It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you
still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-) https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:49 this Monday (GMT):
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late 2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-) https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
I'll miss Win7.
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you
still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-) >https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:49 this Monday (GMT):
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you
still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-)
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
I'll miss Win7.
Me too even though I still have a disk image backups and VMs. I prefer
W2K though. That is the best Windows version ever!
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:29 this Monday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:49 this Monday (GMT):
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you >>>> still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-)
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
I'll miss Win7.
Me too even though I still have a disk image backups and VMs. I prefer
W2K though. That is the best Windows version ever!
Well, Win7 has better compatibility with stuff..
Is it still possible to download your games with an old client? If not,
then that's the problem. That Steam insists on only its latest version.
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to
copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update
a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any >games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a
game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am
guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to
copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update
a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any
games though.
candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:29 this Monday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:49 this Monday (GMT):
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late >>>> 2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam >>>> will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you >>>> still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-) >>>> https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
I'll miss Win7.
Me too even though I still have a disk image backups and VMs. I prefer
W2K though. That is the best Windows version ever!
Well, Win7 has better compatibility with stuff..
<https://www.cnn.com/cnn-underscored/deals/apple-ipad-black-friday-deals-2024>
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Jhulian Waldby <wichitajayhawks@msn.com> wrote:
candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:29 this Monday (GMT):<https://www.cnn.com/cnn-underscored/deals/apple-ipad-black-friday-deals-2024>
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> >>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:49 this Monday (GMT):
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam >> >>>> will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you >> >>>> still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-)
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
I'll miss Win7.
Me too even though I still have a disk image backups and VMs. I prefer
W2K though. That is the best Windows version ever!
Well, Win7 has better compatibility with stuff..
Why would we want iPads? :P
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 14:01:07 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:49:47 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late >>>2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam >>>will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you >>>still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any >>>Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-) >>>https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
You know, we were worried about Steam in the early days for the wrong >>reasons. It looks like we will (mostly) always have access to our games, >>but planned platform obsolescence in the client requires us to upgrade
our OS software beyond compatibility with the older titles. We lose our >>games _that_ way. Did not see that coming.
Is it still possible to download your games with an old client? If not, >>then that's the problem. That Steam insists on only its latest version.
No. At least, it didn't with my XP machine (I have a Win7 box still,
but I don't have Steam on it). With XP, Steam insisted it needed to be >updated to the newest version and tried to update itself whenever
connected to the internet. Then it discovered, 'Oh, hey, I can't run
on XP' and quit with a message to that fact. There was never any
opportunity to actually install games.
Presumably if you have an XP (or Win7) machine with Steam (and
Steam-games) already installed, AND it's not connected to the
Internet, you're still safe. For a while, at least. I've had instances
in the past where Steam just demanded it be connected to the internet
first before it let me play any of my games.
Because of this, there is, as far as I can tell, no way to play "Half
Life 2" on era-appropriate hardware with an era-appropriate operating
system. I know a lot of people don't care about that... but some of us
do.
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to
copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update
a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any
games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a
game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am
guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 12:16:48 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 14:01:07 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>Yeah. Honestly, it's fodder for a class-action. Unlawful deprivation of property.
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:49:47 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you >>>> still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-)
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
You know, we were worried about Steam in the early days for the wrong
reasons. It looks like we will (mostly) always have access to our games, >>> but planned platform obsolescence in the client requires us to upgrade
our OS software beyond compatibility with the older titles. We lose our
games _that_ way. Did not see that coming.
Is it still possible to download your games with an old client? If not,
then that's the problem. That Steam insists on only its latest version.
No. At least, it didn't with my XP machine (I have a Win7 box still,
but I don't have Steam on it). With XP, Steam insisted it needed to be
updated to the newest version and tried to update itself whenever
connected to the internet. Then it discovered, 'Oh, hey, I can't run
on XP' and quit with a message to that fact. There was never any
opportunity to actually install games.
Presumably if you have an XP (or Win7) machine with Steam (and
Steam-games) already installed, AND it's not connected to the
Internet, you're still safe. For a while, at least. I've had instances
in the past where Steam just demanded it be connected to the internet
first before it let me play any of my games.
Because of this, there is, as far as I can tell, no way to play "Half
Life 2" on era-appropriate hardware with an era-appropriate operating
system. I know a lot of people don't care about that... but some of us
do.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:49:47 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you
still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-)
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
You know, we were worried about Steam in the early days for the wrong reasons. It looks like we will (mostly) always have access to our games,
but planned platform obsolescence in the client requires us to upgrade
our OS software beyond compatibility with the older titles. We lose our
games _that_ way. Did not see that coming.
Is it still possible to download your games with an old client? If not,
then that's the problem. That Steam insists on only its latest version.
On 25/11/2024 20:01, Zaghadka wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:49:47 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you
still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-)
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/
detail/4472730495692571025
You know, we were worried about Steam in the early days for the wrong
reasons. It looks like we will (mostly) always have access to our games,
but planned platform obsolescence in the client requires us to upgrade
our OS software beyond compatibility with the older titles. We lose our
games _that_ way. Did not see that coming.
Is it still possible to download your games with an old client? If not,
then that's the problem. That Steam insists on only its latest version.
I can't say it worried me as I just thought about it as part and parcel
of as the OS progresses some older games will become unplayable. From a practical point of view I'm just not going to do that. Now that doesn't
mean I don't think Valve should probably be a bit more creative in a
solution to cater for people who do want to play older titles.
What I didn't see was publishers just removing games for 'reasons'. How
long before some C-exec thinks it's a good idea* to remove a game solely
to boost the sales of what they've just released?
*Waits to be told this has already happened.
On 11/26/2024 11:00 AM, Zaghadka wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 12:16:48 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 14:01:07 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>Yeah. Honestly, it's fodder for a class-action. Unlawful deprivation of
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:49:47 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,No. At least, it didn't with my XP machine (I have a Win7 box still,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late >>>>> 2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam >>>>> will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you >>>>> still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-) >>>>> https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
You know, we were worried about Steam in the early days for the wrong
reasons. It looks like we will (mostly) always have access to our games, >>>> but planned platform obsolescence in the client requires us to upgrade >>>> our OS software beyond compatibility with the older titles. We lose our >>>> games _that_ way. Did not see that coming.
Is it still possible to download your games with an old client? If not, >>>> then that's the problem. That Steam insists on only its latest version. >>>
but I don't have Steam on it). With XP, Steam insisted it needed to be
updated to the newest version and tried to update itself whenever
connected to the internet. Then it discovered, 'Oh, hey, I can't run
on XP' and quit with a message to that fact. There was never any
opportunity to actually install games.
Presumably if you have an XP (or Win7) machine with Steam (and
Steam-games) already installed, AND it's not connected to the
Internet, you're still safe. For a while, at least. I've had instances
in the past where Steam just demanded it be connected to the internet
first before it let me play any of my games.
Because of this, there is, as far as I can tell, no way to play "Half
Life 2" on era-appropriate hardware with an era-appropriate operating
system. I know a lot of people don't care about that... but some of us
do.
property.
What property? The EULA you agreed to made it very clear you do not own
a copy of any of the games and can only play them at Valve's sufferance.
these deprecations aren't directly
caused by Valve, but by their use of Chromium as the underlying
framework in Steam.
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to
copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update
a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any >> >games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a
game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am
guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 14:01:07 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:49:47 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
It's no surprise --Valve announced their intentions way back in late
2023!-- but now it's finallly happened.* The newest versions of Steam
will no longer run on Windows 7 or 8 (or MacOS 10.13/10.14). So if you
still have a Windows 7 gaming PC, well... say goodbye to any
Steam-launched games on that system.
Time to upgrade those old Win7 machines to Linux, I guess.
* as of November 5th. Okay, I'm a bit late with the announcement ;-)
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4472730495692571025
You know, we were worried about Steam in the early days for the wrong
reasons. It looks like we will (mostly) always have access to our games,
but planned platform obsolescence in the client requires us to upgrade
our OS software beyond compatibility with the older titles. We lose our
games _that_ way. Did not see that coming.
Is it still possible to download your games with an old client? If not,
then that's the problem. That Steam insists on only its latest version.
No. At least, it didn't with my XP machine (I have a Win7 box still,
but I don't have Steam on it). With XP, Steam insisted it needed to be updated to the newest version and tried to update itself whenever
connected to the internet. Then it discovered, 'Oh, hey, I can't run
on XP' and quit with a message to that fact. There was never any
opportunity to actually install games.
Presumably if you have an XP (or Win7) machine with Steam (and
Steam-games) already installed, AND it's not connected to the
Internet, you're still safe. For a while, at least. I've had instances
in the past where Steam just demanded it be connected to the internet
first before it let me play any of my games.
Because of this, there is, as far as I can tell, no way to play "Half
Life 2" on era-appropriate hardware with an era-appropriate operating
system. I know a lot of people don't care about that... but some of us
do.
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:37:12 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
these deprecations aren't directly
caused by Valve, but by their use of Chromium as the underlying
framework in Steam.
OH! Okay, that makes perfect sense. I forgot that there was 3rd party
browser code in Steam.
So they literally can't fix security holes. They'd have to release an "at your own risk" version.
Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to >> >> >copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update
a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any >> >> >games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a
game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am
guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca >>>>> (Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to >>>>>> copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update >>>>>> a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any >>>>>> games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a
game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am
guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 01:30:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 18:38 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:37:12 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
these deprecations aren't directly
caused by Valve, but by their use of Chromium as the underlying
framework in Steam.
OH! Okay, that makes perfect sense. I forgot that there was 3rd party
browser code in Steam.
So they literally can't fix security holes. They'd have to release an "at >>> your own risk" version.
Isn't chrome(ium) open source?
Yes it is.
So Valve _could_ retroactively add support for older operating systems
into their client. Doing so would constitute an an entirely new branch
of the browser, however, and half the point of using a third-party
browser is so you don't have to maintain it yourself, but can just
download the updated source to use in your project whenever you need
it. Although there is actually already a branch of Chromium for
older Windows versions that is reguarly updated called Supermium that
they could use. But I doubt that is as vigorously tested as the core
Chromium code.
But the Chrome thing also gives Valve excuse not to have to support
older operating systems anymore. You don't need to worry about
problems --and create workarounds-- for issues that only occur on
older operating systems. From all we've heard about Valve's internals,
they don't really have good structure for things like maintenance of
older projects; it's all about the 'latest and greatest' fad, and infrastructure projects are lowest-totem-pole assignments. So ensuring
old code remains good code isn't a priority there. Nobody there wants
to ensure that Steam keeps running on old WinXP machines, so nobody
does it. And if a few customers get shafted, well, them's the breaks.
On 11/29/2024 10:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >>> spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca >>>>> (Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to >>>>>> copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update >>>>>> a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any
games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a >>>>> game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am
guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 01:30:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 18:38 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:37:12 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
these deprecations aren't directly
caused by Valve, but by their use of Chromium as the underlying
framework in Steam.
OH! Okay, that makes perfect sense. I forgot that there was 3rd party
browser code in Steam.
So they literally can't fix security holes. They'd have to release an "at >>> your own risk" version.
Isn't chrome(ium) open source?
Yes it is.
So Valve _could_ retroactively add support for older operating systems
into their client. Doing so would constitute an an entirely new branch
of the browser, however, and half the point of using a third-party
browser is so you don't have to maintain it yourself, but can just
download the updated source to use in your project whenever you need
it. Although there is actually already a branch of Chromium for
older Windows versions that is reguarly updated called Supermium that
they could use. But I doubt that is as vigorously tested as the core
Chromium code.
But the Chrome thing also gives Valve excuse not to have to support
older operating systems anymore. You don't need to worry about
problems --and create workarounds-- for issues that only occur on
older operating systems. From all we've heard about Valve's internals,
they don't really have good structure for things like maintenance of
older projects; it's all about the 'latest and greatest' fad, and infrastructure projects are lowest-totem-pole assignments. So ensuring
old code remains good code isn't a priority there. Nobody there wants
to ensure that Steam keeps running on old WinXP machines, so nobody
does it. And if a few customers get shafted, well, them's the breaks.
On 11/29/2024 10:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >>>> spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca >>>>>> (Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to >>>>>>> copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update >>>>>>> a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any >>>>>>> games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a >>>>>> game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am
guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 01:30:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote at 18:38 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:37:12 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
these deprecations aren't directly
caused by Valve, but by their use of Chromium as the underlying >>>>framework in Steam.
OH! Okay, that makes perfect sense. I forgot that there was 3rd party
browser code in Steam.
So they literally can't fix security holes. They'd have to release an "at >>> your own risk" version.
Isn't chrome(ium) open source?
Yes it is.
So Valve _could_ retroactively add support for older operating systems
into their client. Doing so would constitute an an entirely new branch
of the browser, however, and half the point of using a third-party
browser is so you don't have to maintain it yourself, but can just
download the updated source to use in your project whenever you need
it. Although there is actually already a branch of Chromium for
older Windows versions that is reguarly updated called Supermium that
they could use. But I doubt that is as vigorously tested as the core
Chromium code.
But the Chrome thing also gives Valve excuse not to have to support
older operating systems anymore. You don't need to worry about
problems --and create workarounds-- for issues that only occur on
older operating systems. From all we've heard about Valve's internals,
they don't really have good structure for things like maintenance of
older projects; it's all about the 'latest and greatest' fad, and infrastructure projects are lowest-totem-pole assignments. So ensuring
old code remains good code isn't a priority there. Nobody there wants
to ensure that Steam keeps running on old WinXP machines, so nobody
does it. And if a few customers get shafted, well, them's the breaks.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 17:08 this Saturday (GMT):
On 11/29/2024 10:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >>>> spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca >>>>>> (Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to
copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update >>>>>>> a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any
games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a >>>>>> game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am >>>>>> guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 17:08 this Saturday (GMT): >> > On 11/29/2024 10:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >> >>>> spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca >> >>>>>> (Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to
copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update
a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any
games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a
game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am
guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 21:14 this Sunday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 17:08 this Saturday (GMT):
On 11/29/2024 10:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to
copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update
a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any
games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a >> >>>>>> game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am >> >>>>>> guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 21:14 this Sunday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 17:08 this Saturday (GMT):
On 11/29/2024 10:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 05:25:40 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:
I believe so, yes. Last week I booted my old Windows 7 PC in order to
copy some games over to my new Windows 11 box, and I let Steam update
a few games and it worked fine. I didn't do a complete install of any
games though.
Steam seems to still be working on my Win 7 machine. I installed a >> >> >>>>>> game which also worked fine. It just isn't updating anymore. I am >> >> >>>>>> guessing it will stop working entirely at some point.
Is Valve really going to block all gamers in older OSes? :(
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: ...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>> ...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
On 12/3/2024 10:13 PM, Ant wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>> ...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
The Can I Haz Cheesburger Cat!
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 10:13 PM, Ant wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
The Can I Haz Cheesburger Cat!
Oh. I thought it died. :P
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 10:13 PM, Ant wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
The Can I Haz Cheesburger Cat!
Oh. I thought it died. :P
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 10:13 PM, Ant wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
The Can I Haz Cheesburger Cat!
Oh. I thought it died. :P
9 lives, remember.
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 10:13 PM, Ant wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
The Can I Haz Cheesburger Cat!
Oh. I thought it died. :P
9 lives, remember.
On 12/3/2024 10:13 PM, Ant wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>>> ...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
The Can I Haz Cheesburger Cat!
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 22:37:49 -0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 12/3/2024 10:13 PM, Ant wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
...
Old OS gamers don't buy Gabe Cheeseburgers.
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
The Can I Haz Cheesburger Cat!
Now I'm picturing the shouting women meme saying this and the cat saying:
"That's cheezburger newbs."
On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 06:13:46 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
This cat with this cheeseburger:
________
/ ; . : \
~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\_/\ ___
((((( ))))) = o_o =_______ \ \
============ __^ __( \.__) )
\; . : / <_____>__(_____)____/
--------
(ASCII Art is hard!)
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 18:50 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 06:13:46 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
This cat with this cheeseburger:
________
/ ; . : \
~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\_/\ ___
((((( ))))) = o_o =_______ \ \
============ __^ __( \.__) )
\; . : / <_____>__(_____)____/
--------
(ASCII Art is hard!)
Wow, that looks pretty good!
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 18:50 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 06:13:46 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:44 PM, Ant wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
I can has cheeseburgers? ;)
No, they're too big for u :(
But he has a whole NEST to feed!
Fine, you can have one
I'm hungry for lunch. Where is it?
here
where
here!!
i don't see it!!
It took you too long so the cat ate it.
What cat?
This cat with this cheeseburger:
________
/ ; . : \
~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\_/\ ___
((((( ))))) = o_o =_______ \ \
============ __^ __( \.__) )
\; . : / <_____>__(_____)____/
--------
(ASCII Art is hard!)
Wow, that looks pretty good!
Ditto.
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