Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where
has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30 years ago.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the
same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom"
(just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS
vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as ISomeone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30 years ago.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the
same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom"
(just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a WindowsWindows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS
vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup earlier this week;
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30 years ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years, particularly
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the laptop market,
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think of everything from that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
-hh
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:talking to the sales person I saw a customer receive a new MacBook. I walked out with one too. Why is that so remarkable?
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>> John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup earlier this week;Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac >>>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. >>>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was >>>> Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real >>>> advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where >>> has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years, particularly
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going on >>> here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the >>> Raging Debate 30 years ago.
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With theWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the laptop market,
same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom"
(just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for
"lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years >>> ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real >>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has
apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think of everything from >> that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows >>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac >>>> OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and
Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS >>> vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro
rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
-hh
Note that as soon as Apple made a laptop with incredible speed, a good set of ports, and a durable keyboard I bought one. In fact, I bought it about a week after it was announced. I walked into the Apple Store expecting a 2-4 week wait. While I was
Trust Apple to brag about solving problems they created with taking away ports and selling a POS keyboard. LOL. The Apple site is showing no availability at the local store and Dec 3-10 for delivery of my specs. I'm far from the only one delighted withApple's solution to their self-created problems.
Now if Alan Baker would just admit that Apple makes boneheaded mistakes (batterygate, butterfly, missing ports, fragile cables, etc. all denied) all would be in harmony in my Universe.
On 2021-11-10 8:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:talking to the sales person I saw a customer receive a new MacBook. I walked out with one too. Why is that so remarkable?
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>> John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup earlier this week;Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac >>>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. >>>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character >>>> who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was >>>> Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real >>>> advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where >>> has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years, particularly
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going on >>> here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the >>> Raging Debate 30 years ago.
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the >>> same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom" >>> (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for >>> "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 yearsWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the laptop market,
ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real >>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has
apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think of everything fromBack then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows >>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever >>>> since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac >>>> OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and >>> Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS >>> vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro
rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
-hh
Note that as soon as Apple made a laptop with incredible speed, a good set of ports, and a durable keyboard I bought one. In fact, I bought it about a week after it was announced. I walked into the Apple Store expecting a 2-4 week wait. While I was
with Apple's solution to their self-created problems.Trust Apple to brag about solving problems they created with taking away ports and selling a POS keyboard. LOL. The Apple site is showing no availability at the local store and Dec 3-10 for delivery of my specs. I'm far from the only one delighted
Now if Alan Baker would just admit that Apple makes boneheaded mistakes (batterygate, butterfly, missing ports, fragile cables, etc. all denied) all would be in harmony in my Universe.
I've never denied that Apple makes mistakes, Liarboy.
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup earlier this week;
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30 years ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years, particularly
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the laptop market,
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think of everything from that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
-hh
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:36:37 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
On 2021-11-10 8:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob
Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed
to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any
effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still
around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the
others.
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for
Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no
"advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs vs
Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30 years ago.
years, particularly from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows
is for "real men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies".
🙄
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice
bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
I've never denied that Apple makes mistakes, Liarboy.LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think ofXP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first
Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how
far Mac has come since my first experiences with it at work
in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1,
Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total
POS.
everything from that era as being primitive by our current
level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as wellPretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs
ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world
has moved on.
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing
of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new
desktop seen...
-hh
Note that as soon as Apple made a laptop with incredible speed, a
good set of ports, and a durable keyboard I bought one. In fact,
I bought it about a week after it was announced. I walked into
the Apple Store expecting a 2-4 week wait. While I was talking to
the sales person I saw a customer receive a new MacBook. I walked
out with one too. Why is that so remarkable?
Trust Apple to brag about solving problems they created with
taking away ports and selling a POS keyboard. LOL. The Apple site
is showing no availability at the local store and Dec 3-10 for
delivery of my specs. I'm far from the only one delighted with
Apple's solution to their self-created problems.
Now if Alan Baker would just admit that Apple makes boneheaded
mistakes (batterygate, butterfly, missing ports, fragile cables,
etc. all denied) all would be in harmony in my Universe.
I did not say you had denied,
you to my knowledge never admitted. Not the same thing Liarboy. You
have defended and continue to defend Apple criticism. Please cite a
instances where you stated that Apple was in the wrong.
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup earlier this week;
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30 years ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years, particularly
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years
ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the laptop market,
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think of everything from
that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
Yep, Mac OS prior to OS X was junk.
No memory management to speak of, terrible multitasking, crash prone, ...
it was arguably as bad as Windows 98 SE or ME.
Windows 2000 was a revelation. Blew me away! Pretty much bullet-proof. It was an OS 9 contemporary.
It took several years for OS X to catch up, but by then with the move to Intel to me MacBook
became a different dress on the same hardware body. I had years invested in Windows, the
hardware was more affordable, no good reason to switch. Then Apple started taking away
ports and giving up reliability for the sake of fashion - aka Butterfly Keyboard.
But now, well just wow. The new MacBook Pro is as amazing to me as Win 2000 was 21 years
ago. The Windows laptop world cannot compete at the high end at the moment.
If you just want to browse the web, keep up with email, shop and read books a $500 Windows laptop will do that.
My almost 4 year old HP is still quite serviceable. I'm going to keep it in case W11 VM on
the Mac M1 goes away. I might go back to the HP and sell the Mac, then when OS 10 goes
away reassess. In meantime I'll enjoy the new toy.
And Windows versus Mac OS? The companies have "borrowed" so many interface ideas from each
other that it's now comically easy to switch back and forth now. OS 9 vs Win 2000 21 years ago? Not so easy.
Then too, there is the service after the sale dimension. I never appreciated that until I bought
an iPad then an iPhone. I've not needed much in the way of serious device repairs over the last
30 years, but it's good to know that the Apple Store is 20 minutes away.
I'm hoping MS wakes up and makes a W11 version for ARM that includes the Apple M series.
Happy Veteran's Day Hugh
On 11/10/2021 8:49 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell
wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a
Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of
55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character >>>>> who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was >>>>> Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real >>>>> advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
earlier this week;
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some
nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. BasicallyEssentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years,
"Where
has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy"
going on
here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was
the
Raging Debate 30 years ago.
particularly
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the >>>> same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom"Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
(just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for
"lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30
years
ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for
"real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
laptop market,
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has
apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think ofBack then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever >>>>> since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic
Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and >>>> Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
everything from
that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue aboutPretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
VHS
vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro
rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
-hh
Yep, Mac OS prior to OS X was junk. No memory management to speak of,
terrible multitasking, crash prone, it was arguably as bad as Windows
98 SE or ME. Windows 2000 was a revelation. Blew me away! Pretty much
bullet-proof. It was an OS 9 contemporary. It took several years for
OS X to catch up, but by then with the move to Intel to me MacBook
became a different dress on the same hardware body. I had years
invested in Windows, the hardware was more affordable, no good reason
to switch. Then Apple started taking away ports and giving up
reliability for the sake of fashion - aka Butterfly Keyboard.
But now, well just wow. The new MacBook Pro is as amazing to me as Win
2000 was 21 years ago. The Windows laptop world cannot compete at the
high end at the moment. If you just want to browse the web, keep up
with email, shop and read books a $500 Windows laptop will do that. My
almost 4 year old HP is still quite serviceable. I'm going to keep it
in case W11 VM on the Mac M1 goes away. I might go back to the HP and
sell the Mac, then when OS 10 goes away reassess. In meantime I'll
enjoy the new toy.
And Windows versus Mac OS? The companies have "borrowed" so many
interface ideas from each other that it's now comically easy to switch
back and forth now. OS 9 vs Win 2000 21 years ago? Not so easy.
Then too, there is the service after the sale dimension. I never
appreciated that until I bought an iPad then an iPhone. I've not
needed much in the way of serious device repairs over the last 30
years, but it's good to know that the Apple Store is 20 minutes away.
I'm hoping MS wakes up and makes a W11 version for ARM that includes
the Apple M series.
Happy Veteran's Day Hugh
I must say you have become quite the Apple fanboy Tom. In spite of
Alans "advocacy"
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:It took several years for OS X to catch up, but by then with the move to Intel to me MacBook became a different dress on the same hardware body. I had years invested in Windows, the hardware was more affordable, no good reason to switch. Then Apple
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>> John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup earlier this week;Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac >>>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. >>>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was >>>> Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real >>>> advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where >>> has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years, particularly
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going on >>> here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the >>> Raging Debate 30 years ago.
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With theWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the laptop market,
same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom"
(just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for
"lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years >>> ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real >>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has
apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think of everything from >> that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows >>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac >>>> OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and
Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS >>> vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro
rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
-hh
Yep, Mac OS prior to OS X was junk. No memory management to speak of, terrible multitasking, crash prone, it was arguably as bad as Windows 98 SE or ME. Windows 2000 was a revelation. Blew me away! Pretty much bullet-proof. It was an OS 9 contemporary.
But now, well just wow. The new MacBook Pro is as amazing to me as Win 2000 was 21 years ago. The Windows laptop world cannot compete at the high end at the moment. If you just want to browse the web, keep up with email, shop and read books a $500Windows laptop will do that. My almost 4 year old HP is still quite serviceable. I'm going to keep it in case W11 VM on the Mac M1 goes away. I might go back to the HP and sell the Mac, then when OS 10 goes away reassess. In meantime I'll enjoy the new
And Windows versus Mac OS? The companies have "borrowed" so many interface ideas from each other that it's now comically easy to switch back and forth now. OS 9 vs Win 2000 21 years ago? Not so easy.minutes away. I'm hoping MS wakes up and makes a W11 version for ARM that includes the Apple M series.
Then too, there is the service after the sale dimension. I never appreciated that until I bought an iPad then an iPhone. I've not needed much in the way of serious device repairs over the last 30 years, but it's good to know that the Apple Store is 20
Happy Veteran's Day Hugh
On 2021-11-11 1:33 p.m., John wrote:
On 11/10/2021 8:49 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell
wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I >>>>>> recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age
of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character >>>>>> who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There >>>>>> was
Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any
real
advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
earlier this week;
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some
nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. BasicallyEssentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years,
"Where
has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy"
going on
here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That
was the
Raging Debate 30 years ago.
particularly
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the >>>>> same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom" >>>>> (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for >>>>> "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like MacsWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
30 years
ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for
"real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
laptop market,
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has >>>> apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think ofBack then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever >>>>>> since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come >>>>>> since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties.
Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95
and
Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
everything from
that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well arguePretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
about VHS
vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro >>>> rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
-hh
Yep, Mac OS prior to OS X was junk. No memory management to speak of,
terrible multitasking, crash prone, it was arguably as bad as Windows
98 SE or ME. Windows 2000 was a revelation. Blew me away! Pretty much
bullet-proof. It was an OS 9 contemporary. It took several years for
OS X to catch up, but by then with the move to Intel to me MacBook
became a different dress on the same hardware body. I had years
invested in Windows, the hardware was more affordable, no good reason
to switch. Then Apple started taking away ports and giving up
reliability for the sake of fashion - aka Butterfly Keyboard.
But now, well just wow. The new MacBook Pro is as amazing to me as
Win 2000 was 21 years ago. The Windows laptop world cannot compete at
the high end at the moment. If you just want to browse the web, keep
up with email, shop and read books a $500 Windows laptop will do
that. My almost 4 year old HP is still quite serviceable. I'm going
to keep it in case W11 VM on the Mac M1 goes away. I might go back to
the HP and sell the Mac, then when OS 10 goes away reassess. In
meantime I'll enjoy the new toy.
And Windows versus Mac OS? The companies have "borrowed" so many
interface ideas from each other that it's now comically easy to
switch back and forth now. OS 9 vs Win 2000 21 years ago? Not so easy.
Then too, there is the service after the sale dimension. I never
appreciated that until I bought an iPad then an iPhone. I've not
needed much in the way of serious device repairs over the last 30
years, but it's good to know that the Apple Store is 20 minutes away.
I'm hoping MS wakes up and makes a W11 version for ARM that includes
the Apple M series.
Happy Veteran's Day Hugh
I must say you have become quite the Apple fanboy Tom. In spite of
Alans "advocacy"
I'm still not convinced that this isn't all just a ploy...
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:49:55 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup earlier this week;
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was
Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real
advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. Basically "Where
has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy" going onEssentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years, particularly
here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was the
Raging Debate 30 years ago.
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years
ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "realWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the laptop market,
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 andLOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think of everything from
Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about VHS
vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
Yep, Mac OS prior to OS X was junk.IME, that's a pretty harsh claim, as it isn't providing much balance in context to just
how limited things in that era were.
No memory management to speak of, terrible multitasking, crash prone, ...
Apple did have some elements where they had been backed into a corner, but I always
found that many of the complaints were exaggerated "fanboy" biased attacks. For
example, Multitasker was attacked for being "cooperative", but for its day (1987; with
OS 5) on RAM-limited computers at the Mac's price point, it was a breakthrough, shipping
nearly a decade earlier than Microsoft's Win95 even though it wasn't the "preemptive"
that the purists claimed they wanted: it was a significant productivity enhancement.
Regarding crashes, these were often because of too many extensions, which prompted
the Extension Manager (and even a joke Extension which only loaded a ton of Extension
Icons to make your coworkers jealous). Meantime, Windows was in "DLL Hell".
it was arguably as bad as Windows 98 SE or ME.Sounds like you're mostly trying to compare OS 9, rather than any of the prior ~15 years
worth of matchups. Its worth noting how Windows users were often so "clingy" to certain
OS revisions, often refused to let go for years & despite attempts by MS to force upgrades
(see XP), it is clear that the grass wasn't really all that greener on the Windows side.
Windows 2000 was a revelation. Blew me away! Pretty much bullet-proof. It was an OS 9 contemporary.A vast improvement but not really a contemporary to OS 9 per se, for just as how Apple was
going through a very public transition from Classical OS to OS X, Microsoft was more quietly
doing the same, by taking their commercial grade OS of NT and working to "consumerize" it.
As such, you're trying to compare a commercial grade product to a consumer grade one.
Even so, while MS's NT conversion did well for business PCs, home PC users got shafted pretty
thoroughly: there were a ton of howls of complaints because the NT architecture broke a lot
of their PC hardware accessories because the legacy drivers were incompatible, and PC
manufacturers weren't writing new NT drivers for old hardware.
It took several years for OS X to catch up, but by then with the move to Intel to me MacBookI was using both Mac & Windows through this era, although I skipped over the initial rollout of
became a different dress on the same hardware body. I had years invested in Windows, the
hardware was more affordable, no good reason to switch. Then Apple started taking away
ports and giving up reliability for the sake of fashion - aka Butterfly Keyboard.
OS X; jumped in at 10.2 or 10.3 ; by the point, it was IMO already quite comparable to XP.
And we've already talked at length of how Ive went downhill after Jobs, probably from Tim
pushing ever harder for manufacturing economies.
But now, well just wow. The new MacBook Pro is as amazing to me as Win 2000 was 21 yearsIt will be interesting to watch how MS response to the Apple ARM chip, particularly since they've
ago. The Windows laptop world cannot compete at the high end at the moment.
been dabbling for years (remember Windows CE?)
If you just want to browse the web, keep up with email, shop and read books a $500 Windows laptop will do that.As well as a $300 iPad.
My almost 4 year old HP is still quite serviceable. I'm going to keep it in case W11 VM onSo long as there's no monthly software rental fee, one may as well. At least old laptops take up
the Mac M1 goes away. I might go back to the HP and sell the Mac, then when OS 10 goes
away reassess. In meantime I'll enjoy the new toy.
less space than old desktops. I recently pulled out & used a 2008 MacBook Pro; was kind of
amazed that the battery took a charge. Main problem it had was that its browser wasn't compatible
with many websites because of "https" security requirements.
And Windows versus Mac OS? The companies have "borrowed" so many interface ideas from eachIts always been comparable to different brands of cars, with slightly different controls layouts.
other that it's now comically easy to switch back and forth now. OS 9 vs Win 2000 21 years ago? Not so easy.
Then too, there is the service after the sale dimension. I never appreciated that until I boughtWhich is worth something. Its surprising how often people forget about lifecycle management.
an iPad then an iPhone. I've not needed much in the way of serious device repairs over the last
30 years, but it's good to know that the Apple Store is 20 minutes away.
I'm hoping MS wakes up and makes a W11 version for ARM that includes the Apple M series.Considering how much they've dabbled with CE over the years, they clearly know about how
there's that hardware factor. Comes down to the question of if they see the PC market start
to shift more away from Intel to make more of a compelling business case to make it official.
Happy Veteran's Day HughYes, it is a day for remembrance; we'll be running up our flag from the USS Arizona this morning
for those who will not grow old.
-hh
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:57:40 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:49:55 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob
Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed
to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any
effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still
around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the
others.
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for
Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no
"advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs vs
Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30 years ago.
years, particularly from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows
is for "real men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies".
🙄
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice
bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
IME, that's a pretty harsh claim, as it isn't providing muchLOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think ofXP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first
Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how
far Mac has come since my first experiences with it at work
in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1,
Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total
POS.
everything from that era as being primitive by our current
level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well
argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs
ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world
has moved on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing
of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new
desktop seen...
Yep, Mac OS prior to OS X was junk.
balance in context to just how limited things in that era were.
No memory management to speak of, terrible multitasking, crash
prone, ...
Apple did have some elements where they had been backed into a
corner, but I always found that many of the complaints were
exaggerated "fanboy" biased attacks. For example, Multitasker was
attacked for being "cooperative", but for its day (1987; with OS 5)
on RAM-limited computers at the Mac's price point, it was a
breakthrough, shipping nearly a decade earlier than Microsoft's
Win95 even though it wasn't the "preemptive" that the purists
claimed they wanted: it was a significant productivity
enhancement.
Regarding crashes, these were often because of too many extensions,
which prompted the Extension Manager (and even a joke Extension
which only loaded a ton of Extension Icons to make your coworkers
jealous). Meantime, Windows was in "DLL Hell".
it was arguably as bad as Windows 98 SE or ME.Sounds like you're mostly trying to compare OS 9, rather than any
of the prior ~15 years worth of matchups. Its worth noting how
Windows users were often so "clingy" to certain OS revisions, often
refused to let go for years & despite attempts by MS to force
upgrades (see XP), it is clear that the grass wasn't really all
that greener on the Windows side.
Windows 2000 was a revelation. Blew me away! Pretty muchA vast improvement but not really a contemporary to OS 9 per se,
bullet-proof. It was an OS 9 contemporary.
for just as how Apple was going through a very public transition
from Classical OS to OS X, Microsoft was more quietly doing the
same, by taking their commercial grade OS of NT and working to
"consumerize" it. As such, you're trying to compare a commercial
grade product to a consumer grade one.
Even so, while MS's NT conversion did well for business PCs, home
PC users got shafted pretty thoroughly: there were a ton of howls
of complaints because the NT architecture broke a lot of their PC
hardware accessories because the legacy drivers were incompatible,
and PC manufacturers weren't writing new NT drivers for old
hardware.
It took several years for OS X to catch up, but by then with theI was using both Mac & Windows through this era, although I skipped
move to Intel to me MacBook became a different dress on the same
hardware body. I had years invested in Windows, the hardware was
more affordable, no good reason to switch. Then Apple started
taking away ports and giving up reliability for the sake of
fashion - aka Butterfly Keyboard.
over the initial rollout of OS X; jumped in at 10.2 or 10.3 ; by
the point, it was IMO already quite comparable to XP. And we've
already talked at length of how Ive went downhill after Jobs,
probably from Tim pushing ever harder for manufacturing economies.
It will be interesting to watch how MS response to the Apple ARM
But now, well just wow. The new MacBook Pro is as amazing to me
as Win 2000 was 21 years ago. The Windows laptop world cannot
compete at the high end at the moment.
chip, particularly since they've been dabbling for years (remember
Windows CE?)
If you just want to browse the web, keep up with email, shop andAs well as a $300 iPad.
read books a $500 Windows laptop will do that.
My almost 4 year old HP is still quite serviceable. I'm going toSo long as there's no monthly software rental fee, one may as well.
keep it in case W11 VM on the Mac M1 goes away. I might go back
to the HP and sell the Mac, then when OS 10 goes away reassess.
In meantime I'll enjoy the new toy.
At least old laptops take up less space than old desktops. I
recently pulled out & used a 2008 MacBook Pro; was kind of amazed
that the battery took a charge. Main problem it had was that its
browser wasn't compatible with many websites because of "https"
security requirements.
Its always been comparable to different brands of cars, with
And Windows versus Mac OS? The companies have "borrowed" so many
interface ideas from each other that it's now comically easy to
switch back and forth now. OS 9 vs Win 2000 21 years ago? Not so
easy.
slightly different controls layouts.
Which is worth something. Its surprising how often people forget
Then too, there is the service after the sale dimension. I never
appreciated that until I bought an iPad then an iPhone. I've not
needed much in the way of serious device repairs over the last 30
years, but it's good to know that the Apple Store is 20 minutes
away.
about lifecycle management.
I'm hoping MS wakes up and makes a W11 version for ARM thatConsidering how much they've dabbled with CE over the years, they
includes the Apple M series.
clearly know about how there's that hardware factor. Comes down to
the question of if they see the PC market start to shift more away
from Intel to make more of a compelling business case to make it
official.
Happy Veteran's Day HughYes, it is a day for remembrance; we'll be running up our flag from
the USS Arizona this morning for those who will not grow old.
-hh
I got my OS 9 machine after Win 2000 on a new HP laptop. There was NO comparison. I could barely load 3 or 4 apps in OS 9 before it ran out
of RAM. Windows 2000 would load everything I had and keep trucking
along. It was light years ahead of Mac OS. XP came out in late 2001
and was also stable from the get-go. Yes it broke a few things, but
so did OS X vs. OS 9 and then the transition to Intel broke more.
You are right, after Windows 7 things started going downhill for a
while until V.10. There are advantages to being #2.
I hope you are right about Microsoft seeing the laptop CPU
trajectory. With Intel intending to build foundry fabs it should be
crystal clear. There is nothing to prevent Windows-centric
manufacturers from imitating Apple and getting into the chip design
business. TSMC is prototyping a 3 nm process for Apple. We have not
seen anything yet. Moore's Law is still alive and well in the world
of throughput, if not CPU speed. The locus of innovation has moved.
On 2021-11-10 8:16 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:36:37 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows >>>>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first
On 2021-11-10 8:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob
Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed
to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any
effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still
around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the
others.
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for
Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no
"advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs vs
Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30 years ago.
years, particularly from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows
is for "real men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies".
🙄
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice
bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
I've never denied that Apple makes mistakes, Liarboy.LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think ofMac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how
far Mac has come since my first experiences with it at work
in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1,
Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total
POS.
everything from that era as being primitive by our current
level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as wellPretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs
ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world
has moved on.
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing
of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new
desktop seen...
-hh
Note that as soon as Apple made a laptop with incredible speed, a
good set of ports, and a durable keyboard I bought one. In fact,
I bought it about a week after it was announced. I walked into
the Apple Store expecting a 2-4 week wait. While I was talking to
the sales person I saw a customer receive a new MacBook. I walked
out with one too. Why is that so remarkable?
Trust Apple to brag about solving problems they created with
taking away ports and selling a POS keyboard. LOL. The Apple site
is showing no availability at the local store and Dec 3-10 for
delivery of my specs. I'm far from the only one delighted with
Apple's solution to their self-created problems.
Now if Alan Baker would just admit that Apple makes boneheaded
mistakes (batterygate, butterfly, missing ports, fragile cables,
etc. all denied) all would be in harmony in my Universe.
I did not say you had denied,That is precisely what you just said, Idiot.
"all denied"
you to my knowledge never admitted. Not the same thing Liarboy. YouNo, Idiot.
have defended and continue to defend Apple criticism. Please cite a instances where you stated that Apple was in the wrong.
It's your claim that I've denied that Apple has made mistakes.
YOU give an example of this.
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:58:49 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows >>>>>>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my
On 2021-11-10 8:16 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:36:37 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob
Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time
hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember
Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall.
Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was
an interesting character who was into high end audio.
Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope
he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any
real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
newsgroup earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they
were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new
home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for
Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no
"advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs
vs Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30
years ago.
years, particularly from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS andWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on
Android. With the same arguments being made. Android is
"open" and represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30
years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings"
who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30
years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever.
Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple
is for "kiddies". 🙄
the laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a
nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
That is precisely what you just said, Idiot.I've never denied that Apple makes mistakes, Liarboy.LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much thinkfirst Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing
about how far Mac has come since my first experiences
with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure
was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3,
3.1, Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME
was a total POS.
of everything from that era as being primitive by our
current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as wellPretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM
vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The
world has moved on.
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm
hearing of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get
a new desktop seen...
-hh
Note that as soon as Apple made a laptop with incredible
speed, a good set of ports, and a durable keyboard I bought
one. In fact, I bought it about a week after it was
announced. I walked into the Apple Store expecting a 2-4 week
wait. While I was talking to the sales person I saw a
customer receive a new MacBook. I walked out with one too.
Why is that so remarkable?
Trust Apple to brag about solving problems they created with
taking away ports and selling a POS keyboard. LOL. The Apple
site is showing no availability at the local store and Dec
3-10 for delivery of my specs. I'm far from the only one
delighted with Apple's solution to their self-created
problems.
Now if Alan Baker would just admit that Apple makes
boneheaded mistakes (batterygate, butterfly, missing ports,
fragile cables, etc. all denied) all would be in harmony in
my Universe.
I did not say you had denied,
"all denied"
you to my knowledge never admitted. Not the same thing Liarboy.No, Idiot.
You have defended and continue to defend Apple criticism. Please
cite a instances where you stated that Apple was in the wrong.
It's your claim that I've denied that Apple has made mistakes.
YOU give an example of this.
Oh come on Alan. Think back to iPhone 6 battery issues. You claimed
that Apple was acting in good faith when it put CPU throttling in iOS
without telling anyone.
On 2021-11-11 1:33 p.m., John wrote:
On 11/10/2021 8:49 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell
wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a >>>>> Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was >>>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I >>>>> recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of >>>>> 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character >>>>> who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was >>>>> Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real >>>>> advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
earlier this week;
last I checked up on him, they were doing okay; his blog has some
nice pics of
his new home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago. BasicallyEssentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for years,
"Where
has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no "advocacy"
going on
here because no one cares about Macs vs Windows these days. That was >>>> the
Raging Debate 30 years ago.
particularly
from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With the >>>> same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom" >>>> (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for >>>> "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 >>>> yearsWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for
"real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
laptop market,
where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has >>> apparently given them a nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much think ofBack then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever >>>>> since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come >>>>> since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic >>>>> Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3, 3.1, Win95 and >>>> Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME was a total POS.
everything from
that era as being primitive by our current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue about >>>> VHSPretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP.
Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac Pro >>> rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
-hh
Yep, Mac OS prior to OS X was junk. No memory management to speak of,
terrible multitasking, crash prone, it was arguably as bad as Windows
98 SE or ME. Windows 2000 was a revelation. Blew me away! Pretty much
bullet-proof. It was an OS 9 contemporary. It took several years for
OS X to catch up, but by then with the move to Intel to me MacBook
became a different dress on the same hardware body. I had years
invested in Windows, the hardware was more affordable, no good reason
to switch. Then Apple started taking away ports and giving up
reliability for the sake of fashion - aka Butterfly Keyboard.
But now, well just wow. The new MacBook Pro is as amazing to me as Win
2000 was 21 years ago. The Windows laptop world cannot compete at the
high end at the moment. If you just want to browse the web, keep up
with email, shop and read books a $500 Windows laptop will do that. My
almost 4 year old HP is still quite serviceable. I'm going to keep it
in case W11 VM on the Mac M1 goes away. I might go back to the HP and
sell the Mac, then when OS 10 goes away reassess. In meantime I'll
enjoy the new toy.
And Windows versus Mac OS? The companies have "borrowed" so many
interface ideas from each other that it's now comically easy to switch
back and forth now. OS 9 vs Win 2000 21 years ago? Not so easy.
Then too, there is the service after the sale dimension. I never
appreciated that until I bought an iPad then an iPhone. I've not
needed much in the way of serious device repairs over the last 30
years, but it's good to know that the Apple Store is 20 minutes away.
I'm hoping MS wakes up and makes a W11 version for ARM that includes
the Apple M series.
Happy Veteran's Day Hugh
I must say you have become quite the Apple fanboy Tom. In spite ofI'm still not convinced that this isn't all just a ploy...
Alans "advocacy"
On 2021-11-11 3:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:58:49 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows >>>>>>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my
On 2021-11-10 8:16 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:36:37 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob
Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time
hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember
Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall.
Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was
an interesting character who was into high end audio.
Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope
he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any
real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
newsgroup earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they
were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new
home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for
Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no
"advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs
vs Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30
years ago.
years, particularly from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS andWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on
Android. With the same arguments being made. Android is
"open" and represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30
years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings"
who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30
years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever.
Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple
is for "kiddies". 🙄
the laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a
nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
That is precisely what you just said, Idiot.I've never denied that Apple makes mistakes, Liarboy.LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much thinkfirst Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing
about how far Mac has come since my first experiences
with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure
was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3,
3.1, Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME
was a total POS.
of everything from that era as being primitive by our
current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as wellPretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM
vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The
world has moved on.
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm
hearing of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get
a new desktop seen...
-hh
Note that as soon as Apple made a laptop with incredible
speed, a good set of ports, and a durable keyboard I bought
one. In fact, I bought it about a week after it was
announced. I walked into the Apple Store expecting a 2-4 week
wait. While I was talking to the sales person I saw a
customer receive a new MacBook. I walked out with one too.
Why is that so remarkable?
Trust Apple to brag about solving problems they created with
taking away ports and selling a POS keyboard. LOL. The Apple
site is showing no availability at the local store and Dec
3-10 for delivery of my specs. I'm far from the only one
delighted with Apple's solution to their self-created
problems.
Now if Alan Baker would just admit that Apple makes
boneheaded mistakes (batterygate, butterfly, missing ports,
fragile cables, etc. all denied) all would be in harmony in
my Universe.
I did not say you had denied,
"all denied"
you to my knowledge never admitted. Not the same thing Liarboy.No, Idiot.
You have defended and continue to defend Apple criticism. Please
cite a instances where you stated that Apple was in the wrong.
It's your claim that I've denied that Apple has made mistakes.
YOU give an example of this.
Oh come on Alan. Think back to iPhone 6 battery issues. You claimed
that Apple was acting in good faith when it put CPU throttling in iOS without telling anyone.
Quotes, please.
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-11 3:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:58:49 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows >>>>>>>>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my
On 2021-11-10 8:16 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:36:37 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-10 8:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:47:24 AM UTC-5, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:27:19 AM UTC-5, Bob
Campbell wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time
hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember
Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall.
Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was
an interesting character who was into high end audio.
Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope
he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any
real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
newsgroup earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they
were doing okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new
home & office layout, etc.
Someone else posted a similar question a few weeks ago.Essentially, the "Apple is doomed!" has been debunked for
Basically "Where has all the Mac Advocacy gone?"
I'll give the same answer as I did then. There is no
"advocacy" going on here because no one cares about Macs
vs Windows these days. That was the Raging Debate 30
years ago.
years, particularly from the rise of iOS & AAPL price.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS andWell, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on
Android. With the same arguments being made. Android is
"open" and represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30
years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings"
who want to make a "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30
years ago).
It is all just as silly and stupid as ever.
Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple
is for "kiddies". 🙄
the laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a
nice bump in October sales:
"... 24% U.S. market share as of October 2021.."
<https://macdailynews.com/2021/11/08/apple-mac-takes-24-share-of-u-s-laptop-market/>
Quotes, please.That is precisely what you just said, Idiot.I've never denied that Apple makes mistakes, Liarboy.LOL, I was thinking the same thing: we pretty much thinkfirst Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing
about how far Mac has come since my first experiences
with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure
was an embarrasment.
Windows was just as embarrassing before Windows 2000. 3,
3.1, Win95 and Win98 were all based on DOS. Windows ME
was a total POS.
of everything from that era as being primitive by our
current level of expectations.
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as wellPretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
argue about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM
vs ZMODEM. ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The
world has moved on.
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm
hearing of some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get
a new desktop seen...
-hh
Note that as soon as Apple made a laptop with incredible
speed, a good set of ports, and a durable keyboard I bought
one. In fact, I bought it about a week after it was
announced. I walked into the Apple Store expecting a 2-4 week
wait. While I was talking to the sales person I saw a
customer receive a new MacBook. I walked out with one too.
Why is that so remarkable?
Trust Apple to brag about solving problems they created with
taking away ports and selling a POS keyboard. LOL. The Apple
site is showing no availability at the local store and Dec
3-10 for delivery of my specs. I'm far from the only one
delighted with Apple's solution to their self-created
problems.
Now if Alan Baker would just admit that Apple makes
boneheaded mistakes (batterygate, butterfly, missing ports,
fragile cables, etc. all denied) all would be in harmony in
my Universe.
I did not say you had denied,
"all denied"
you to my knowledge never admitted. Not the same thing Liarboy.No, Idiot.
You have defended and continue to defend Apple criticism. Please
cite a instances where you stated that Apple was in the wrong.
It's your claim that I've denied that Apple has made mistakes.
YOU give an example of this.
Oh come on Alan. Think back to iPhone 6 battery issues. You claimed
that Apple was acting in good faith when it put CPU throttling in iOS
without telling anyone.
Look at the "Apple's Plan to Pay $500 Million to Settle Lawsuit Over Secretly Throttling Older iPhones Gets Preliminary Approval today" for your defense of
Apple in a massive battery lawsuit they settled instead of going to trial.
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
Oh come on Alan. Think back to iPhone 6 battery issues. YouQuotes, please.
claimed that Apple was acting in good faith when it put CPU
throttling in iOS without telling anyone.
Look at the "Apple's Plan to Pay $500 Million to Settle Lawsuit Over
Secretly Throttling Older iPhones Gets Preliminary Approval today"
for your defense of Apple in a massive battery lawsuit they settled
instead of going to trial.
John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to
be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective
advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the
name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago
at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who
was an interesting character who was into high end audio. Think
he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK.
Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot
remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing okay;
his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office layout, etc.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With
the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents
"freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is
the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement"
(just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all just as silly and stupid
as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple
is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped
MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump in October
sales:
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC
vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac
Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a
Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy
was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age
of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first
Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties.
Classic Mac OS sure was an embarrasment.
John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to
be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective
advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the
name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago
at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who
was an interesting character who was into high end audio. Think
he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK.
Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot
remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing okay;
his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office layout, etc.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With
the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents
"freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is
the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement"
(just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all just as silly and stupid
as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple
is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped
MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump in October
sales:
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC
vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac
Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh
wrote:
John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to
be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective
advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the
name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago
at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who
was an interesting character who was into high end audio. Think
he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK.
Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot
remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroupI'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working great.
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing okay;
his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office layout, etc.
These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With
the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is
the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement"
(just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all just as silly and stupid
as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple
is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on theAnd kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump in October
sales:
But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC
vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go throughI recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac
Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
--
Sandman
On 2021-11-12 2:03 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
Oh come on Alan. Think back to iPhone 6 battery issues. YouQuotes, please.
claimed that Apple was acting in good faith when it put CPU
throttling in iOS without telling anyone.
Look at the "Apple's Plan to Pay $500 Million to Settle Lawsuit Over Secretly Throttling Older iPhones Gets Preliminary Approval today"So I did look at the thread...
for your defense of Apple in a massive battery lawsuit they settled
instead of going to trial.
(It was only 10 posts; 2 of which were from the hardcore anti-Apple
zealot, "Arlen")
...and I didn't find a single word where I stated that Apple was acting
in good faith.
Here are all the substantive statements I made in that thread:
Post 2:
"And what you don't get is that a settlement is by no means an admission
of guilt."
Post7:
"They screwed up, as in: they erred.
But as I said, this is no admission of actual wrongdoing that could have resulted in a judgement against them."
Post 10 (in reply to you):
"So you agree that you have no support for Apple's guilt in this."
And you had no rebuttal for that.
If that was your best shot, Idiot...
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:59:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-12 2:03 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:So I did look at the thread...
Oh come on Alan. Think back to iPhone 6 battery issues. YouQuotes, please.
claimed that Apple was acting in good faith when it put CPU
throttling in iOS without telling anyone.
Look at the "Apple's Plan to Pay $500 Million to Settle Lawsuit Over
Secretly Throttling Older iPhones Gets Preliminary Approval today"
for your defense of Apple in a massive battery lawsuit they settled
instead of going to trial.
(It was only 10 posts; 2 of which were from the hardcore anti-Apple
zealot, "Arlen")
...and I didn't find a single word where I stated that Apple was acting
in good faith.
Here are all the substantive statements I made in that thread:
Post 2:
"And what you don't get is that a settlement is by no means an admission
of guilt."
Post7:
"They screwed up, as in: they erred.
But as I said, this is no admission of actual wrongdoing that could have
resulted in a judgement against them."
Post 10 (in reply to you):
"So you agree that you have no support for Apple's guilt in this."
And you had no rebuttal for that.
If that was your best shot, Idiot...
LOL you still used the settling is no admission of guilt argument.
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's workingJohn <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
great.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's workingJohn <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
great.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP cannot...
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.Do it.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you, Idiot?
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's workingJohn <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
great.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP cannot...
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.Do it.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you, Idiot?
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's workingJohn <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
great.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
cannot...
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
Do it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
Idiot?
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's workingJohn <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
great.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
cannot...
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
Do it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
Idiot?
No Alan, when I wrote that post I thought I had lots of time to make the video. A boot looping Mac was nowhere on my radar screen. The HP is still running like new.
On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's workingJohn <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - >>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
great.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at >>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
cannot...
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
Do it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
Idiot?
No and no.
Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth.
On 11/17/2021 5:34 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's workingJohn <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - >>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
great.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at >>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
cannot...
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
Do it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
Idiot?
No Alan, when I wrote that post I thought I had lots of time to make the video. A boot looping Mac was nowhere on my radar screen. The HP is still running like new.
Nice to know the HPs loud fan is still spinning!!!
On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:No and no.
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working >>>>>> great.John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta >>>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who >>>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - >>>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real >>>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump >>>>>>> in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue >>>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of >>>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini. >>>>>>
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at >>>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
cannot...
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
Do it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you, >>>> Idiot?
Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth.
You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.
On 2021-11-29 4:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:No and no.
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote: >>>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote: >>>>>>2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP >>>> cannot...
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working >>>>>> great.John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly >>>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta >>>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he >>>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a >>>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who >>>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - >>>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup >>>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. >>>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and >>>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all >>>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real >>>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the >>>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump >>>>>>> in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell >>>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think >>>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new >>>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini. >>>>>>But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue >>>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. >>>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved >>>>>>>> on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of >>>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop >>>>>>> seen...
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old >>>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at >>>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro. >>>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of >>>> booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower >>>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two. >>>> Do it.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you, >>>> Idiot?
Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing >> but the truth.
You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.
I call you a liar, Idiot...
...because you have regularly lied.
On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's workingJohn <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - >>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
great.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at >>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
cannot...
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
Do it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
Idiot?
No and no.
Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth.
On 2021-11-29 4:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:No and no.
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote: >>>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote: >>>>>>2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP >>>> cannot...
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working >>>>>> great.John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly >>>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta >>>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he >>>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a >>>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who >>>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - >>>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup >>>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. >>>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and >>>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all >>>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real >>>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the >>>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump >>>>>>> in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell >>>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think >>>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new >>>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini. >>>>>>But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue >>>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. >>>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved >>>>>>>> on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of >>>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop >>>>>>> seen...
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old >>>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at >>>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro. >>>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of >>>> booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower >>>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two. >>>> Do it.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you, >>>> Idiot?
Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing >> but the truth.
You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.
I call you a liar, Idiot...
...because you have regularly lied.
Your number, even tied to your name, is in a public
database.
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 6:44:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-29 4:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:No and no.
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote: >>>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote: >>>>>>2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP >>>> cannot...
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working >>>>>> great.John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was >>>>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly >>>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta >>>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he >>>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a >>>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who >>>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. >>>>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - >>>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup >>>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing >>>>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. >>>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and >>>>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and >>>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a >>>>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all >>>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real >>>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the >>>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump >>>>>>> in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell >>>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think >>>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new >>>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini. >>>>>>But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue >>>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. >>>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved >>>>>>>> on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of >>>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop >>>>>>> seen...
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old >>>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro. >>>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of >>>> booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower >>>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left >>>>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new >>>>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two. >>>> Do it.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
Idiot?
Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth.
You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.
I call you a liar, Idiot...
...because you have regularly lied.Dustin Cook AKA Diesel AKA Gremlin lying about his 1-423-491-1448 phone number:
<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
Prior to my giving you that cell number, there was no way
at all for you to link it to me in any possible way shape
or form. it doesn't come up in any records search on me.
It is using a recycled number, but damn near everything is
these days so that doesn't count as public information,
snit.
...
As in, the cell doesn't come back to me, wouldn't ever
come back to me, therefore the fact *I* have that cell
number is NOT public information. I find it very hard to
believe that even you'd have difficulty understanding this
concept.
-----
<XnsAC32AD...@VoX89Pwp95.083.GODrcd>
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I've only been sharing whats available via a public
database. You haven't. :)
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<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
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You cannot find any link to that number to me on any
database. Which makes it private. not public as you
incorrectly assume.
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<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
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Your number, even tied to your name, is in a public
database.
No, it's not. You already tried to link the two of us
previously.
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<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
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It's not a publically known number that links to me. And
he knows that.
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<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
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The number is NOT TIED TO ME in any public database, in
any way shape or form. You cannot get the number aside
from my having provided it to you via a google search or a
public records search.
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<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
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Regardless of where the number shows up, it doesn't tie
itself to me, and you cannot associate the number with me
via a google search, OR any number of free/paid public
records searches. Therefore, that is PRIVATE information
that you think you're holding over my head, not public as
you erroneously think here.
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<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
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It's not, running my name doesn't provide that cell
number. The two are not linked in any way shape or form.
The number itself as is the case with any recycled number
is in all kinds of databases, but it's not linked to me;
therefore, that IS PRIVATE information that you can't get
via a google search or a paid public records search.
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<XnsAC1D79...@889n4Sx8GWE.MNnkz50hZNVS.fh0SYyRp>
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They are relevant to the fact YOU INSERTED the phone
number I provided you verbally into a bogus call log video
you've taken the time to create. When I use the cell I
provided you the number for to make outbound calls, It
*ALWAYS* reports Kingsport, TN. Not one single time has it
ever, nor would it have any reason to report Johnson City.
It doesn't pick cities at random, it doesn't go by my
present location, either. That's actually fixed, as is the
number assigned to the phone.
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<XnsAC17C6...@4uMkH0FFER6s72gSy7J8N4B67.Mht3WTC373bt67J31gn>
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You didn't even score the right city, Snit. And, the
correct city is common, public knowledge with the regulars
here. The moment you unblocked 'Johnson City' in your
videos, you were busted.
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<XnsAC212D...@gt3i2B7y.5N0FOv3e210vLOej4O4doj8b>
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David, every single Address you've posted that's supposed
to be mine has been Kingsport. Not Johnson City. Don't you
think you should tell snit that was a fuckup on his part
by now? :)
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<XnsAC2110...@3R4NM89td0T86C.231IPkH>
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His response to that was to file a report with the
kingsport,tn police. Well hell, why not the johnson city
ones? That's where he claimed the call said it originated
from. :)
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Dustin Cook is a functionally illiterate fraud
On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote: >>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working >>>> great.John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly >>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta >>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who >>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - >>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
layout, etc.
And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. >>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and >>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
"fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real >>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the >>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump >>>>> in October sales:
I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the DellBut again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue >>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved >>>>>> on.
Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of >>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
seen...
Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think >>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini. >>>>
-- Sandman
Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old >>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at >>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
booting, launching applications, etc.
It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP >> cannot...
res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
Do it.
I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you, >> Idiot?
No and no.
Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.Bing for 'functionally illiterate fraud' and Dustin Cook is on the first page: <https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dustin%20Cook%20functionally%20illiterate%20fraud>.
Not only did Snit's question not mention the "desktop", it has _nothing_
to do with UNIX. Mike Easter should stop sniffing glue. You are ten seconds away from being in everyone's kill filter. Socks that Mike Easter can't prove are mine. Why would I, or anyone, create socks to say what we all repeatedly say about Mike Easter?
Mike Easter is the only person I know who had a 'blog' intended to dox
me that quickly turned into broken links with placeholders where maps/multimedia
used to be, and if you clicked it, you would be reading about a peer reviewed
paper that was deleted for malware.
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Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
- not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Jaden Amber <jadenamber66@gmail.com> wrote in news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2-88a1-edc3e881cb09n@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
- not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowlydrifted away after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?when that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use Windows better than most folks my age, but why?Thankfully for Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people who work or have worked there.didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or sparring or whatever.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger issue is about security, staying current withtechnology and wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was
Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real
advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowlydrifted away after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?when that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use Windows better than most folks my age, but why?Thankfully for Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people who work or have worked there.didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or sparring or whatever.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger issue is about security, staying current withtechnology and wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote in news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
- not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.So is George Graves from my research.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
- not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
- not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.
John:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to
be a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy
was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name
Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at
the young age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still
around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the
others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
In article <XnsAE028A2B4...@46.165.242.75>, Phil Dago wrote:
John:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to
be a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy
was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name
Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at
the young age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still
around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the
others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.More or less :)
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
--
Sandman
In article <XnsAE028A2B4...@46.165.242.75>, Phil Dago wrote:
...
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
More or less :)
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
Sandman:
More or less :)
Hopefully more of the more <g>
Going to have to get ourselves back to Scandinavia after all
of this CoVid disruption has passed ... IRRC, you're well north
of Stockholm; is there any good places in your general area
for seasonal viewing of the Northern Lights?
-hh wrote:
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
Sandman:
More or less :)
Hopefully more of the more <g>
Going to have to get ourselves back to Scandinavia after all
of this CoVid disruption has passed ... IRRC, you're well north
of Stockholm; is there any good places in your general area
for seasonal viewing of the Northern Lights?
I live in Vasteras, which is about an hour west of Stockholm.
There were actually northen lights in this area a week ago,
I missed it though. You have to go much further north to be
more sure to see it if the conditions are right.
In fact, something I would suggest is going to Tromso in Norway.
It's way up north but it's so beautiful and special!
On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
- not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was writing for an audio journal.
On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
- not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was writing for an audio journal.
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:17:09 PM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
-hh wrote:
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
Sandman:
More or less :)
Hopefully more of the more <g>
Going to have to get ourselves back to Scandinavia after all
of this CoVid disruption has passed ... IRRC, you're well north
of Stockholm; is there any good places in your general area
for seasonal viewing of the Northern Lights?
I live in Vasteras, which is about an hour west of Stockholm.Ah, I was getting you mixed up with another friend, who was
from Huljen ... that's the "way up north" location.
There were actually northen lights in this area a week ago,Understood, that's what I was thinking of. Time of year is also
I missed it though. You have to go much further north to be
more sure to see it if the conditions are right.
important too, because it needs to be dark, so summer's not
a great time (too few hours of darkness); learned that from a
trip to Iceland a few years ago.
In fact, something I would suggest is going to Tromso in Norway.That's been a main location I've seen recommended before; a local
It's way up north but it's so beautiful and special!
photo club went there a few years ago...will have to see if they plan
to run another trip again soon(ish). Would be nice to combine it
with a trip to Svalbard, but seasons are wrong for doing both at
the same time.
-hh
On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted >>>> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple >>>> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world. >>>>
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored >>>> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be >>>> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs >>>> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we >>>> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. >>>> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and >>>> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a >>>> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or >>>> sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, >>>> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship >>>> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be >>>>> a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was >>>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as >>>>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed >>>>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around >>>>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
In fact, you can see a very old picture of him at his former Toronto employer here https://www.lacquerchannel.com/He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was writing for an audio journal.
Apparently retired now.
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted >>>> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple >>>> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world. >>>>
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored >>>> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be >>>> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs >>>> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we >>>> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. >>>> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and >>>> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a >>>> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or >>>> sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, >>>> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship >>>> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be >>>>> a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was >>>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as >>>>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed >>>>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around >>>>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
In fact, you can see a very old picture of him at his former Toronto employer here https://www.lacquerchannel.com/He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was writing for an audio journal.
Apparently retired now.
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:07:53 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted >>>> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, >>>> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away >>>> after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple >>>> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world. >>>>
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly >>>> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air >>>> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when >>>> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to >>>> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored >>>> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be >>>> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs >>>> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we >>>> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe >>>> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. >>>> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and >>>> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use >>>> Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to >>>> worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a >>>> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people >>>> who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this >>>> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or >>>> sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, >>>> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs >>>> advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship >>>> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now >>>> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better >>>> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be >>>>> a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was >>>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as >>>>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young >>>>> age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed >>>>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around >>>>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a >>>>> Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. >>>>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac >>>>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
In fact, you can see a very old picture of him at his former Toronto employer here https://www.lacquerchannel.com/He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was writing for an audio journal.
Apparently retired now.Kelly Phillips - who caused more headaches applying his 'quick fixes' than what the box started with before he touched it. There's a few choices to choose from in so far as up down. For others I'd say it is dubious. Of course, given that it's Kelly Phillips I would ignore that step and go straight to 'drug-induced delusion' because that's most of what Kelly Phillips
does. No need to find evidence before accusing Kelly Phillips of lying.
That is the problem now and younger teachers don't care, people from pre- tech generations (~40 yo) SHOULD know better than to fall for communism.
Kelly Phillips is the only person I know who had a 'demo site' intended
to attack me that quickly turned into dancing hamsters with blocks where pictures/animations used to be, and if you clicked it, you would be reading about a DMCA that was expunged for copyright infringement. You've proven
only what a moron you are. Shadow clearly has a ton of experience to share and he seems to want to answer questions. Regrettably this is without a
doubt the least appropriate group for doing that because a large part of
what he will get back is insulting, misleading, and other bullshit.
--
This broke the Internet!! https://www.google.com/search?q=Steve+Petruzzellis%3A+narcissistic+bigot Steve 'Narcissistic Bigot' Carroll
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:07:53 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted >>>> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, >>>> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away >>>> after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple >>>> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world. >>>>
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly >>>> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air >>>> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when >>>> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to >>>> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored >>>> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be >>>> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs >>>> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we >>>> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe >>>> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. >>>> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and >>>> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use >>>> Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to >>>> worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a >>>> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people >>>> who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this >>>> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or >>>> sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, >>>> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs >>>> advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship >>>> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now >>>> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better >>>> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be >>>>> a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was >>>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as >>>>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young >>>>> age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed >>>>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around >>>>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a >>>>> Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. >>>>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac >>>>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
In fact, you can see a very old picture of him at his former Toronto employer here https://www.lacquerchannel.com/He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was writing for an audio journal.
Apparently retired now.How is bash on Linux doing anything above the lowest common denominator?
You're like a bowling pin in a needle-stack. We all see you there and tell you as much. And you're so ignorant you keep doing it. Off Jeff 'The Fool' Relf goes to the housing in the teeming garbage dump of my rubbish bin.
I just don't get the point in Jeff 'The Fool' Relf continuing to tell that story, when they know it's is insane. I will no longer bring up the whackiest,
so far, series of tales they've written about me to date; because three impartial posters did as I asked and told Jeff 'The Fool' Relf that they
did, infact, misrepresent me in regards to that topic. Jeff 'The Fool' Relf is the result of the truth that Marxists have been employed to subvert indoctrinating
children. It's not an accident that he is a witless liberal.
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On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 1:21:34 PM UTC-5, John wrote:racing, skiing and Apple-centric sites turned up a few scattered Baker posts, but I may did not spend a lot of time on searching.
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a WindowsYour post led me to see how far I go back. For the Google repository it's August 1997, about 24.5 years ago. Other contributors have posts farther back. Joe Ragosta goes back several more years, but sadly nothing in many years now.
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Alan Baker likely holds the record for most lifetime CSMA posts. A name lookup yields 697,334 posts to CSMA alone. He is a very frequent poster in one other group too, REC.SPORT GOLF (which has little to do with golf) 660,473. A cursory look at some
Maybe Alan would like to step and do a little bragging???
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:racing, skiing and Apple-centric sites turned up a few scattered Baker posts, but I may did not spend a lot of time on searching.
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 1:21:34 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has comeYour post led me to see how far I go back. For the Google repository it's August 1997, about 24.5 years ago. Other contributors have posts farther back. Joe Ragosta goes back several more years, but sadly nothing in many years now.
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure was an embarrasment.
Alan Baker likely holds the record for most lifetime CSMA posts. A name lookup yields 697,334 posts to CSMA alone. He is a very frequent poster in one other group too, REC.SPORT GOLF (which has little to do with golf) 660,473. A cursory look at some
Maybe Alan would like to step and do a little bragging???+++<https://in.memory.of.e.tern.al/comp.sys.mac.apps/thread/3928539>+++
Dustin Cook aka Diesel Brags In UNIX Group About Sucker Punching Others
With Viruses
Dustin Cook aka Diesel aka Raid aka Gremlin aka Casio aka Char Jackson
He and his kind are no different than the ghetto garbage who sucker punch the unexpectant on the streets of America.
He cobbled together shit BASIC crap code which is even laughed at by other virus writing/passing vermin.
Every time his crap code slid under the radar of the AV companies, he claimed
credit for being an outstanding genius coder. What really was responsible for some of his crap to ruin the computers of others was the sheer amount
of viruses in the wild. No AV program could possibly cover them all. It was a mathematical certainty that some viruses would be unaccounted for in AV programs. But incompetent RL LUSERS like Dustin Cook grab any crumb of undeserved
"achievement" that happens to come their way.
Notice how to this day he brags about his viruses? Do you really think someone
this HATEFUL and SPITEFUL of the success of others truly stopped writing/passing
viruses because he "changed"?
+++<http://www.hardwarebanter.com/showthread.php?p=1102356>+++
Dustin Cook aka Gremlin aka Diesel-Dum Threatens Man With A Bullet ToThe Head
This shows that beyond any doubt he is a psychopath.
The only reason he has not killed yet is because he is a coward.
DuckFart farts another DEADLY THREAT: "Where I'm from John, you'd already
be dead. One bullet, right in the back of your head, execution style. No witnesses. Happens all the time in NY. You don't run your mouth here or anywhere
else and not expect payback. I wasn't raised to take **** and not give it back. Don't start no ****, and there wont be no **** is my motto. KM started it, and now I do intend to finish it. I don't care what harm it causes him IRL. The more the merrier."
He tries getting a man fired from his job by complaining to his employer because the guy had the balls to disagree with The MIGHY DUSTY, SUPER TURD OF USENET.
When a friend tries defending the man Duck**** is trying to destroy, Duck****
THREATENS TO KILL HIM.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...g/-WDTbGuUzisJ or https://tinyurl.com/qjvmuec
+++<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/pcWhWxc1/dustin-cook-gremlin- begs-ascii-for-his-real-name-needs-it-for-intelius-site>+++
Dustin The Turd of Usenet Cook asked: "If you think I have no skills, post with your real name. :) "
How f'kn much "SKILL" does it take to go to the Intelius or some other such site and use your credit card and let them do your so- called hacking for you?
Incredible, isn't it? Just THINK of it. This Queen of Assholes, Dusti-Boi Cook, ACTUALLY ASKED a would-be victim for his name!
QUIT GODDAMN LAUGHING! I'm SERIOUS!
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On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:32:00 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:07:53 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted >>>> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a >>>> mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, >>>> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away >>>> after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple >>>> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world. >>>>
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly >>>> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air >>>> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when >>>> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to >>>> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored >>>> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be >>>> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs >>>> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we >>>> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe >>>> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. >>>> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and >>>> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use >>>> Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for >>>> Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to >>>> worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that >>>> they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a >>>> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people >>>> who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this >>>> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or >>>> sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, >>>> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs >>>> advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger >>>> issue is about security, staying current with technology and
wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship >>>> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now >>>> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better >>>> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote: >>>>> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be >>>>> a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was >>>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as >>>>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young >>>>> age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed >>>>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around >>>>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a >>>>> Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. >>>>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac >>>>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left. >>> AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
In fact, you can see a very old picture of him at his former Toronto employer here https://www.lacquerchannel.com/He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was writing for an audio journal.
Apparently retired now.Kelly Phillips - who caused more headaches applying his 'quick fixes' than what the box started with before he touched it. There's a few choices to choose from in so far as up down. For others I'd say it is dubious. Of course, given that it's Kelly Phillips I would ignore that step and go straight to 'drug-induced delusion' because that's most of what Kelly Phillips
does. No need to find evidence before accusing Kelly Phillips of lying.
That is the problem now and younger teachers don't care, people from pre- tech generations (~40 yo) SHOULD know better than to fall for communism.
Kelly Phillips is the only person I know who had a 'demo site' intended
to attack me that quickly turned into dancing hamsters with blocks where pictures/animations used to be, and if you clicked it, you would be reading about a DMCA that was expunged for copyright infringement. You've proven only what a moron you are. Shadow clearly has a ton of experience to share and he seems to want to answer questions. Regrettably this is without a doubt the least appropriate group for doing that because a large part of what he will get back is insulting, misleading, and other bullshit.
--Troll Killer Snit gave back what he gets from Jeff Relf some, big fucking deal. Why be a howling asshole about it?
This broke the Internet!! https://www.google.com/search?q=Steve+Petruzzellis%3A+narcissistic+bigot Steve 'Narcissistic Bigot' Carroll
Proof Jeff Relf accuses everyone of being Snit http://sandman.net/files/snit_circus.png.
I have not confirmed that the number: 1-423-491-1448 will be answered by
Jeff Relf. Lines of text containing tells. Over and over, the surface request is he wants to "talk tech", but the guy spends most of his time whining
about "trolling".
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Dustin Cook is a functionally illiterate fraud
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-7, Stephen Carroll - fretwizer 6305 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:32:00 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:07:53 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:09:11 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote inSo is George Graves from my research.
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a >>>> mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, >>>> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
Who needs advocacy at that point?
But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly >>>> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill >>>> Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air >>>> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when >>>> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to >>>> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe >>>> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for >>>> Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and >>>> early 2000s.
Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that >>>> they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
who work or have worked there.
It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So >>>> precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and >>>> civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this >>>> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged >>>> didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
sparring or whatever.
Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger >>>> issue is about security, staying current with technology and >>>> wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now >>>> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he >>>> passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better >>>> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote: >>>>> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young >>>>> age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting >>>>> character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
- not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others. >>>>>
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a >>>>> Windows
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. >>>>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac >>>>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the >>>>> nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left. >>> AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
In fact, you can see a very old picture of him at his former Toronto employer here https://www.lacquerchannel.com/He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was
writing for an audio journal.
Apparently retired now.Kelly Phillips - who caused more headaches applying his 'quick fixes' than
what the box started with before he touched it. There's a few choices to choose from in so far as up down. For others I'd say it is dubious. Of course, given that it's Kelly Phillips I would ignore that step and go straight to 'drug-induced delusion' because that's most of what Kelly Phillips
does. No need to find evidence before accusing Kelly Phillips of lying.
That is the problem now and younger teachers don't care, people from pre- tech generations (~40 yo) SHOULD know better than to fall for communism.
Kelly Phillips is the only person I know who had a 'demo site' intended to attack me that quickly turned into dancing hamsters with blocks where pictures/animations used to be, and if you clicked it, you would be reading
about a DMCA that was expunged for copyright infringement. You've proven only what a moron you are. Shadow clearly has a ton of experience to share
and he seems to want to answer questions. Regrettably this is without a doubt the least appropriate group for doing that because a large part of what he will get back is insulting, misleading, and other bullshit.
--Troll Killer Snit gave back what he gets from Jeff Relf some, big fucking deal. Why be a howling asshole about it?
This broke the Internet!! https://www.google.com/search?q=Steve+Petruzzellis%3A+narcissistic+bigot Steve 'Narcissistic Bigot' Carroll
Proof Jeff Relf accuses everyone of being Snit http://sandman.net/files/snit_circus.png.
I have not confirmed that the number: 1-423-491-1448 will be answered by Jeff Relf. Lines of text containing tells. Over and over, the surface request
is he wants to "talk tech", but the guy spends most of his time whining about "trolling".
-Chris will be overwhelmed once the waters are overfished. That, and there will forever be a tantrum thrower or two in an open news group. The current tantrum aside, we've all seen who usually lashes out when he does not
What Every Entrepreneur Must Know!! https://www.google.com/maps/place/108+Warrior+Dr,+Kingsport,+TN+37663/ Dustin Cook is a functionally illiterate fraud
get his way. Snit sock Toasty's actions are actually entirely disingenuous. There is zero dispute that as soon as any released 'filtered person'
does whatever to frighten the feeble milksop's feelings that they will
be replonked.
Who *doesn't* know that this kind of crap is Snit sock Toasty's approach,
not the modus operandi of Chris? It is all just nonsense... the trolling,
the sock puppets, the writing of nonsense, the outbursts... the puffy
red eyes and willingness to show how butthurt he is over being banned
from the playground for crapping in it again... Snit sock Toasty can
not help himself ;)
Yup. Sadly this is what we have to stop. People who have no reason for
being here other than to troll.
Right, Snit sock Toasty is looking to produce a WordPress variable,
which anyone can get from torrent sites, that I taught myself. If he
wasn't so stupid he would understand how clueless he looks ;) Snit sock Toasty is a insane maniac who regularly claims anyone who disagrees with Chris to be a sock and, still, he wants us to believe that is true. Gotta
be drugs.
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Dustin Cook the functionally illiterate fraud
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:racing, skiing and Apple-centric sites turned up a few scattered Baker posts, but I may did not spend a lot of time on searching.
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 1:21:34 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has comeYour post led me to see how far I go back. For the Google repository it's August 1997, about 24.5 years ago. Other contributors have posts farther back. Joe Ragosta goes back several more years, but sadly nothing in many years now.
since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac OS sure was an embarrasment.
Alan Baker likely holds the record for most lifetime CSMA posts. A name lookup yields 697,334 posts to CSMA alone. He is a very frequent poster in one other group too, REC.SPORT GOLF (which has little to do with golf) 660,473. A cursory look at some
Maybe Alan would like to step and do a little bragging???+++<https://in.memory.of.e.tern.al/comp.sys.mac.apps/thread/3928539>+++
Dustin Cook aka Diesel Brags In UNIX Group About Sucker Punching Others
With Viruses
Dustin Cook aka Diesel aka Raid aka Gremlin aka Casio aka Char Jackson
He and his kind are no different than the ghetto garbage who sucker punch the unexpectant on the streets of America.
He cobbled together shit BASIC crap code which is even laughed at by other virus writing/passing vermin.
Every time his crap code slid under the radar of the AV companies, he claimed
credit for being an outstanding genius coder. What really was responsible for some of his crap to ruin the computers of others was the sheer amount
of viruses in the wild. No AV program could possibly cover them all. It was a mathematical certainty that some viruses would be unaccounted for in AV programs. But incompetent RL LUSERS like Dustin Cook grab any crumb of undeserved
"achievement" that happens to come their way.
Notice how to this day he brags about his viruses? Do you really think someone
this HATEFUL and SPITEFUL of the success of others truly stopped writing/passing
viruses because he "changed"?
+++<http://www.hardwarebanter.com/showthread.php?p=1102356>+++
Dustin Cook aka Gremlin aka Diesel-Dum Threatens Man With A Bullet ToThe Head
This shows that beyond any doubt he is a psychopath.
The only reason he has not killed yet is because he is a coward.
DuckFart farts another DEADLY THREAT: "Where I'm from John, you'd already
be dead. One bullet, right in the back of your head, execution style. No witnesses. Happens all the time in NY. You don't run your mouth here or anywhere
else and not expect payback. I wasn't raised to take **** and not give it back. Don't start no ****, and there wont be no **** is my motto. KM started it, and now I do intend to finish it. I don't care what harm it causes him IRL. The more the merrier."
He tries getting a man fired from his job by complaining to his employer because the guy had the balls to disagree with The MIGHY DUSTY, SUPER TURD OF USENET.
When a friend tries defending the man Duck**** is trying to destroy, Duck****
THREATENS TO KILL HIM.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...g/-WDTbGuUzisJ or https://tinyurl.com/qjvmuec
+++<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/pcWhWxc1/dustin-cook-gremlin- begs-ascii-for-his-real-name-needs-it-for-intelius-site>+++
Dustin The Turd of Usenet Cook asked: "If you think I have no skills, post with your real name. :) "
How f'kn much "SKILL" does it take to go to the Intelius or some other such site and use your credit card and let them do your so- called hacking for you?
Incredible, isn't it? Just THINK of it. This Queen of Assholes, Dusti-Boi Cook, ACTUALLY ASKED a would-be victim for his name!
QUIT GODDAMN LAUGHING! I'm SERIOUS!
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Steve Petruzzellis the Narcissistic Bigot
On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 12:20:59 AM UTC-7, Michael Glasser wrote:some racing, skiing and Apple-centric sites turned up a few scattered Baker posts, but I may did not spend a lot of time on searching.
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 1:21:34 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac
advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55.
There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a WindowsYour post led me to see how far I go back. For the Google repository it's August 1997, about 24.5 years ago. Other contributors have posts farther back. Joe Ragosta goes back several more years, but sadly nothing in many years now.
XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
OS sure was an embarrasment.
Alan Baker likely holds the record for most lifetime CSMA posts. A name lookup yields 697,334 posts to CSMA alone. He is a very frequent poster in one other group too, REC.SPORT GOLF (which has little to do with golf) 660,473. A cursory look at
Maybe Alan would like to step and do a little bragging???+++<https://in.memory.of.e.tern.al/comp.sys.mac.apps/thread/3928539>+++
Dustin Cook aka Diesel Brags In UNIX Group About Sucker Punching Others With Viruses
Dustin Cook aka Diesel aka Raid aka Gremlin aka Casio aka Char Jackson
He and his kind are no different than the ghetto garbage who sucker punch the unexpectant on the streets of America.
He cobbled together shit BASIC crap code which is even laughed at by other virus writing/passing vermin.
Every time his crap code slid under the radar of the AV companies, he claimed
credit for being an outstanding genius coder. What really was responsible for some of his crap to ruin the computers of others was the sheer amount of viruses in the wild. No AV program could possibly cover them all. It was
a mathematical certainty that some viruses would be unaccounted for in AV programs. But incompetent RL LUSERS like Dustin Cook grab any crumb of undeserved
"achievement" that happens to come their way.
Notice how to this day he brags about his viruses? Do you really think someone
this HATEFUL and SPITEFUL of the success of others truly stopped writing/passing
viruses because he "changed"?
+++<http://www.hardwarebanter.com/showthread.php?p=1102356>+++
Dustin Cook aka Gremlin aka Diesel-Dum Threatens Man With A Bullet ToThe Head
This shows that beyond any doubt he is a psychopath.
The only reason he has not killed yet is because he is a coward.
DuckFart farts another DEADLY THREAT: "Where I'm from John, you'd already be dead. One bullet, right in the back of your head, execution style. No witnesses. Happens all the time in NY. You don't run your mouth here or anywhere
else and not expect payback. I wasn't raised to take **** and not give it back. Don't start no ****, and there wont be no **** is my motto. KM started
it, and now I do intend to finish it. I don't care what harm it causes him IRL. The more the merrier."
He tries getting a man fired from his job by complaining to his employer because the guy had the balls to disagree with The MIGHY DUSTY, SUPER TURD OF USENET.
When a friend tries defending the man Duck**** is trying to destroy, Duck****
THREATENS TO KILL HIM.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...g/-WDTbGuUzisJ or https://tinyurl.com/qjvmuec
+++<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/pcWhWxc1/dustin-cook-gremlin-
begs-ascii-for-his-real-name-needs-it-for-intelius-site>+++
Dustin The Turd of Usenet Cook asked: "If you think I have no skills, post with your real name. :) "
How f'kn much "SKILL" does it take to go to the Intelius or some other such
site and use your credit card and let them do your so- called hacking for you?
Incredible, isn't it? Just THINK of it. This Queen of Assholes, Dusti-Boi Cook, ACTUALLY ASKED a would-be victim for his name!
QUIT GODDAMN LAUGHING! I'm SERIOUS!
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CXns9F978596DE5FDHHI2948AJD832%40no%3E
--Glasser Michael Snit claims:
One Smart Penny https://www.bing.com/search?q=steve%20carroll%20narcissistic%20bigot https://swisscows.com/web?query=%22narcissistic%20bigot%22
Steve Petruzzellis the Narcissistic Bigot
* You have two degrees, both in CS and you did not know IT was different.
* You have two degrees, both in IT.
* You have two degrees, one in IT and one in CS.
* You blame me for you confusing IT with IS though you offer no evidence.
* Your project your confusion and dishonesty onto me.
All trivial to show:
Glasser Michael Snit <XnsAB593F...@MjEwUG.BDMbgpk>:
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Well, I have two Masters myself, but they are in CS I
wasn't aware CS and I.T were/are seperate entities now.
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Glasser Michael Snit <XnsAC703A...@tkRp4lHo04W6T4lOY83W.tuvxq31.7>:
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Unlike yourself snit, I hold two honorary masters in IT
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Glasser Michael Snit <XnsAC703A...@tkRp4lHo04W6T4lOY83W.tuvxq31.7>:
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We discussed at length previously his masters in IS, and
mine in IT and the differences between them. He was quite
adamant that he had a masters in IS, *not* IT as is mine.
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Glasser Michael Snit <XnsAC75C8...@dcFn0WjC2iFiA86fj2h.35Y>:
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One is in CS, the other is in IT.
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Glasser Michael Snit <XnsAC703A...@tkRp4lHo04W6T4lOY83W.tuvxq31.7>:
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I'd also like to know how Snit could be so confused
concerning which degree he has.
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Other than you being a functionally illiterate fraud, how do you explain
any of that?
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