Diversity, equity and inclusion based game design will be the downfall
of many AAA studios.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAoJCJhrrgA

Unlike the US based companies that are starting to withdraw all their
DEI nonsense after they've watched the sustainability of their
organizations implode as a result of implementing it, AAA game studios
have a much bigger problem....

... because they didn't just integrate politics into their internal
culture, they propagated it to the products they sell, and that's
putting the malignant tumor in an organ where it's much harder to
cure.

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Also don't mistake what I said there for a right-wing nut job rant.
I'm so far from that it may not even be worth trying to explain. I
have friends that are like family to me by the dozens in the music
industry, and that is the most open-minded sub-culture you can
imagine, with people of all types. Some of the great pioneers of
synthesis were transgender, gay, black etc. and they all get nothing
but respect.

The problem is injecting politics into games in settings where it
makes no sense and/or breaks immersion.

Make a game where the backdrop is some modern urban or suburban
setting, and you have many more liberties with character dialog,
character customization, etc. without breaking immersion. Injecting
copious amounts of female soliders running around in a multiplayer WWI
or WWII game shooting and screaming is a design decision that could
only be made after a chemical labotomy or major head trauma has
affected the designer's sense of good judgement.

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Rin Stowleigh <rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

Also don't mistake what I said there for a right-wing nut job rant.
I'm so far from that it may not even be worth trying to explain. I
have friends that are like family to me by the dozens in the music
industry, and that is the most open-minded sub-culture you can
imagine, with people of all types. Some of the great pioneers of
synthesis were transgender, gay, black etc. and they all get nothing
but respect.

It did sounds a bit like a right-wing nutjob rant, but you are not
wrong.

They really have gone off the deep end with rewriting history to be
diverse and inclusive.

Next up, Black, female, trans pilots in WW1 France fighting the Boche!!!

Xocyll

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On 13/09/2024 22:47, Xocyll wrote:

It did sounds a bit like a right-wing nutjob rant, but you are not
wrong.

They really have gone off the deep end with rewriting history to be
diverse and inclusive.

Next up, Black, female, trans pilots in WW1 France fighting the Boche!!!

To me it depends what the game is trying to achieve, so yes if a game is
geared towards historical accuracy then the details do matter so as not
to break the immersion. If it's just themed around a historical event
then there's a lot more flexibility in what you can do.

Then of course you have the problem of people seeing problems that just
don't exist. I remember some people complaining about some WWI game
having non-white soldiers in it. Well yeh as there were non-white
soldiers in active combat in WWI. The flip side, people complaining
about lack of diversity when it's historically accurate.

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On 9/15/2024 1:56 AM, JAB wrote:

On 13/09/2024 22:47, Xocyll wrote:

It did sounds a bit like a right-wing nutjob rant, but you are not
wrong.

They really have gone off the deep end with rewriting history to be
diverse and inclusive.

Next up, Black, female, trans pilots in WW1 France fighting the Boche!!!

To me it depends what the game is trying to achieve, so yes if a game is geared towards historical accuracy then the details do matter so as not
to break the immersion. If it's just themed around a historical event
then there's a lot more flexibility in what you can do.

Then of course you have the problem of people seeing problems that just
don't exist. I remember some people complaining about some WWI game
having non-white soldiers in it. Well yeh as there were non-white
soldiers in active combat in WWI. The flip side, people complaining
about lack of diversity when it's historically accurate.

True. I've even heard that there were a few Romans who weren't WASPs! ;)

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dirty old man.

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JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

On 13/09/2024 22:47, Xocyll wrote:

It did sounds a bit like a right-wing nutjob rant, but you are not
wrong.

They really have gone off the deep end with rewriting history to be
diverse and inclusive.

Next up, Black, female, trans pilots in WW1 France fighting the Boche!!!

To me it depends what the game is trying to achieve, so yes if a game is >geared towards historical accuracy then the details do matter so as not
to break the immersion. If it's just themed around a historical event
then there's a lot more flexibility in what you can do.

Well yeah, if it's a recreation/sim at AdventureLandPark, anything goes.

Then of course you have the problem of people seeing problems that just
don't exist. I remember some people complaining about some WWI game
having non-white soldiers in it. Well yeh as there were non-white
soldiers in active combat in WWI.

Thinking specifically Indian troops as part of the (then) British
Empire.

The flip side, people complaining about lack of diversity when it's historically accurate.

Like OMG, where are the BIPOC Vikings!!!!!!!

A group of raiders from three countries that were 100% white, and they
wonder where the coloured folks are?

When can we put these idiots in an asylum for forced education?
[You get out when you can actually tell a fact from rhetoric.]

SJW Reprogramming!

Xocyll

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On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 13:20:44 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

On the other hand, there isn't one game made that's 100% realistic.
And making games accessible to people other than grungy bros is a good
thing as far as I'm concerned. God forbid we make a game with Vikings
that an Asian woman might want to play.

"Hey, I can take a sword to the gut and ten seconds later I'm fine,
and that's cool, but there's a black Ninja and that's too
unrealistic."

That shit can fuck right off.

Maybe a couple of examples are in order to at least help illustrate my perspective here (which is not 100% on topic with the purpose of the
thread, but worth clarifying anyway).

In Red Dead Redemption 2, the online mode can get a bit silly and the
immersion floor starts to drop because of the "pimpingly colorful"
outfits that can be acquired and upgraded to. This is a shame because
the characters inside the game start to take on a look that is just no
longer characteristic of the old wild west setting.

Call of Duty games have become the same way... outfits and guns so
colorful and cartoonish that it betrays the traditionally serious /
semi realistic tactical setting of the franchise.

Note that those two examples have nothing to do with race/gender etc.,
rather they are examples to illustrate how immersion can get fucked by
runaway design decisions that are rooted in something other than
simply keeping the game fun (in those cases, I believe the
unnecessarily diverse styles of clothing / weapons etc. have the root
cause of their particular variation of cancer in monetization schemes,
and the goal of making the player want to spend more on upgrades in
order to solve FOMO on lots of cosmetic digital content. But for
purposes of this thread, I'll just refer to the syndrome as
"frutifying the game setting". It can happen for DEI based goal
reasons and/or monetization strategy reasons....

...***however, the two are largely inseparable***. This is because
cunty marketing douchebags figure the larger the audience, the more
profits to potentially be had. And, the primary game buying
demographic is no longer GenX'ers.... (its GenZ, who have been largely
taught in school that they should experiment with their sexual
orientation and identity, even if the idea would have never occurred
to them before, and have been taught that straight white males are
primarily toxic and racist by default). So the path to profit
maximization (in the feeble mind of a marketing douchebag) is to
target that audience with game design decisions and therefore sell
more titles.

Howevever, marketing douchebags are well known for there
short-sightedness, and that's what Mack (WorthABuy dude's) rant is
really about. How the intentional injection of politics has come
around full circle and resulted in a bunch of shit games that nobody
wants to play. Ubisoft is a perfect example of a company that went
all in on DEI based game design and they are now getting crushed by
the weight of their own stupidity.

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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

On the other hand, there isn't one game made that's 100% realistic.
And making games accessible to people other than grungy bros is a good
thing as far as I'm concerned. God forbid we make a game with Vikings
that an Asian woman might want to play.

Well the Vikings did have warrior maidens "shield maidens" for the
ladies to play.

"Hey, I can take a sword to the gut and ten seconds later I'm fine,
and that's cool, but there's a black Ninja and that's too
unrealistic."

Considering most people's idea of a ninja is a Hollywood creation, it
has no place in any even semi realistic historical game.

And the real ones if they ever existed, were 100% Japanese, and since
the Japanese were EXTREMELY insular, there is 0% there's be any outsider adopted into the clans.

That shit can fuck right off.

The sword to the gut, or fireball to the face or all the weapons/claws
etc in Doom, and healing up in moments is simply a game mechanic since
no one would ever play it otherwise and they'd lose their shirts.

Oh look, first encounter, dead.
Make new char.
First encounter, stabbed badly, spend 6 weeks healing and sitting in a
room. Boy that's an exciting game sure to get many purchasers.

Even the people who played games like Diablo on Hardcore/Ironman still
used healing potions.

Xocyll

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On 20/09/2024 18:20, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

On the other hand, there isn't one game made that's 100% realistic.
And making games accessible to people other than grungy bros is a good
thing as far as I'm concerned. God forbid we make a game with Vikings
that an Asian woman might want to play.

"Hey, I can take a sword to the gut and ten seconds later I'm fine,
and that's cool, but there's a black Ninja and that's too
unrealistic."

That shit can fuck right off.

Google "Woke Games Detector" as it's one of those things you look at and
think this must be satire surely?

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JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 08:02 this Monday (GMT):

On 20/09/2024 18:20, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

On the other hand, there isn't one game made that's 100% realistic.
And making games accessible to people other than grungy bros is a good
thing as far as I'm concerned. God forbid we make a game with Vikings
that an Asian woman might want to play.

"Hey, I can take a sword to the gut and ten seconds later I'm fine,
and that's cool, but there's a black Ninja and that's too
unrealistic."

That shit can fuck right off.

Google "Woke Games Detector" as it's one of those things you look at and think this must be satire surely?

I've seen it, its super funny!
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user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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