• Fallout London - coming soonish?

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 24 08:49:44 2024
    Well it looks like it. So for those that didn't know this is a free
    mod/total conversion based on, you guessed it London, using FO:4. It was
    due to be released a few months ago but then we had Fallout TV so we got
    the FO:4 Next Gen (NG) update just before the FO:L(ondon) official
    release. Obviously panic stations as NG wasn't just a few minor bug
    fixes but instead a rather major overhaul meaning FO:L just wouldn't
    work. To make it even worse the NG update was a bit buggy so there's
    work ongoing meaning it can't be considered a stable platform (fixed).

    The good news though, the FO:L dev's took the decision not to go with NG
    but instead the release they had used and have now finished the work for
    a degrade tool for GOG and the one for Steam is almost complete. If
    you're on Epic sounds like you're out of luck.

    Me, I really looking forward to it obviously and hope all the hard work
    of the dev's has paid off.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jul 24 11:18:37 2024
    On 7/24/2024 12:49 AM, JAB wrote:
    Well it looks like it. So for those that didn't know this is a free
    mod/total conversion based on, you guessed it London, using FO:4. It was
    due to be released a few months ago but then we had Fallout TV so we got
    the FO:4 Next Gen (NG) update just before the FO:L(ondon) official
    release. Obviously panic stations as NG wasn't just a few minor bug
    fixes but instead a rather major overhaul meaning FO:L just wouldn't
    work. To make it even worse the NG update was a bit buggy so there's
    work ongoing meaning it can't be considered a stable platform (fixed).

    The good news though, the FO:L dev's took the decision not to go with NG
    but instead the release they had used and have now finished the work for
    a degrade tool for GOG and the one for Steam is almost complete. If
    you're on Epic sounds like you're out of luck.

    Me, I really looking forward to it obviously and hope all the hard work
    of the dev's has paid off.

    Nice! It's funny you really need a 'degrade tool' for FO3 as well
    (latest patches aren't stable) - or to run in in NV.

    I don't know why Bethesda insists on ruining their games with unstable
    late patches.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Jul 25 08:24:41 2024
    On 25/07/2024 03:39, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:49:44 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    Well it looks like it. So for those that didn't know this is a free
    mod/total conversion based on, you guessed it London, using FO:4. It was
    due to be released a few months ago but then we had Fallout TV so we got
    the FO:4 Next Gen (NG) update just before the FO:L(ondon) official
    release. Obviously panic stations as NG wasn't just a few minor bug
    fixes but instead a rather major overhaul meaning FO:L just wouldn't
    work. To make it even worse the NG update was a bit buggy so there's
    work ongoing meaning it can't be considered a stable platform (fixed).

    The good news though, the FO:L dev's took the decision not to go with NG
    but instead the release they had used and have now finished the work for
    a degrade tool for GOG and the one for Steam is almost complete. If
    you're on Epic sounds like you're out of luck.

    Me, I really looking forward to it obviously and hope all the hard work
    of the dev's has paid off.

    Yeah, it looks interesting. I'm not sure I'll play it immediately but
    it's definitely on my list of games I /want/ to play. It certainly
    looks more interesting to me than anything BETHESDA has come up with
    over the past few years.

    That said... I've gotten really burned out on large open-world RPGs
    recently. And I never entirely engaged with the weird retro-vibe of
    the Fallout universe, and I'm not entirely sure I'll like the almost 1950-London-meets-Fallout-games take either (I'm getting a little bit
    of the "We Happy Few" vibe from the trailers I've seen). I'm not
    saying any of it makes for a bad game... but while I want to play
    "Fallout: London", I'm not really in a RUSH to do so either.

    Still, it doesn't hurt that it's free. I'll download it day one from
    GOG, stick it on an external drive with a GOG copy of "Fallout 4", and
    let it wait there until I'm ready. That way even if Bethesda 'Foxes'*
    the game, I'll still be able to play it. ;-)


    FO:3/NV and Skyrim are cases where I think openworld is done well as it
    gets the balance right between how long you spend just wandering and how
    much time actually 'playing' the game. I always liked that feeling of
    seeing something in the distance and thinking let's go and have a look
    at that.

    The setting of FO is one of my favourites and that FO:L is going to be
    set in places I've been to quite a few times should make it interesting.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 27 09:46:45 2024
    Well it's been released apparently but I'm now waiting for some reviews
    as I didn't realise that you needed all the DLC to use it. That's a bit annoying but I've got into playing The Witcher 3 so no hurry.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jul 27 08:44:09 2024
    On 7/27/2024 1:46 AM, JAB wrote:
    Well it's been released apparently but I'm now waiting for some reviews
    as I didn't realise that you needed all the DLC to use it. That's a bit annoying but I've got into playing The Witcher 3 so no hurry.


    Ah, didn't realize that either. I never purchased the FO4 DLCs.
    Probably cheaper to buy a GOTY now.

    Early reviews are that it's very buggy and crashes a lot. I'll wait and
    see if they manage to fix that.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Sun Jul 28 09:04:10 2024
    On 27/07/2024 16:44, Justisaur wrote:
    On 7/27/2024 1:46 AM, JAB wrote:
    Well it's been released apparently but I'm now waiting for some
    reviews as I didn't realise that you needed all the DLC to use it.
    That's a bit annoying but I've got into playing The Witcher 3 so no
    hurry.


    Ah, didn't realize that either.  I never purchased the FO4 DLCs.
    Probably cheaper to buy a GOTY now.

    Early reviews are that it's very buggy and crashes a lot.  I'll wait and
    see if they manage to fix that.


    Yeh, I'm seen some early reviews and I like the look of the gameplay but
    the bugs/stability, not so good. I'm going to wait a bit until the
    released some patches and then probably go for the GOG version as that's cheaper than Steam and currently a lot less hassle to install.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jul 29 07:35:10 2024
    On 7/28/2024 1:04 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/07/2024 16:44, Justisaur wrote:
    On 7/27/2024 1:46 AM, JAB wrote:
    Well it's been released apparently but I'm now waiting for some
    reviews as I didn't realise that you needed all the DLC to use it.
    That's a bit annoying but I've got into playing The Witcher 3 so no
    hurry.


    Ah, didn't realize that either.  I never purchased the FO4 DLCs.
    Probably cheaper to buy a GOTY now.

    Early reviews are that it's very buggy and crashes a lot.  I'll wait
    and see if they manage to fix that.


    Yeh, I'm seen some early reviews and I like the look of the gameplay but
    the bugs/stability, not so good. I'm going to wait a bit until the
    released some patches and then probably go for the GOG version as that's cheaper than Steam and currently a lot less hassle to install.

    I saw a little bit of a live stream play, and it seems you're supposed
    to install certain recommended mods so it doesn't have the stability
    issues. Which of course the streamer didn't do. All I saw was that it
    crashed a couple times on transitions even without the mods. It looks
    really cool though.

    As it's free I'll probably try it as soon as I get through ER and EDF 6.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed Jul 31 18:00:01 2024
    On 29/07/2024 15:35, Justisaur wrote:
    On 7/28/2024 1:04 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/07/2024 16:44, Justisaur wrote:
    On 7/27/2024 1:46 AM, JAB wrote:
    Well it's been released apparently but I'm now waiting for some
    reviews as I didn't realise that you needed all the DLC to use it.
    That's a bit annoying but I've got into playing The Witcher 3 so no
    hurry.


    Ah, didn't realize that either.  I never purchased the FO4 DLCs.
    Probably cheaper to buy a GOTY now.

    Early reviews are that it's very buggy and crashes a lot.  I'll wait
    and see if they manage to fix that.


    Yeh, I'm seen some early reviews and I like the look of the gameplay
    but the bugs/stability, not so good. I'm going to wait a bit until the
    released some patches and then probably go for the GOG version as
    that's cheaper than Steam and currently a lot less hassle to install.

    I saw a little bit of a live stream play, and it seems you're supposed
    to install certain recommended mods so it doesn't have the stability issues.  Which of course the streamer didn't do.  All I saw was that it crashed a couple times on transitions even without the mods.  It looks really cool though.

    As it's free I'll probably try it as soon as I get through ER and EDF 6.


    Yeh. I saw something similar but at the moment I'm loathed to give up
    playing Witcher 3 to play another 'big' game, still tempted though.

    As an aside I do give the devs a bit of slack in the release it to the
    world and you can be play-testers for a bit.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Aug 1 12:21:38 2024
    On 28/07/2024 05:07, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 09:46:45 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    Well it's been released apparently but I'm now waiting for some reviews
    as I didn't realise that you needed all the DLC to use it. That's a bit
    annoying but I've got into playing The Witcher 3 so no hurry.

    Speficially, you can get it here:

    https://www.gog.com/en/game/fallout_london
    It seems to be available exclusively on GOG for the moment, for
    reasons I am not entirely sure.

    [I mean, I see the advantage for the FOL team; they don't have
    to host the mod and pay for the bandwidth. I'm not sure why
    it's exclusive to GOG, though]

    It does, as mentioned, require "Fallout 4" and all the DLC to work.
    GOG is having a sale on the GOTY version of the game; the Steam
    version will work, but you'll have to 'downgrade' the Steam version
    not to used the 'next gen' update that came out a few months ago

    [thanks for nothing, Bethesda. It was a crappy upgrade that
    did little more than break a lot of existing mods. It seems
    its primary goal was to push people away from free mods and
    more towards Bethesda's own workshop/mod service]

    Full instructions are available here:
    https://fallout4london.com/release/


    For the Bethesda part, not sure. Could just be incompetence as Fallout
    TV plus you need all the DLC seems more of a missed opportunity than malice.

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 1 11:06:02 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:49:44 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
    wrote:

    Well it looks like it. So for those that didn't know this is a free
    mod/total conversion based on, you guessed it London, using FO:4. It was
    due to be released a few months ago but then we had Fallout TV so we got
    the FO:4 Next Gen (NG) update just before the FO:L(ondon) official
    release. Obviously panic stations as NG wasn't just a few minor bug
    fixes but instead a rather major overhaul meaning FO:L just wouldn't
    work. To make it even worse the NG update was a bit buggy so there's
    work ongoing meaning it can't be considered a stable platform (fixed).

    The good news though, the FO:L dev's took the decision not to go with NG
    but instead the release they had used and have now finished the work for
    a degrade tool for GOG and the one for Steam is almost complete. If
    you're on Epic sounds like you're out of luck.

    Me, I really looking forward to it obviously and hope all the hard work
    of the dev's has paid off.

    If you have FO4 on Steam, the best thing to do (if you consider time to
    be money) is just buy it on GOG for $16 rn. Just downgrading FO4 took me
    an hour on Steam, and then you have to manually install the mod, which is
    where I gave up.

    I don't know how long it's on sale for, but all you do is install
    FO:London on Galaxy. It makes a shortcut, no fuss.

    Then you have the updated copy on Steam and a separate London copy ready
    to go. 34GB.


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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Thu Aug 1 11:16:25 2024
    On Thu, 01 Aug 2024 11:06:02 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Zaghadka wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:49:44 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB >wrote:

    Well it looks like it. So for those that didn't know this is a free >>mod/total conversion based on, you guessed it London, using FO:4. It was >>due to be released a few months ago but then we had Fallout TV so we got >>the FO:4 Next Gen (NG) update just before the FO:L(ondon) official
    release. Obviously panic stations as NG wasn't just a few minor bug
    fixes but instead a rather major overhaul meaning FO:L just wouldn't
    work. To make it even worse the NG update was a bit buggy so there's
    work ongoing meaning it can't be considered a stable platform (fixed).

    The good news though, the FO:L dev's took the decision not to go with NG >>but instead the release they had used and have now finished the work for
    a degrade tool for GOG and the one for Steam is almost complete. If
    you're on Epic sounds like you're out of luck.

    Me, I really looking forward to it obviously and hope all the hard work
    of the dev's has paid off.

    If you have FO4 on Steam, the best thing to do (if you consider time to
    be money) is just buy it on GOG for $16 rn. Just downgrading FO4 took me
    an hour on Steam, and then you have to manually install the mod, which is >where I gave up.

    I don't know how long it's on sale for, but all you do is install
    FO:London on Galaxy. It makes a shortcut, no fuss.

    Then you have the updated copy on Steam and a separate London copy ready
    to go. 34GB.

    Oops. There was some fuss. If you install FO:London on Galaxy, it doesn't install the dependency.

    Also, not hard to install FO:London with the downgrade on Steam. You just
    point it at the directory after launching it in GOG. Wish they had
    pointed that out in the tutorial.

    At least I know how to downgrade the bullshit "upgrade" on Steam and keep
    it that way.

    Since I'm still playing Far Harbor off-and-on, this still works out well
    for me.

    --
    Zag

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    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Thu Aug 1 18:43:09 2024
    On 01/08/2024 17:06, Zaghadka wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:49:44 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB wrote:

    Well it looks like it. So for those that didn't know this is a free
    mod/total conversion based on, you guessed it London, using FO:4. It was
    due to be released a few months ago but then we had Fallout TV so we got
    the FO:4 Next Gen (NG) update just before the FO:L(ondon) official
    release. Obviously panic stations as NG wasn't just a few minor bug
    fixes but instead a rather major overhaul meaning FO:L just wouldn't
    work. To make it even worse the NG update was a bit buggy so there's
    work ongoing meaning it can't be considered a stable platform (fixed).

    The good news though, the FO:L dev's took the decision not to go with NG
    but instead the release they had used and have now finished the work for
    a degrade tool for GOG and the one for Steam is almost complete. If
    you're on Epic sounds like you're out of luck.

    Me, I really looking forward to it obviously and hope all the hard work
    of the dev's has paid off.

    If you have FO4 on Steam, the best thing to do (if you consider time to
    be money) is just buy it on GOG for $16 rn. Just downgrading FO4 took me
    an hour on Steam, and then you have to manually install the mod, which is where I gave up.

    I don't know how long it's on sale for, but all you do is install
    FO:London on Galaxy. It makes a shortcut, no fuss.

    Then you have the updated copy on Steam and a separate London copy ready
    to go. 34GB.


    I have downloaded the mod and am probably just going to buy the GoTY on
    GOG as that seems the easy route not to mention the cheaper one.

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Aug 2 13:16:07 2024
    On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 11:52:44 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Experiences
    like the one you describe above --that the "Fallout: London"
    installation is FUBAR'd-- are exactly the sort of thing I'd expect.

    Oh, it isn't FUBAR. It just didn't find the base game because it never installed the base game. I would think that was a no-brainer if someone installs the conversion mod.

    Easy enough to install FO4:GOTY and then point London at it.

    Now experiences I've had with it? Biggest one was a whole bunch of LUA
    bugs where if you were a standard user you were screwed. I don't know if
    they ever fixed them, but I haven't run into a "game needs to run as
    admin" problem in a while.

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    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
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