case, the money doesn't really start rolling in until you
    get the players to first buy the core product. Only then can you start >milking them with the expansions.

    Oh, and once you've finally released all the expansions you can for a
    game? Declare it obsolete and release the next edition!

    Can you tell that I'm not a fan of Games Workshop? It's not that I
    dislike their games -although the whole 'everything is so grim and
    dark' thing is pretty old hat because GW hasn't had a new idea in 30
    years!- but their business model is just slimey. That they've also
    tried to claim ownership over the concept of the space marine, and
    their hard-line stance against fan-created works doesn't make me any
    more fond of the company.

    That said, their games -both tabletop and digital- aren't too bad.
    They aren't really great either, but they've a unique atmosphere and
    setting. The company's (and fans') stance on how the game MUST be
    played ("you space marines are painted the wrong color of blue, it's
    not canon, you can't use those in the game!") is a bit annoying. It's
    also /really/ expensive to get into. But -back in the day, before GW's
    greed became central to its existence- I had a small army and we
    played a few games. It was okay. It's mostly a miniature wargame,
    though, and - being more of a tabletop role-playing game fan- I knew
    it wasn't really a game for me. But I got some nice miniuatures out of
    the experience that would later feature in a number of my tabletop D&D >campaigns. ;-)

    But "Hero Quest" is great.


    *---

    Interesting, but not for me!

    Thanks

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Sun May 26 23:35:03 2024
    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 17:28 this Saturday (GMT):
    Hi,

    Getting emails from Fanatical, GOG, and a couple of others pushing
    Warhammer games.

    I heard a commentator on a news show saying her kid can't stop playing
    Dark Tide. Sounds tempting so I looked it up. It is a Warhammer game
    and it got medicore reviews. In fact, all of them (and there is like
    60 of them according to PC Gamer https://www.pcgamer.com/best-warhammer-40k-games/) get mediocre
    reveiws.

    What kind of game is this. I had no idea this game series has been
    out so long.

    Does anyone here play Warhammer?

    -pw


    I don't, but I know a few people who do.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon May 27 23:05:03 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 13:53 this Monday (GMT):
    On Sun, 26 May 2024 23:35:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 17:28 this Saturday (GMT):

    Does anyone here play Warhammer?

    I don't, but I know a few people who do.

    It always seemed a hobby more popular on one side of the pond than the
    other. I don't know if that's because Games Workshop (and Warhammer)
    are British, or if it's just that playing with little army men is
    generally more accepted in the UK than the US (I suspect the latter, actually). But board-game wargames seemed to be the more popular in
    America, whereas miniature games seemed to have the edge in England.

    But there are fans on both side, and they're easy enough to find, if
    you know what to look for (just look for the gamer with the slightly
    haughty look on their face in the game shoppe ;-)


    Huh.
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon May 27 16:20:30 2024
    On 5/27/2024 6:53 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sun, 26 May 2024 23:35:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 17:28 this Saturday (GMT):

    Does anyone here play Warhammer?

    I don't, but I know a few people who do.

    It always seemed a hobby more popular on one side of the pond than the
    other. I don't know if that's because Games Workshop (and Warhammer)
    are British, or if it's just that playing with little army men is
    generally more accepted in the UK than the US (I suspect the latter, actually). But board-game wargames seemed to be the more popular in
    America, whereas miniature games seemed to have the edge in England.

    But there are fans on both side, and they're easy enough to find, if
    you know what to look for (just look for the gamer with the slightly
    haughty look on their face in the game shoppe ;-)

    Isn't that basically every gamer?


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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 28 08:50:39 2024
    On 5/25/2024 10:28 AM, PW wrote:
    Hi,

    Getting emails from Fanatical, GOG, and a couple of others pushing
    Warhammer games.

    I heard a commentator on a news show saying her kid can't stop playing
    Dark Tide. Sounds tempting so I looked it up. It is a Warhammer game
    and it got medicore reviews. In fact, all of them (and there is like
    60 of them according to PC Gamer https://www.pcgamer.com/best-warhammer-40k-games/) get mediocre
    reveiws.

    What kind of game is this. I had no idea this game series has been
    out so long.

    Does anyone here play Warhammer?

    I've seen the tabletop wargame played, but was never interested in
    wargames. It seems to require a certain mindset I don't have. I don't
    know that I'd want to run warhammer fantasy roleplaying, but I'd give it
    a try if I happened to come across a tabletop live game.

    Of the computer games I've tried a few, the only ones I've liked so far:

    Vermintide 2 - which is a squad/mission based online FPS mideval game.
    It gets far too grindy and repetitive after awhile, but was fun for a
    bit. It can be played solo with your own character/bots for the other teammates, but that's difficult to start with and it isn't available
    offline.

    Dawn of War - RTS.

    They're good, but not great. Dawn of War might be near the top of RTSs
    I've played, and Vermintide might be near the top of squad games, but
    the only other one's I've played that might even qualify as that are
    Deep Rock Galactic which didn't grab me and Warframe which so beyond Vermintide, I'd struggle to compare them.

    They've got interesting/funny lore. Like orks being fungus people that
    live just to kill things so their fungus can grow on the corpses.
    British humor.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 29 08:54:32 2024
    On 25/05/2024 20:10, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    And why the sale? Because the IP holders, Games Workshop, subscribe to
    the 'razor blade' model of business. Sell the core product cheaply,
    then make up for it by selling the users lots of accessories. With the tabletop games, that means that -in order to play the game- you need
    not only buy the rulebooks, but hundreds of indidivual miniatures, all
    that need to be painted using GW paints. With their digital products,
    it's sell the core game cheaply, but each game only focuses on a tiny
    portion of the franchise, and there are dozens of DLCs and cosmetics
    for each game.

    For TT games I think it makes sense as you are talking about physical
    products so if you only want to buy enough to get you up and started
    with an army. GW have even recognises the entry cost barrier so also
    have Kill Team which is a squad based skirmish game. Things like paints
    and other accessories, well you can get them wherever you want and if
    you really like the game 3D printers are now affordable. It's still not
    a cheap hobby overall mind you.

    Now that doesn't mean that GW don't do some shitty things with removing
    whole armies or introducing a new army that means an existing one is effectively obsolete. Then again, if you're just playing socially then
    it doesn't really matter so much.

    Where it seems to go tragically wrong is when the apply the same type of
    model to digital products and it just comes across as unreasonable.
    Blood Bowl 3 got rightly panned as not only was a lot of the content
    that was available in previous games not in the basegame they had also
    added aggressive MTX.

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