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    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 9 10:45:05 2023
    You may have seen this link; it's been the making the rounds.
    Irdeto, manufacturer of the much 'beloved' DRM scheme, Denuvo, posted
    an 'interview' (PR puff-piece) about how they're really the good guys
    in gaming who have an undeserved reputation. Oh, and rumors of Denuvo
    causing slow-downs are totally inaccurate, dude. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/07/denuvo-wants-to-convince-you-its-drm-isnt-evil

    There are so many things wrong with that interview - starting with how
    it assumes the only people complaining about the problems with Denuvo
    are the pirates and moving on from there - but, honestly, I don't
    really care to go over any of that. We've had discussions on that
    topic dozens of times in this newsgroup over the years, and I doubt
    there's much new we'd have to add to the argument.

    (Still, feel free to chime in with your comments. I'll surely pipe up
    if somebody else starts the discussion. ;-)

    Mostly, I wanted to point to THIS web page, which is a useful tool if
    you dislike Denuvo: it tracks which games on Steam use that DRM. It's
    not always obvious if a game is 'protected' by Denuvo. It's sometimes
    - but not always - mentioned on the store page, but even when it is,
    that info is tucked away and hard to see unless you know where to
    look. And sometimes it's not mentioned at all.

    (And sometimes its added after the fact, so even if you perform due
    diligence, you might still get fucked).

    So use this page to see if that game uses Denuvo... and if its worth reconsidering the purchase.

    I mean, eventually it's gonna end up on GOG anyway. ;-)

    Denuvo Game Tracker https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Jul 10 12:03:55 2023
    On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 10:45:05 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    You may have seen this link; it's been the making the rounds.
    Irdeto, manufacturer of the much 'beloved' DRM scheme, Denuvo, posted
    an 'interview' (PR puff-piece) about how they're really the good guys
    in gaming who have an undeserved reputation. Oh, and rumors of Denuvo
    causing slow-downs are totally inaccurate, dude. >https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/07/denuvo-wants-to-convince-you-its-drm-isnt-evil

    There are so many things wrong with that interview - starting with how
    it assumes the only people complaining about the problems with Denuvo
    are the pirates and moving on from there - but, honestly, I don't
    really care to go over any of that. We've had discussions on that
    topic dozens of times in this newsgroup over the years, and I doubt
    there's much new we'd have to add to the argument.

    (Still, feel free to chime in with your comments. I'll surely pipe up
    if somebody else starts the discussion. ;-)

    Mostly, I wanted to point to THIS web page, which is a useful tool if
    you dislike Denuvo: it tracks which games on Steam use that DRM. It's
    not always obvious if a game is 'protected' by Denuvo. It's sometimes
    - but not always - mentioned on the store page, but even when it is,
    that info is tucked away and hard to see unless you know where to
    look. And sometimes it's not mentioned at all.

    (And sometimes its added after the fact, so even if you perform due >diligence, you might still get fucked).

    So use this page to see if that game uses Denuvo... and if its worth >reconsidering the purchase.

    I mean, eventually it's gonna end up on GOG anyway. ;-)

    Denuvo Game Tracker >https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/



    Well, apparently my machine has Denuvo on it. Does it go away when you uninstall the game, or is it one of those "I'm a permanent kernel module
    now" things?

    IIRC, SafeDisc was bloody well built into the OS for a while.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 10 14:43:08 2023
    On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:03:55 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:



    Well, apparently my machine has Denuvo on it. Does it go away when you >uninstall the game, or is it one of those "I'm a permanent kernel module
    now" things?

    AFAIK, the answer is a very definitive "maybe". Different games vary.
    Still, in general most games won't do a complete delete. After all, if
    you had two Denuvo-protected games and uninstalled one, and that one
    totally wiped out the Denuvo backend, the second game would become nonfunctional. So most games leave some lingering traces. But this is
    a common problem with almost all Windows applications; there's always
    some cruft - system DLL files, config files, registry settings - that
    hang around after uninstalling.

    Generally though, once all Denuvo games are removed there aren't any
    active bits running. AFAIK.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 12 08:11:26 2023
    Am 09.07.23 um 16:45 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    There are so many things wrong with that interview - starting with how
    it assumes the only people complaining about the problems with Denuvo
    are the pirates and moving on from there - but, honestly, I don't
    really care to go over any of that. We've had discussions on that
    topic dozens of times in this newsgroup over the years, and I doubt
    there's much new we'd have to add to the argument.
    What do you think would come out of the mouth of a PR guy in such a
    situation. PR guys are by definition professional liars!
    Their entire job revolves around twisting the truth!

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