What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
In article <tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
why wait for a virus to do that?
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus
scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses for free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
Am 26.07.22 um 23:41 schrieb David Brooks:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus
scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses for
free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
I hardened my Mac in a way that I never have to care about malware or
paid content on macworld.
In article <yahEK.968862$i8Z9.142466@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
(For MY part, on one of my Macs, I have installed Linux Mint! That has
'hardened it against Mac malware!)
and opened it up to linux malware.
https://www.macworld.com/article/670537/do-macs-need-antivirus.html
(For MY part, on one of my Macs, I have installed Linux Mint! That has 'hardened it against Mac malware!)
Am 27.07.22 um 22:34 schrieb nospam:
In article <yahEK.968862$i8Z9.142466@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks
<nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
(For MY part, on one of my Macs, I have installed Linux Mint! That has
'hardened it against Mac malware!)
and opened it up to linux malware.
The superstupid Trolls can even achieve this ...
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus
scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses
for free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
HTH
On 28/07/2022 08:10, Your Name responded with his/her thoughts!
On 2022-07-26 21:41:35 +0000, David Brooks showed folk a magazine article >>>
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:- https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus
scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses
for free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
HTH
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus: Think again!
It's most likely not malware, but some other software or hardware issue
causing a problem.
With Apple computers, I completely agree. :-)
On 2022-07-26 21:41:35 +0000, David Brooks showed folk a magazine article
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:- https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus
scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses
for free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
HTH
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus: Think again!
It's most likely not malware, but some other software or hardware issue causing a problem.
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers to
sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost nothing
is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely rare times
when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly stupid
(visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For any
normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware is virtually zero.
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For
any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
Am 28.07.22 um 10:32 schrieb David Brooks:
On 28/07/2022 08:10, Your Name responded with his/her thoughts!
On 2022-07-26 21:41:35 +0000, David Brooks showed folk a magazine article >>>>
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:- https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus >>>> scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses
for free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
HTH
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus: Think again!
It's most likely not malware, but some other software or hardware issue
causing a problem.
With Apple computers, I completely agree. :-)
The same is true for Linux and in most of the cases for Windows.
Do you believe you are more secure because you installed Mint on one of
your Macs?
In article <tbtcpe$4kk$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For
any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
very much false.
In article <tbtcpe$4kk$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For
any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
very much false.
Am 28.07.22 um 11:00 schrieb nospam:
In article <tbtcpe$4kk$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For
any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
very much false.
It depends.
Why isn't ClamXAV a contender?
https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/mac-security-test-review-2022/
In article <gJtEK.800990$70_9.778681@fx10.ams1>, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
Why isn't ClamXAV a contender?
https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/mac-security-test-review-2022/
because they didn't pay to be included. it's basically advertising and
not unique to antivirus.
In article <dTwEK.509226$B0_9.29275@fx13.ams1>, David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
I did once question them on Facebook. They are (I think) Israeli secret
service folk!
they're too busy working on space lasers.
On 28/07/2022 10:00, nospam wrote:
In article <tbtcpe$4kk$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For
any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
very much false.
Why isn't ClamXAV a contender?
https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/mac-security-test-review-2022/
Do YOU agree that ClamXAV is 'snake oil'?
Am 28.07.22 um 12:41 schrieb David Brooks:
On 28/07/2022 10:00, nospam wrote:
In article <tbtcpe$4kk$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For >>>> any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
very much false.
Why isn't ClamXAV a contender?
https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/mac-security-test-review-2022/
Do YOU agree that ClamXAV is 'snake oil'?
They did not pay for inclusion in these "$tests$".
They are not better than the rest, performance wise probably less.
I did once question them on Facebook. They are (I think) Israeli secret service folk!
On 28/07/2022 15:39, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
They did not pay for inclusion in these "$tests$".
They are not better than the rest, performance wise probably less.
I accept what you say.
You've not been 'here' very long. You may have missed this thread:-
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/all/ramnit-trojan-on-imac-aol-disk-from-2008-false/e18cc0a4-5895-412e-9306-e565d2571849
On 28/07/2022 18:17, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 28.07.22 um 16:46 schrieb David Brooks:
On 28/07/2022 15:39, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
They did not pay for inclusion in these "$tests$".
They are not better than the rest, performance wise probably less.
I accept what you say.
You've not been 'here' very long. You may have missed this thread:-
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/all/ramnit-trojan-on-imac-aol-disk-from-2008-false/e18cc0a4-5895-412e-9306-e565d2571849
And this tool arrived on the Mac by osmosis? And how relevant are such
very old stories for the discussion here?
By "tool" do you mean ClamXAV?
Am 28.07.22 um 16:46 schrieb David Brooks:
On 28/07/2022 15:39, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
They did not pay for inclusion in these "$tests$".
They are not better than the rest, performance wise probably less.
I accept what you say.
You've not been 'here' very long. You may have missed this thread:-
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/all/ramnit-trojan-on-imac-aol-disk-from-2008-false/e18cc0a4-5895-412e-9306-e565d2571849
And this tool arrived on the Mac by osmosis? And how relevant are such
very old stories for the discussion here?
On 28/07/2022 10:27, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 28.07.22 um 11:00 schrieb nospam:
In article <tbtcpe$4kk$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For >>>> any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
very much false.
It depends.
On what?
On 28/07/2022 08:10, Your Name responded with his/her thoughts!
On 2022-07-26 21:41:35 +0000, David Brooks showed folk a magazine article >>>
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus
scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses
for free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
HTH
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus: Think again!
It's most likely not malware, but some other software or hardware issue
causing a problem.
With Apple computers, I completely agree. :-)
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For
any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
Virtually, yes, but one still needs to be careful.
The Internet is like the wild, wild, west - of 'Cowboys and Indians' times!
On 2022-07-28 08:32:54 +0000, David Brooks said:
On 28/07/2022 08:10, Your Name responded with his/her thoughts!
On 2022-07-26 21:41:35 +0000, David Brooks showed folk a magazine article >>>>
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus >>>> scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses
for free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
HTH
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus: Think again!
It's most likely not malware, but some other software or hardware issue
causing a problem.
With Apple computers, I completely agree. :-)
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For
any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
Virtually, yes, but one still needs to be careful.
The Internet is like the wild, wild, west - of 'Cowboys and Indians' times!
As above, only if you do stupid things, in which case it's your own
fault. None of the supposed malware has ever been found on Macs of
normal average users.
On 28 Jul 2022 at 21:45:09 BST, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2022-07-28 08:32:54 +0000, David Brooks said:
On 28/07/2022 08:10, Your Name responded with his/her thoughts!As above, only if you do stupid things, in which case it's your own
On 2022-07-26 21:41:35 +0000, David Brooks showed folk a magazine article >>>>>
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
Mac malware is rare, but it does exist. Here's how to get a free virus >>>>> scan to check for malware on your Mac, how to get rid of Mac viruses >>>>> for free, and how to avoid getting infected in the first place.
https://www.macworld.com/article/671430/how-remove-virus-mac.html
HTH
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus: Think again!
It's most likely not malware, but some other software or hardware issue >>>> causing a problem.
With Apple computers, I completely agree. :-)
All the malware reported on the Mac is done so by anti-malware makers
to sell their product, most of it nothing but theoretical. Almost
nothing is ever actually found in real life, and even the extremely
rare times when it is it's due to the user doing something incredibly
stupid (visiting porn websites, installing pirate software, etc.). For >>>> any normal user, the chances of their Mac getting infected by malware
is virtually zero.
Virtually, yes, but one still needs to be careful.
The Internet is like the wild, wild, west - of 'Cowboys and Indians' times! >>
fault. None of the supposed malware has ever been found on Macs of
normal average users.
Why are any of you responding to this well-known troll?
As above, only if you do stupid things, in which case it's your own
fault. None of the supposed malware has ever been found on Macs of
normal average users.
In article <tbusgl$1i23$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
As above, only if you do stupid things, in which case it's your own
fault. None of the supposed malware has ever been found on Macs of
normal average users.
that's false.
one example was many years ago, when an ios developer site was
compromised, and even people *within* *apple* were affected.
As above, only if you do stupid things, in which case it's your own
fault. None of the supposed malware has ever been found on Macs of
normal average users.
that's false.
one example was many years ago, when an ios developer site was
compromised, and even people *within* *apple* were affected.
That is a completely different ball game.
In article <tbvqgs$tb6u$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
As above, only if you do stupid things, in which case it's your own
fault. None of the supposed malware has ever been found on Macs of
normal average users.
that's false.
one example was many years ago, when an ios developer site was
compromised, and even people *within* *apple* were affected.
That is a completely different ball game.
nope. it's proof that it can happen to anyone.
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul 2022 23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul 2022
23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul 2022
23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
As far as I've ever found using Apple computers since the days of the
Apple II, *ALL* reports of Mac malware are highly exaggerated and theoretical. The reports are always posted by the anti-malware app
makers to fool the unwary into buying their crap software or by
know-nothing trolls ... either way it's simply idiotic scaremongering.
Never once in all these years have I ever personally seen nor heard of
anyone in the real world who actually has malware on their Mac ... and
I have to help some real numbnut novices who will happily click on any
link and type in their admin password without a second thought.
On 2024-01-01 00:55:12 +0000, David B.asked ....
Replying to a 18 month old message, wrote:
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
As far as I've ever found using Apple computers since the days of the
Apple II, *ALL* reports of Mac malware are highly exaggerated and theoretical. The reports are always posted by the anti-malware app
makers to fool the unwary into buying their crap software or by
know-nothing trolls ... either way it's simply idiotic scaremongering.
Never once in all these years have I ever personally seen nor heard of
anyone in the real world who actually has malware on their Mac ... and
I have to help some real numbnut novices who will happily click on any
link and type in their admin password without a second thought.
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvegrgFi7idU1@mid.individual.net Mon, 01 Jan 2024 00:55:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul 2022 >>> 23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
Why have you responded to a post from August 2022, David? It's nearly 2024 now. In some places, it is 2024 now. David, my boy, you don't get things both ways. You specifically stated that you do not trust me. As a result, I would simply be wasting my personal free time answering any technical question you ask of me. I've helped you out asking for nothing in return, more than I should have already - I do not wish to continue doing that.
Do NOT believe what you read here:- www.clamxav.com
Their website was made by a company called 'daysix'.
As you can see here:-
https://i.ibb.co/PwNBBTp/Screenshot-2023-10-17-at-19-34-10.png
(Bottom left) the website was actually constucted by 'daysix' - www.daysix.co
(note the domain)
This company is also located in Edinburgh, not far from Mark Allan. They also >use Apple computers!
https://i.ibb.co/m8fLbF4/Screenshot-2023-12-20-at-08-42-06.png
I wrote to 'daysix' politely to ask them if they use the ClamXAV anti-malware >software on their computers, but they did not respond.
It would be most helpful if someone else were to ask them their views!
On 2024-01-01 00:55:12 +0000, David B. said:
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul 2022 >>> 23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
Replying to a 18 month old message, wrote:
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
As far as I've ever found using Apple computers since the days of the
Apple II, *ALL* reports of Mac malware are highly exaggerated and theoretical. The reports are always posted by the anti-malware app
makers to fool the unwary into buying their crap software or by
know-nothing trolls ... either way it's simply idiotic scaremongering.
Never once in all these years have I ever personally seen nor heard of
anyone in the real world who actually has malware on their Mac ... and
I have to help some real numbnut novices who will happily click on any
link and type in their admin password without a second thought.
On 1 Jan 2024 at 05:31:23 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvegrgFi7idU1@mid.individual.net
Mon, 01 Jan 2024 00:55:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul
2022 23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
Why have you responded to a post from August 2022, David? It's nearly
2024 now. In some places, it is 2024 now. David, my boy, you don't get
things both ways. You specifically stated that you do not trust me. As
a result, I would simply be wasting my personal free time answering any
technical question you ask of me. I've helped you out asking for
nothing in return, more than I should have already - I do not wish to
continue doing that.
I don't expect you to know the answers to my Apple questions, Dustin.
I am fully aware that if I load ClamXAV onto my Apple iMac then there
will be constant communication between my computer and the ClamXAV
server.
In effect, I will have provided that very 'back door' which
every malicious hacker is seeking.
I will have no idea at all what mischief may be being carried out behind
the scenes, as it were.
No every-day computer user will have any clue about any surrupticious activity. Indeed, who would ever bother to check?!!
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvfi6lFnq9eU1@mid.individual.net
Mon, 01 Jan 2024 10:24:21 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 1 Jan 2024 at 05:31:23 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvegrgFi7idU1@mid.individual.net
Mon, 01 Jan 2024 00:55:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul >>>>> 2022 23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
Why have you responded to a post from August 2022, David? It's nearly
2024 now. In some places, it is 2024 now. David, my boy, you don't get
things both ways. You specifically stated that you do not trust me. As
a result, I would simply be wasting my personal free time answering any
technical question you ask of me. I've helped you out asking for
nothing in return, more than I should have already - I do not wish to
continue doing that.
I don't expect you to know the answers to my Apple questions, Dustin.
Which is why you specifically asked me, right, David? Go ahead, try your nonsensical bullshit with a newbie. Perhaps snit would fall for it?
I am fully aware that if I load ClamXAV onto my Apple iMac then there
will be constant communication between my computer and the ClamXAV
server.
You are laughingly, misinformed.
In effect, I will have provided that very 'back door' which
every malicious hacker is seeking.
Tell us that you have no idea what the fuck you're writing about, without actually telling us. :)
I will have no idea at all what mischief may be being carried out behind
the scenes, as it were.
It's expected that you wouldn't have a clue. That's a given. But, the
product has been peer reviewed and taken to pieces by the competition on
more than one occasion; it's something that's routine and quite common in that scene. Vx did it to AV and AV did it to other Av and VX alike.
So again, you are writing completely from your asshole, David.
If there was anything nefarious, it would have been tagged a long time ago
by people like myself, who actually do have the expertise to be able to determine that.
Some people said the same complete bullshit about my BugHunter program; at
no time did any of the naysayers comments ever prove to have held water at any point in time during the programs entire lifetime. Despite efforts by lamers like you to besmirch it, it never contained a single line of
malicious code; never trashed so much as one fucking system.
No every-day computer user will have any clue about any surrupticious
activity. Indeed, who would ever bother to check?!!
David, the solution is quite simple. Just don't use the product. You're the only person I've ever heard of who takes such a paranoid viewpoint about it, and for the longest time couldn't understand what a false positive was. You wanted to argue about that too and refused to listen to reason. This is no different. The program is fine, you're the issue.
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
Joerg Lorenz was thinking very hard :
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
==============================================
What online threats can affect Macs?
The kinds of malware that threaten Mac computers are similar to those
which affect Windows machines. They include:
Viruses
A virus is a malicious software program loaded onto a user's computer
without the user's knowledge that performs malicious actions. It can self-replicate, inserting itself into other programs or files,
infecting them in the process. On macOS, viruses could be hidden in
Word document files. These threats can be enacted when you enable
macros.
Ransomware
This involves hackers taking over personal or potentially valuable
files and demanding payment in exchange for the files’ decryption or release.
Adware
This malware takes over your computer, bombarding it with numerous ads
and pop-ups that can harm your device, track you, and slow down
performance.
Trojans
Trojan horses are a type of malware that trick you into downloading and installing them by posing as something else. As a Mac owner, you might
become the target of a phishing scam trying to convince you to install
fake MacDefender, MacProtector, or MacSecurity software.
Rootkits
A rootkit is a type of malware designed to hide malicious activity on a target device. For example, it can hide processes from monitoring tools
by intercepting system calls, so that the user remains unaware of those processes.
Spyware
Spyware is a computer program that hackers can use to spy on you and
secretly follow your online activities. It works quietly in the
background and shares the monitored data with the virus’ creators.
Cryptomining malware
Cryptomining malware refers to a type of malware that uses your Mac's computing power to mine cryptocurrencies for the attacker. This process
is sometimes also known as cryptojacking. Some cryptominers will also
dig into your browsers’ cookies to try to steal the contents of your
crypto wallets if you have any.
Phishing
Phishing is a form of social engineering which involves cybercriminals impersonating a known entity or close connection to trick you into
revealing sensitive personal information that can be used for identity
fraud or financial theft.
PUPs
Potentially Unwanted Programs (PUPs) usually come bundled with other
software you download. Free browser add-ons or plug-ins can enable
browsers to play videos, music, or games using Java. Not all plug-ins
and add-ons are safe, and some may contain harmful malware or viruses.
The consequences of installing rogue plug-ins or add-ons can include
identity theft, data loss, and financial loss. ================================================= https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
Right. That's why he needs to think different.
But it's not just that he is incapable of that,
he also lacks a sense of humour, and on top of that
he is so ignorant of Apple history
that he does not recognse a direct quote,
On 06.01.24 12:26, David B. wrote:
On 6 Jan 2024 at 09:38:11 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
Right. That's why he needs to think different.
But it's not just that he is incapable of that,
he also lacks a sense of humour, and on top of that
he is so ignorant of Apple history
that he does not recognse a direct quote,
Then help educate me, Jan!
And pay attention to what FromTheRafters is telling folk here!!!
Who?
On 6 Jan 2024 at 09:38:11 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
Right. That's why he needs to think different.
But it's not just that he is incapable of that,
he also lacks a sense of humour, and on top of that
he is so ignorant of Apple history
that he does not recognse a direct quote,
Then help educate me, Jan!
And pay attention to what FromTheRafters is telling folk here!!!
<unb9q2$iij5$1@dont-email.me>
On 6 Jan 2024 at 15:28:45 GMT, "David B." <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
<unb9q2$iij5$1@dont-email.me>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170455500600
HTH
Am 06.01.24 um 16:30 schrieb David B.:
On 6 Jan 2024 at 15:28:45 GMT, "David B." <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
<unb9q2$iij5$1@dont-email.me>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170455500600
HTH
You did not get the message, David.
David B. pretended :
On 6 Jan 2024 at 10:24:59 GMT, "FromTheRafters" <FTR@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:
Joerg Lorenz was thinking very hard :
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
==============================================
What online threats can affect Macs?
The kinds of malware that threaten Mac computers are similar to those
which affect Windows machines. They include:
Viruses
A virus is a malicious software program loaded onto a user's computer
without the user's knowledge that performs malicious actions. It can
self-replicate, inserting itself into other programs or files,
infecting them in the process. On macOS, viruses could be hidden in
Word document files. These threats can be enacted when you enable
macros.
Ransomware
This involves hackers taking over personal or potentially valuable
files and demanding payment in exchange for the files’ decryption or
release.
Adware
This malware takes over your computer, bombarding it with numerous ads
and pop-ups that can harm your device, track you, and slow down
performance.
Trojans
Trojan horses are a type of malware that trick you into downloading and
installing them by posing as something else. As a Mac owner, you might
become the target of a phishing scam trying to convince you to install
fake MacDefender, MacProtector, or MacSecurity software.
Rootkits
A rootkit is a type of malware designed to hide malicious activity on a
target device. For example, it can hide processes from monitoring tools
by intercepting system calls, so that the user remains unaware of those
processes.
Spyware
Spyware is a computer program that hackers can use to spy on you and
secretly follow your online activities. It works quietly in the
background and shares the monitored data with the virus’ creators.
Cryptomining malware
Cryptomining malware refers to a type of malware that uses your Mac's
computing power to mine cryptocurrencies for the attacker. This process
is sometimes also known as cryptojacking. Some cryptominers will also
dig into your browsers’ cookies to try to steal the contents of your
crypto wallets if you have any.
Phishing
Phishing is a form of social engineering which involves cybercriminals
impersonating a known entity or close connection to trick you into
revealing sensitive personal information that can be used for identity
fraud or financial theft.
PUPs
Potentially Unwanted Programs (PUPs) usually come bundled with other
software you download. Free browser add-ons or plug-ins can enable
browsers to play videos, music, or games using Java. Not all plug-ins
and add-ons are safe, and some may contain harmful malware or viruses.
The consequences of installing rogue plug-ins or add-ons can include
identity theft, data loss, and financial loss.
=================================================
https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
David has told you all this! ;-)
Do you BELIEVE it now?
I have never said otherwise, and I resent your implying that I have.
Joerg Lorenz was thinking very hard :
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
==============================================
What online threats can affect Macs?
The kinds of malware that threaten Mac computers are similar to those
which affect Windows machines.
They include:
Viruses
A virus is a malicious software program loaded onto a user's computer
without the user's knowledge that performs malicious actions. It can self-replicate, inserting itself into other programs or files,
infecting them in the process. On macOS, viruses could be hidden in
Word document files. These threats can be enacted when you enable
macros.
Ransomware
This involves hackers taking over personal or potentially valuable
files and demanding payment in exchange for the files’ decryption or release.
Adware
This malware takes over your computer, bombarding it with numerous ads
and pop-ups that can harm your device, track you, and slow down
performance.
Trojans
Trojan horses are a type of malware that trick you into downloading and installing them by posing as something else. As a Mac owner, you might
become the target of a phishing scam trying to convince you to install
fake MacDefender, MacProtector, or MacSecurity software.
Rootkits
A rootkit is a type of malware designed to hide malicious activity on a target device. For example, it can hide processes from monitoring tools
by intercepting system calls, so that the user remains unaware of those processes.
Spyware
Spyware is a computer program that hackers can use to spy on you and
secretly follow your online activities. It works quietly in the
background and shares the monitored data with the virus’ creators.
Cryptomining malware
Cryptomining malware refers to a type of malware that uses your Mac's computing power to mine cryptocurrencies for the attacker. This process
is sometimes also known as cryptojacking. Some cryptominers will also
dig into your browsers’ cookies to try to steal the contents of your
crypto wallets if you have any.
Phishing
Phishing is a form of social engineering which involves cybercriminals impersonating a known entity or close connection to trick you into
revealing sensitive personal information that can be used for identity
fraud or financial theft.
PUPs
Potentially Unwanted Programs (PUPs) usually come bundled with other
software you download. Free browser add-ons or plug-ins can enable
browsers to play videos, music, or games using Java. Not all plug-ins
and add-ons are safe, and some may contain harmful malware or viruses.
The consequences of installing rogue plug-ins or add-ons can include
identity theft, data loss, and financial loss.
================================================= https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
On 6 Jan 2024 at 17:34:04 GMT, "Jörg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Am 06.01.24 um 16:30 schrieb David B.:
On 6 Jan 2024 at 15:28:45 GMT, "David B." <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
<unb9q2$iij5$1@dont-email.me>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170455500600
HTH
You did not get the message, David.
Sorry. Please send it again.
David B. expressed precisely :
<font color="#008f00">[....]</font>
Do you BELIEVE it now?
I have never said otherwise, and I resent your implying that I have.
Perhaps things would be better if you actually answered my questions.
If you REALLY believed in Mac Malware you'd be paying for protective
software.
That is a false premise. The unit has little exposure and adequate
integrated protection for my purposes.
You've told me that you don't use such a thing. Why IS that,
Rafters?
I'm not adding any software to it.
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
On 2024-01-06 10:24:59 +0000, FromTheRafters said:
Joerg Lorenz was thinking very hard :
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
==============================================
What online threats can affect Macs?
The kinds of malware that threaten Mac computers are similar to those which >>> affect Windows machines.
Theoretically, yes.
Of course. I'm talking theory. A Mac is just another GP computer and as
such can be affected by malware. Are there any, or many, or enough ITW examples to be worried about is not the question. The above blanket
statement "Macs don't have viruses" is just wrong. There is a list of
viruses for Macs, to have a list you must have viruses. That being
said, some are indeed zoo or POC viruses but not all.
In reality, no, for most of these.
Not many ITW but also not impossible.
They include:
Viruses
A virus is a malicious software program loaded onto a user's computer
without the user's knowledge that performs malicious actions. It can
self-replicate, inserting itself into other programs or files, infecting >>> them in the process. On macOS, viruses could be hidden in Word document
files. These threats can be enacted when you enable macros.
Non-existant in the real world, unless
This type of phrase often precedes bullshit.
you do something idiotic like download
pirated stuff and visit porn websites. For the "normal" user, these are not a
problem and reporting of them is basically theoretical scaremongering by the >> anti-malware app sellers..
Yep.
RansomwareAs above: Non-existant in the real world.
This involves hackers taking over personal or potentially valuable files >>> and demanding payment in exchange for the files’ decryption or release. >>
Adware
This malware takes over your computer, bombarding it with numerous ads and >>> pop-ups that can harm your device, track you, and slow down performance.
Adware is not malware - it is annoying, but doesn't do any actual damage. The
exception would be adware that is also a virus.
It is malware. Spyware is sometimes not malware, but adware always
steals.
Trojans
Trojan horses are a type of malware that trick you into downloading and
installing them by posing as something else. As a Mac owner, you might
become the target of a phishing scam trying to convince you to install fake >>> MacDefender, MacProtector, or MacSecurity software.
As above: Non-existant in the real world.
Rootkits
A rootkit is a type of malware designed to hide malicious activity on a
target device. For example, it can hide processes from monitoring tools by >>> intercepting system calls, so that the user remains unaware of those
processes.
As above: Non-existant in the real world.
Spyware
Spyware is a computer program that hackers can use to spy on you and
secretly follow your online activities. It works quietly in the background >>> and shares the monitored data with the virus’ creators.
As above: Non-existant in the real world.
The exception would be crap from places like Google that follow you around >> the internet.
Cryptomining malware
Cryptomining malware refers to a type of malware that uses your Mac's
computing power to mine cryptocurrencies for the attacker. This process is >>> sometimes also known as cryptojacking. Some cryptominers will also dig into >>> your browsers’ cookies to try to steal the contents of your crypto wallets
if you have any.
As above: Non-existant in the real world.
Phishing
Phishing is a form of social engineering which involves cybercriminals
impersonating a known entity or close connection to trick you into
revealing sensitive personal information that can be used for identity
fraud or financial theft.
Yes. Phishing emails, etc. do exists, but they aren't Mac specific. They're >> alos targetted at the dumb and the naive. Most mainstream email providers
already weed out the vast majority of this rubbish and spam emails.
PUPs
Potentially Unwanted Programs (PUPs) usually come bundled with other
software you download. Free browser add-ons or plug-ins can enable browsers >>> to play videos, music, or games using Java. Not all plug-ins and add-ons >>> are safe, and some may contain harmful malware or viruses. The consequences >>> of installing rogue plug-ins or add-ons can include identity theft, data >>> loss, and financial loss.
"Unwanted Programs" aren't malware, neither are they the same as "free
browser add-ons and plug-ins". They simply not wanted programs included in >> the installer or the operating system. Most can simply be removed, the rest >> can be ignored.
The ones that are "malware or viruses" already fit into the above categories:
Non-existant in the real world
=================================================
https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
Oh, what a non-surpise. It's from Kaspersky ... one of those very
scaremongering anti-malware app seller I told you about above. :-\
Sure, they do like to sell their products.
On 2024-01-06, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
[....]
=================================================
https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
Oh, what a non-surpise. It's from Kaspersky ... one of those very
scaremongering anti-malware app seller I told you about above. :-\
Sure, they do like to sell their products.
Look here:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49>
P.S. DB you are gonna LOVE this site :)
On 6 Jan 2024 at 09:38:11 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
Right. That's why he needs to think different.
But it's not just that he is incapable of that,
he also lacks a sense of humour, and on top of that
he is so ignorant of Apple history
that he does not recognse a direct quote,
Then help educate me, Jan!
On 7 Jan 2024 at 00:40:59 GMT, "pothead" <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-06, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
[....]
=================================================
https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
Oh, what a non-surpise. It's from Kaspersky ... one of those very
scaremongering anti-malware app seller I told you about above. :-\
Sure, they do like to sell their products.
Look here:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49>
P.S. DB you are gonna LOVE this site :)
You are correct! Thank you for this Pothead! :-)
Have you ever reviewed the website of Mark Allan? Do YOU belive the claims he makes here? www.clamxav.com
I have bought and paid for the software TWICE in the last year - but their support service refuses to 'talk' to me. I have consequently reclaimed my purchase price and I was successful on each occasion. What THAT tells me is that 'SOMETHING ain't right'!
My computer hard drive was erased after each ClamXAV installation to ensure that nothing malicious remains on my machine. It doesn't take long!
On 2024-01-07, David B <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Jan 2024 at 00:40:59 GMT, "pothead" <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-06, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
[....]
=================================================
https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
Oh, what a non-surpise. It's from Kaspersky ... one of those very
scaremongering anti-malware app seller I told you about above. :-\
Sure, they do like to sell their products.
Look here:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49> >>>
P.S. DB you are gonna LOVE this site :)
You are correct! Thank you for this Pothead! :-)
Have you ever reviewed the website of Mark Allan? Do YOU belive the claims he
makes here? www.clamxav.com
I have bought and paid for the software TWICE in the last year - but their >> support service refuses to 'talk' to me. I have consequently reclaimed my
purchase price and I was successful on each occasion. What THAT tells me is >> that 'SOMETHING ain't right'!
My computer hard drive was erased after each ClamXAV installation to ensure >> that nothing malicious remains on my machine. It doesn't take long!
TBH I have no interest in clamxav
and if I was planning on purchasing it I would look for reviews
from current users and base my decision upon that.
On 7 Jan 2024 at 17:44:18 GMT, "pothead" <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-07, David B <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Jan 2024 at 00:40:59 GMT, "pothead" <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-06, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
[....]Sure, they do like to sell their products.
=================================================
https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
Oh, what a non-surpise. It's from Kaspersky ... one of those very
scaremongering anti-malware app seller I told you about above. :-\ >>>>>
Look here:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49> >>>>
P.S. DB you are gonna LOVE this site :)
You are correct! Thank you for this Pothead! :-)
Have you ever reviewed the website of Mark Allan? Do YOU belive the claims he
makes here? www.clamxav.com
I have bought and paid for the software TWICE in the last year - but their >>> support service refuses to 'talk' to me. I have consequently reclaimed my >>> purchase price and I was successful on each occasion. What THAT tells me is >>> that 'SOMETHING ain't right'!
My computer hard drive was erased after each ClamXAV installation to ensure >>> that nothing malicious remains on my machine. It doesn't take long!
TBH I have no interest in clamxav
That's 'cause you don't use an Apple computer I expect!
I suppose people like free stuff.and if I was planning on purchasing it I would look for reviews
from current users and base my decision upon that.
That is EXACTLY what I did! The original ClamXAV phpbb had thousands of members/users but once it went commercial it gained just a few hundred 'likes'
on Facebook.
Snit was thinking very hard :
On Jan 6, 2024 at 6:06:48 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<unctff$qbao$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit laid this down on his screen :
On Jan 6, 2024 at 3:42:10 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uncl0a$pajv$1@dont-email.me>:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
On 2024-01-06 10:24:59 +0000, FromTheRafters said:
Joerg Lorenz was thinking very hard :
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
==============================================
What online threats can affect Macs?
The kinds of malware that threaten Mac computers are similar to those >>>>>>> which affect Windows machines.
Theoretically, yes.
Of course. I'm talking theory. A Mac is just another GP computer and as >>>>> such can be affected by malware. Are there any, or many, or enough ITW >>>>> examples to be worried about is not the question. The above blanket
statement "Macs don't have viruses" is just wrong.
For the average user, and if you are restricted to malware the user
does not go out of their way to install, it is fairly true. But that
restriction is a huge one.
Sure, large companies like Apple are always looking for programmers to
code up some useless AM software mostly to take up clock cycles and to
prevent things that it is fairly true don't exist from getting on the
machine.
As you note, macOS comes with anti-malware software. WITH macOS, and
with that software that is included, you are very unlikely to get any
malware with
normal usage.
But that doesn't equate to the blanket statement that "Macs don't have viruses".
Now start downloading pirated software and the like and all bets are
off. Also not saying there is no value to sometimes using third party
checkers... esp. if you download a lot of software from sources outside
the Apple Store.
Yes, sort of a belt and suspender approach.
On 2024-01-07, David B <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Jan 2024 at 17:44:18 GMT, "pothead" <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-07, David B <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Jan 2024 at 00:40:59 GMT, "pothead" <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote: >>>>
On 2024-01-06, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
[....]Sure, they do like to sell their products.
=================================================
https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/preemptive-safety/can-macbooks-get-viruses
Oh, what a non-surpise. It's from Kaspersky ... one of those very >>>>>>> scaremongering anti-malware app seller I told you about above. :-\ >>>>>>
Look here:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49> >>>>>
P.S. DB you are gonna LOVE this site :)
You are correct! Thank you for this Pothead! :-)
Have you ever reviewed the website of Mark Allan? Do YOU belive the claims he
makes here? www.clamxav.com
I have bought and paid for the software TWICE in the last year - but their >>>> support service refuses to 'talk' to me. I have consequently reclaimed my >>>> purchase price and I was successful on each occasion. What THAT tells me is
that 'SOMETHING ain't right'!
My computer hard drive was erased after each ClamXAV installation to ensure
that nothing malicious remains on my machine. It doesn't take long!
TBH I have no interest in clamxav
That's 'cause you don't use an Apple computer I expect!
Correct although ClamAV is available for Linux.
and if I was planning on purchasing it I would look for reviews
from current users and base my decision upon that.
That is EXACTLY what I did! The original ClamXAV phpbb had thousands of
members/users but once it went commercial it gained just a few hundred 'likes'
on Facebook.
I suppose people like free stuff.
On 2024-01-07 10:12:55 +0000, FromTheRafters said:
Snit was thinking very hard :
On Jan 6, 2024 at 6:06:48 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<unctff$qbao$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit laid this down on his screen :
On Jan 6, 2024 at 3:42:10 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uncl0a$pajv$1@dont-email.me>:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
On 2024-01-06 10:24:59 +0000, FromTheRafters said:
Joerg Lorenz was thinking very hard :
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
==============================================
What online threats can affect Macs?
The kinds of malware that threaten Mac computers are similar to those >>>>>>>> which affect Windows machines.
Theoretically, yes.
Of course. I'm talking theory. A Mac is just another GP computer and as >>>>>> such can be affected by malware. Are there any, or many, or enough ITW >>>>>> examples to be worried about is not the question. The above blanket >>>>>> statement "Macs don't have viruses" is just wrong.
For the average user, and if you are restricted to malware the user
does not go out of their way to install, it is fairly true. But that >>>>> restriction is a huge one.
Sure, large companies like Apple are always looking for programmers to >>>> code up some useless AM software mostly to take up clock cycles and to >>>> prevent things that it is fairly true don't exist from getting on the
machine.
As you note, macOS comes with anti-malware software. WITH macOS, and
with that software that is included, you are very unlikely to get any
malware with
normal usage.
But that doesn't equate to the blanket statement that "Macs don't have
viruses".
Theoretically they do. In reality they don't.
It is unlikely you could find any normal user who has ever proven to
have had a virus on their Mac (that is proven, not just someone who
thinks they had one because the computer did something "weird"). Same
with any other form of actual bad malware (i.e. not adware or "unwanted programs")
I've been using Apple since the days of the Apple II, basically as tech support (among numerous other tasks), I have *never* *ever* found
anyone to have a virus on their Mac. In contrast, Windoze gets a virus
every time you blink your eyes! I've seen Windoze computers so infested
with multiple viruses that they barely even work.
Now start downloading pirated software and the like and all bets are
off. Also not saying there is no value to sometimes using third party
checkers... esp. if you download a lot of software from sources outside
the Apple Store.
Yes, sort of a belt and suspender approach.
On Jan 7, 2024 at 1:53:46 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote <unf30q$173b2$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2024-01-07 10:12:55 +0000, FromTheRafters said:
Snit was thinking very hard :
On Jan 6, 2024 at 6:06:48 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<unctff$qbao$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit laid this down on his screen :
On Jan 6, 2024 at 3:42:10 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uncl0a$pajv$1@dont-email.me>:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
On 2024-01-06 10:24:59 +0000, FromTheRafters said:
Joerg Lorenz was thinking very hard :
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
==============================================
What online threats can affect Macs?
The kinds of malware that threaten Mac computers are similar to those >>>>>>>>> which affect Windows machines.
Theoretically, yes.
Of course. I'm talking theory. A Mac is just another GP computer and as >>>>>>> such can be affected by malware. Are there any, or many, or enough ITW >>>>>>> examples to be worried about is not the question. The above blanket >>>>>>> statement "Macs don't have viruses" is just wrong.
For the average user, and if you are restricted to malware the user >>>>>> does not go out of their way to install, it is fairly true. But that >>>>>> restriction is a huge one.
Sure, large companies like Apple are always looking for programmers to >>>>> code up some useless AM software mostly to take up clock cycles and to >>>>> prevent things that it is fairly true don't exist from getting on the >>>>> machine.
As you note, macOS comes with anti-malware software. WITH macOS, and
with that software that is included, you are very unlikely to get any
malware with
normal usage.
But that doesn't equate to the blanket statement that "Macs don't have
viruses".
Theoretically they do. In reality they don't.
It is unlikely you could find any normal user who has ever proven to
have had a virus on their Mac (that is proven, not just someone who
thinks they had one because the computer did something "weird"). Same
with any other form of actual bad malware (i.e. not adware or "unwanted
programs")
I've been using Apple since the days of the Apple II, basically as tech
support (among numerous other tasks), I have *never* *ever* found
anyone to have a virus on their Mac. In contrast, Windoze gets a virus
every time you blink your eyes! I've seen Windoze computers so infested
with multiple viruses that they barely even work.
I can nitpick that some but find much the same. I have run into Mac viruses on
very, very rare occasion... since Classic Mac at least. Working in computer labs there was the need for third party apps to deal with it. I used one called Disinfectant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinfectant_(software)
On Jan 7, 2024 at 3:23:16 PM MST, "David B." wrote <l00mikFtd41U1@mid.individual.net>:
On 7 Jan 2024 at 21:04:23 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 7, 2024 at 1:53:46 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote
<unf30q$173b2$1@dont-email.me>:
On 2024-01-07 10:12:55 +0000, FromTheRafters said:
Snit was thinking very hard :
On Jan 6, 2024 at 6:06:48 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<unctff$qbao$1@dont-email.me>:
Snit laid this down on his screen :
On Jan 6, 2024 at 3:42:10 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uncl0a$pajv$1@dont-email.me>:
on 1/6/2024, Your Name supposed :
On 2024-01-06 10:24:59 +0000, FromTheRafters said:
Joerg Lorenz was thinking very hard :
On 05.01.24 20:52, J. J. Lodder wrote:
David Brooks <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
"Think Different."!
*LOL*.
One last thing: Macs don't have viruses.
==============================================
What online threats can affect Macs?
The kinds of malware that threaten Mac computers are similar to those
which affect Windows machines.
Theoretically, yes.
Of course. I'm talking theory. A Mac is just another GP computer and as
such can be affected by malware. Are there any, or many, or enough ITW
examples to be worried about is not the question. The above blanket >>>>>>>>> statement "Macs don't have viruses" is just wrong.
For the average user, and if you are restricted to malware the user >>>>>>>> does not go out of their way to install, it is fairly true. But that >>>>>>>> restriction is a huge one.
Sure, large companies like Apple are always looking for programmers to >>>>>>> code up some useless AM software mostly to take up clock cycles and to >>>>>>> prevent things that it is fairly true don't exist from getting on the >>>>>>> machine.
As you note, macOS comes with anti-malware software. WITH macOS, and >>>>>> with that software that is included, you are very unlikely to get any >>>>>> malware with
normal usage.
But that doesn't equate to the blanket statement that "Macs don't have >>>>> viruses".
Theoretically they do. In reality they don't.
It is unlikely you could find any normal user who has ever proven to
have had a virus on their Mac (that is proven, not just someone who
thinks they had one because the computer did something "weird"). Same
with any other form of actual bad malware (i.e. not adware or "unwanted >>>> programs")
I've been using Apple since the days of the Apple II, basically as tech >>>> support (among numerous other tasks), I have *never* *ever* found
anyone to have a virus on their Mac. In contrast, Windoze gets a virus >>>> every time you blink your eyes! I've seen Windoze computers so infested >>>> with multiple viruses that they barely even work.
I can nitpick that some but find much the same. I have run into Mac viruses on
very, very rare occasion... since Classic Mac at least. Working in computer >>> labs there was the need for third party apps to deal with it. I used one >>> called Disinfectant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinfectant_(software)
I've read about that years ago. Thanks for sharing.
It worked well.
What would you use nowadays - in 2024?
Have not used anything in 2024... but in 2023 I think it was AVG and Avast that I used.
What would you use nowadays - in 2024?
On 2024-01-07 22:23:16 +0000, David B. said:
<snip>
What would you use nowadays - in 2024?
As has been said lots of times already:
You do *NOT* need any anti-virus apps on your Mac.
(There's already one in MacOS itself anyway.)
All you achieve in doing by installing any of that garbage is clogging
up the (now limted) space on your drive and RAM, and slowing down the computer (if they constantly run in the background).
Even in Windoze world they're fairly useless. The anti-malware app
makers will always be one step behind the scum making malware. I've
seen Windoze PCs with big name anti-walware apps, fully up-to-date, and
they still get viruses.
On 2024-01-07 22:23:16 +0000, David B. said:
<snip>
What would you use nowadays - in 2024?
As has been said lots of times already:
You do *NOT* need any anti-virus apps on your Mac.
(There's already one in MacOS itself anyway.)
All you achieve in doing by installing any of that garbage is clogging
up the (now limted) space on your drive and RAM, and slowing down the computer (if they constantly run in the background).
Even in Windoze world they're fairly useless. The anti-malware app
makers will always be one step behind the scum making malware. I've
seen Windoze PCs with big name anti-walware apps, fully up-to-date, and
they still get viruses.
Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:Mon,
Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> news:NoskN.50963$JLvf.21363@fx44.iad
ROFL01 Jan 2024 05:50:37 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvegrgFi7idU1@mid.individual.net >>>> Mon, 01 Jan 2024 00:55:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul >>>>>> 2022 23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
Why have you responded to a post from August 2022, David? It's nearly
2024 now. In some places, it is 2024 now. David, my boy, you don't get >>>> things both ways. You specifically stated that you do not trust me. As >>>> a result, I would simply be wasting my personal free time answering any >>>> technical question you ask of me. I've helped you out asking for
nothing in return, more than I should have already - I do not wish to
continue doing that.
You’ve been repeating stuff for what seems like just as long!
Awe. Don't you have court dates to concern yourself with, mr stalker?
No. I don’t. But you like to make up stories about my life.
On 5 Jan 2024 at 02:03:49 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Which is why you specifically asked me, right, David? Go ahead, try
your nonsensical bullshit with a newbie. Perhaps snit would fall for
it?
I am fully aware that if I load ClamXAV onto my Apple iMac then there
will be constant communication between my computer and the ClamXAV
server.
You are laughingly, misinformed.
False!
In effect, I will have provided that very 'back door' which
every malicious hacker is seeking.
Tell us that you have no idea what the fuck you're writing about,
without actually telling us. :)
I will have no idea at all what mischief may be being carried out
behind the scenes, as it were.
It's expected that you wouldn't have a clue. That's a given. But, the
product has been peer reviewed and taken to pieces by the competition
on more than one occasion; it's something that's routine and quite
common in that scene. Vx did it to AV and AV did it to other Av and VX
alike.
So again, you are writing completely from your asshole, David.
If there was anything nefarious, it would have been tagged a long time
ago by people like myself, who actually do have the expertise to be
able to determine that.
But you haven't LOOKED!
Some people said the same complete bullshit about my BugHunter program;
at no time did any of the naysayers comments ever prove to have held
water at any point in time during the programs entire lifetime. Despite
efforts by lamers like you to besmirch it, it never contained a single
line of malicious code; never trashed so much as one fucking system.
David NEVER doubted your Bughunter software Dustin.
No every-day computer user will have any clue about any surrupticious
activity. Indeed, who would ever bother to check?!!
David, the solution is quite simple. Just don't use the product. You're
the only person I've ever heard of who takes such a paranoid viewpoint
about it, and for the longest time couldn't understand what a false
positive was. You wanted to argue about that too and refused to listen
to reason. This is no different. The program is fine, you're the issue.
*That's what our Post Office told our sub-postmaters about Horizon*!
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB0F3E5653FD00HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> news:WoLlN.23673$6ePe.2742@fx42.iad
Fri, 05 Jan 2024 04:16:54 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:Mon,
Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> news:NoskN.50963$JLvf.21363@fx44.iad
ROFL01 Jan 2024 05:50:37 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org>
news:kvegrgFi7idU1@mid.individual.net Mon, 01 Jan 2024 00:55:12 GMT >>>>>> in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 >>>>>>>> Jul 2022 23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
Why have you responded to a post from August 2022, David? It's
nearly 2024 now. In some places, it is 2024 now. David, my boy,
you don't get things both ways. You specifically stated that you do >>>>>> not trust me. As a result, I would simply be wasting my personal
free time answering any technical question you ask of me. I've
helped you out asking for nothing in return, more than I should
have already - I do not wish to continue doing that.
You’ve been repeating stuff for what seems like just as long!
Awe. Don't you have court dates to concern yourself with, mr stalker?
No. I don’t. But you like to make up stories about my life.
Why would I or anyone else waste the time?
Because you are pathetic trolls who are obsessive and hateful. You
loathe that I will not sink to your level.
Especially when your own court
issues are a matter of public record. Sometimes, I don't think you even
make sense to yourself, Snit.
Why do you feel you have the need to lie about me?
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02\u20acPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB0F3E565D8121HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
There is communication each time you use it.
Yes, but it's not constant communication as David claimed. And, it's
quite normal for the type of product that it is.
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I see your error.
Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> news:WoLlN.23673$6ePe.2742@fx42.iad Fri, 05 Jan 2024 04:16:54 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:Mon,
Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> news:NoskN.50963$JLvf.21363@fx44.iad
ROFL01 Jan 2024 05:50:37 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvegrgFi7idU1@mid.individual.net >>>>> Mon, 01 Jan 2024 00:55:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 10 Aug 2022 at 00:50:53 BST, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: >>>>>>
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:tbpsg6$28ll5$1@dont-email.me Tue, 26 Jul >>>>>>> 2022 23:14:14 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2022-07-26 14:41, David Brooks wrote:
What to do if you think your Mac has a virus:-
First of all, and most importantly:
Never pay attention to you at all.
Agreed :)
And YOU would check an Apple computer for malware HOW, Gremlin?
Why have you responded to a post from August 2022, David? It's nearly >>>>> 2024 now. In some places, it is 2024 now. David, my boy, you don't get >>>>> things both ways. You specifically stated that you do not trust me. As >>>>> a result, I would simply be wasting my personal free time answering any >>>>> technical question you ask of me. I've helped you out asking for
nothing in return, more than I should have already - I do not wish to >>>>> continue doing that.
You’ve been repeating stuff for what seems like just as long!
Awe. Don't you have court dates to concern yourself with, mr stalker?
No. I don’t. But you like to make up stories about my life.
Why would I or anyone else waste the time? Especially when your own court issues are a matter of public record. Sometimes, I don't think you even make sense to yourself, Snit.
On Jan 8, 2024 at 9:22:24 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB0F3EDC435B8AHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:Cl3nN.104165$yEgf.11448@fx09.iad
Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:47:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02â\u20acŻPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3E565D8121HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
There is communication each time you use it.
Yes, but it's not constant communication as David claimed. And, it's
quite normal for the type of product that it is.
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I'm taking it exactly as he wrote it,
Glad you agree.
which is exactly how he understands it
to be.
I did not take his comment to be literal. Maybe he can clarify which of us is correct. If I am wrong I will happily admit it. You?
This is a good test... see if you can join me in letting go of your ego.
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvfi6lFnq9eU1@mid.individual.net
Mon, 01 Jan 2024 10:24:21 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 1 Jan 2024 at 05:31:23 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
I don't expect you to know the answers to my Apple questions, Dustin.
*yawn* try harder, David.
I am fully aware that if I load ClamXAV onto my Apple iMac then there
will be constant communication between my computer and the ClamXAV
server.
It's not constant communication, and, the communication which is performed
is quite normal. If however, you have an issue with it, you can set rules in your firewall that will deny it access to do that. Of course, that does have a drawback; you'll disable it's ability to acquire updates. Do you even
think why such a program might need to be able to call home before you just assume it's doing so with the worst of intentions? It's protection abilities are only as good as it's last update, David. It has to be able to call home to tell home which database set it has, and if it doesn't have the most current, it needs to be able to get it.
Apps of this kind do this as part of their routine function on a daily
basis, David. It's *normal* for them to do so.
In effect, I will have provided that very 'back door' which
every malicious hacker is seeking.
You really have no idea what you're writing about. Hacking doesn't work like you seem to think it does, David.
I will have no idea at all what mischief may be being carried out behindthe scenes, as it were.
You don't even know if there is mischief afoot; you're incorrectly assuming in this case and going with that assumption. Poor form, to say the least, David
No every-day computer user will have any clue about any surrupticious
activity. Indeed, who would ever bother to check?!!
You have demonstrated, time and time again, that you are not capable of
doing any of the research for yourself. You are tech incompetent, on your good days, David. Due to your ignorance that you make absolutely no effort
to correct, you proceed to besmirch and slime products. You should be sued for it, and have to in a courtroom support the accusations you make. Or, pay a hefty fine and have a judge explain why you cannot do what you've been doing.
On Jan 8, 2024 at 11:52:26 PM MST, "David B." wrote <l048paFje7jU1@mid.individual.net>:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 05:33:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 9:22:24 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3EDC435B8AHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:Cl3nN.104165$yEgf.11448@fx09.iad >>>> Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:47:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02â\u20acŻPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3E565D8121HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
There is communication each time you use it.
Yes, but it's not constant communication as David claimed. And, it's >>>>>> quite normal for the type of product that it is.
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I'm taking it exactly as he wrote it,
Glad you agree.
which is exactly how he understands it
to be.
I did not take his comment to be literal. Maybe he can clarify which of us is
correct. If I am wrong I will happily admit it. You?
This is a good test... see if you can join me in letting go of your ego.
When I download and install ClamXAV onto my iMac I grant permission for the >> product to communicate with the mothership. I personally have no control
whatsoever on when, or why, such communication takes place, nor can I check >> what information is being sent. I am more than happy to give such access to >> Apple itself, for example, but not to a tin-pot outfit in Scotland which
refuses to 'talk' to me.
That and, of course, the established fact that Apple itself controls what
software is permitted to run on an Apple computer. Independent AV software >> isn't necessary.
All fair enough... and seems you did not mean it literally constant communication.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uncruq$q552$1@dont-email.me Sun, 07
Jan 2024 00:40:59 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2024-01-06, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Sure, they do like to sell their products.
Look here:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49>
P.S. DB you are gonna LOVE this site :)
He won't understand any of those reports. OTH, you may have caused a
shitload of future n00b hand holding threads to come into existance. :(
Some people don't understand that Apple has enjoyed the hardly any itw
things to be concerned with due to security by obsecurity. IE: it's never been a target that held enough of a userbase to be worthy of the time or effort. As that changes, over time, it's natural for it to become a more featured target. It's not about the Apple device being malware proof or hack proof or anything else along those lines.
Also, in a networked world such as the one we live in now, you aren't
running AV just to protect the machine in front of you; you're also being a responsible netizen and trying to keep your computer from passing along any 'colds' to another computer you may interact with, even if the particular machine you are using isn't capable of catching that particular cold
variant. My linux based file servers didn't have an AV scanner on them because I was concerned they'd catch something; it was to reduce the chances they'd be used to store something malicious another system could catch a
cold from.
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:l00r5aFu639U1@mid.individual.net
Sun, 07 Jan 2024 23:41:30 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
"Your Name" - I AGREE WITH YOU! :-)
*yawn* was the windows machine actually infected with one or more viruses,
or was it something else that people are all too quick to simply call a virus? A virus has to replicate, it's not optional. If the malware in question does not do this, it's not a fucking virus.
The infamous Dustin Cook, posting here as Gremlin, actually used to be
one of "the scum making malware".
And the reason you felt it necessary to drop my real name or even include me in your discussion was?
I hope and trust that he has now put all that behind him.
Ahh, I see. It's your dishonest nature. As you well fucking know, that was already well behind me, years before you ever made contact with me. How many fucking times do you have to have that repeated to you before it sinks into that alcohol pickled brain of yours, David?
FFS, why don't you tell him (if you want to be real honest) how you tried to hire me to break into servers you didn't own, and I refused your requests enough times that you tried to pay me to do it, and I refused that too. And that's about the time you decided that you had a problem with me and tried
to dox me on usenet of all places. Why don't you be totally honest David?
You wanted to bring me up, so why not bring it all up? Why keep him mostly
in the dark like a mushroom?
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvpsc5FlvveU1@mid.individual.net
Fri, 05 Jan 2024 08:19:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 5 Jan 2024 at 02:03:49 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
Which is why you specifically asked me, right, David? Go ahead, try
your nonsensical bullshit with a newbie. Perhaps snit would fall for
it?
I am fully aware that if I load ClamXAV onto my Apple iMac then there
will be constant communication between my computer and the ClamXAV
server.
You are laughingly, misinformed.
False!
No, not false. It doesn't stay in constant communication as you claimed above. It does call home - and it's a perfectly legitimate reason for doing so. It's normal infact for this type of program to be doing that. I'd be concerned if it didn't, because that would mean I'd have to make sure it had the most recent database updates, manually, myself.
In effect, I will have provided that very 'back door' which
every malicious hacker is seeking.
Tell us that you have no idea what the fuck you're writing about,
without actually telling us. :)
Running away as snit so often likes to say, David? You were attempting to
use hacker terminology without understanding what you were writing about.
I will have no idea at all what mischief may be being carried out
behind the scenes, as it were.
It's expected that you wouldn't have a clue. That's a given. But, the
product has been peer reviewed and taken to pieces by the competition
on more than one occasion; it's something that's routine and quite
common in that scene. Vx did it to AV and AV did it to other Av and VX
alike.
So again, you are writing completely from your asshole, David.
If there was anything nefarious, it would have been tagged a long time
ago by people like myself, who actually do have the expertise to be
able to determine that.
But you haven't LOOKED!
Yes, I have. It doesn't matter though. I've told you the same thing before. You've completely ignored me.
Some people said the same complete bullshit about my BugHunter program;
at no time did any of the naysayers comments ever prove to have held
water at any point in time during the programs entire lifetime. Despite
efforts by lamers like you to besmirch it, it never contained a single
line of malicious code; never trashed so much as one fucking system.
David NEVER doubted your Bughunter software Dustin.
Hahah, yes you did. So much so, you asked other Avers about it. :)
No every-day computer user will have any clue about any surrupticious
activity. Indeed, who would ever bother to check?!!
David, the solution is quite simple. Just don't use the product. You're
the only person I've ever heard of who takes such a paranoid viewpoint
about it, and for the longest time couldn't understand what a false
positive was. You wanted to argue about that too and refused to listen
to reason. This is no different. The program is fine, you're the issue.
*That's what our Post Office told our sub-postmaters about Horizon*!
Again, the solution is quite simple. Just don't use the product.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:uncruq$q552$1@dont-email.me Sun, 07
Jan 2024 00:40:59 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 2024-01-06, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Sure, they do like to sell their products.
Look here:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49>
P.S. DB you are gonna LOVE this site :)
He won't understand any of those reports. OTH, you may have caused a
shitload of future n00b hand holding threads to come into existance. :(
Some people don't understand that Apple has enjoyed the hardly any itw
things to be concerned with due to security by obscurity. IE: it's never
been a target that held enough of a userbase to be worthy of the time or effort. As that changes, over time, it's natural for it to become a more featured target. It's not about the Apple device being malware proof or hack proof or anything else along those lines.
Also, in a networked world such as the one we live in now, you aren't
running AV just to protect the machine in front of you; you're also being a responsible netizen and trying to keep your computer from passing along any 'colds' to another computer you may interact with, even if the particular machine you are using isn't capable of catching that particular cold
variant. My linux based file servers didn't have an AV scanner on them because I was concerned they'd catch something; it was to reduce the chances they'd be used to store something malicious another system could catch a
cold from.
On 9 Jan 2024 at 07:08:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 11:52:26 PM MST, "David B." wrote
<l048paFje7jU1@mid.individual.net>:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 05:33:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Jan 8, 2024 at 9:22:24 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3EDC435B8AHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:When I download and install ClamXAV onto my iMac I grant permission for
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:Cl3nN.104165$yEgf.11448@fx09.iad >>>>> Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:47:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02â\u20acŻPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3E565D8121HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
There is communication each time you use it.
Yes, but it's not constant communication as David claimed. And, it's >>>>>>> quite normal for the type of product that it is.
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I'm taking it exactly as he wrote it,
Glad you agree.
which is exactly how he understands it
to be.
I did not take his comment to be literal. Maybe he can clarify which of >>>> us is correct. If I am wrong I will happily admit it. You?
This is a good test... see if you can join me in letting go of your ego. >>>
the product to communicate with the mothership. I personally have no
control whatsoever on when, or why, such communication takes place, nor
can I check what information is being sent. I am more than happy to
give such access to Apple itself, for example, but not to a tin-pot
outfit in Scotland which refuses to 'talk' to me. That and, of course,
the established fact that Apple itself controls what software is
permitted to run on an Apple computer. Independent AV software isn't
necessary.
All fair enough... and seems you did not mean it literally constant
communication.
Exactly. The ABILITY to communicate whenever it wishes - NOT under control of the computer user.
On 2024-01-09 07:55:43 +0000, David B. said:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 07:08:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 11:52:26 PM MST, "David B." wrote
<l048paFje7jU1@mid.individual.net>:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 05:33:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jan 8, 2024 at 9:22:24 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3EDC435B8AHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:When I download and install ClamXAV onto my iMac I grant permission for >>>> the product to communicate with the mothership. I personally have no
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:Cl3nN.104165$yEgf.11448@fx09.iad >>>>>> Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:47:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02â\u20acŻPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3E565D8121HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
There is communication each time you use it.
Yes, but it's not constant communication as David claimed. And, it's >>>>>>>> quite normal for the type of product that it is.
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I'm taking it exactly as he wrote it,
Glad you agree.
which is exactly how he understands it
to be.
I did not take his comment to be literal. Maybe he can clarify which of >>>>> us is correct. If I am wrong I will happily admit it. You?
This is a good test... see if you can join me in letting go of your ego. >>>>
control whatsoever on when, or why, such communication takes place, nor >>>> can I check what information is being sent. I am more than happy to
give such access to Apple itself, for example, but not to a tin-pot
outfit in Scotland which refuses to 'talk' to me. That and, of course, >>>> the established fact that Apple itself controls what software is
permitted to run on an Apple computer. Independent AV software isn't
necessary.
All fair enough... and seems you did not mean it literally constant
communication.
Exactly. The ABILITY to communicate whenever it wishes - NOT under control of
the computer user.
Like most other apps these days. Almost every app has the "ability" to
check the developer's website for updates, valid registration, etc.
If you're really that worried about it, just shutdown the computer and
go live in a log cabin in the middle of the woods, and don't forget
your stock of tin foil hats. :-\
This is a ludicrous topic.
A. You do not need anti-malware apps on a Mac.
B. If you want to use one, then use one. If you don't like Clam, then
use another brand ... there's more than enough choice of others
equally pointless anti-malware apps around.
C. Clam has been around for over two decades. If there was anything
seriously wrong with it, numerous people would have reported it by
now ... and *NOBODY* has.
Whichever you choose, just stop whining about it. :-\
On 9 Jan 2024 at 19:50:08 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-09 07:55:43 +0000, David B. said:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 07:08:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Jan 8, 2024 at 11:52:26 PM MST, "David B." wrote
<l048paFje7jU1@mid.individual.net>:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 05:33:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Jan 8, 2024 at 9:22:24 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3EDC435B8AHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:When I download and install ClamXAV onto my iMac I grant permission for >>>>> the product to communicate with the mothership. I personally have no >>>>> control whatsoever on when, or why, such communication takes place, nor >>>>> can I check what information is being sent. I am more than happy to
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:Cl3nN.104165$yEgf.11448@fx09.iad >>>>>>> Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:47:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02â\u20acŻPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3E565D8121HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
There is communication each time you use it.
Yes, but it's not constant communication as David claimed. And, it's >>>>>>>>> quite normal for the type of product that it is.
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I'm taking it exactly as he wrote it,
Glad you agree.
which is exactly how he understands it
to be.
I did not take his comment to be literal. Maybe he can clarify which of >>>>>> us is correct. If I am wrong I will happily admit it. You?
This is a good test... see if you can join me in letting go of your ego. >>>>>
give such access to Apple itself, for example, but not to a tin-pot
outfit in Scotland which refuses to 'talk' to me. That and, of course, >>>>> the established fact that Apple itself controls what software is
permitted to run on an Apple computer. Independent AV software isn't >>>>> necessary.
All fair enough... and seems you did not mean it literally constant
communication.
Exactly. The ABILITY to communicate whenever it wishes - NOT under control of
the computer user.
Like most other apps these days. Almost every app has the "ability" to
check the developer's website for updates, valid registration, etc.
Agreed
If you're really that worried about it, just shutdown the computer and
go live in a log cabin in the middle of the woods, and don't forget
your stock of tin foil hats. :-\
My only concern is any wrong-doing on the Internet.
This is a ludicrous topic.
A. You do not need anti-malware apps on a Mac.
Agreed
B. If you want to use one, then use one. If you don't like Clam, then
use another brand ... there's more than enough choice of others
equally pointless anti-malware apps around.
I do NOT want to use AV software on my iMac!
C. Clam has been around for over two decades. If there was anything
seriously wrong with it, numerous people would have reported it by
now ... and *NOBODY* has.
I've not been discussing "Clam" - I'm confident that there is nothing to be concerned about with Clam itself.
Whichever you choose, just stop whining about it. :-\
Whining I'm not. I'm concerned that the developer of ClamXAV is 'selling a pup' to naive users of Apple computers.
Have YOU read what is claimed on their website? www.clamxav.com
Do read the Trust Pilot comments here: https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/clamxav.com
Most comments are from people in the USA ........ but there is one from me!
HTH
If you are concerned about software calling the mother-ship then
install something like Wireshark for the ultimate in packet sniffing.
Be aware it has a steep learning curve so you will probably
misinterpret data, at least in the early stages of learning the program.
<https://www.wireshark.org/>
For something simpler but still effective why not try Little Snitch
<https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html>
There are plenty of others as well.
HTH.
On 9 Jan 2024 at 19:50:08 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-09 07:55:43 +0000, David B. said:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 07:08:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Jan 8, 2024 at 11:52:26 PM MST, "David B." wrote
<l048paFje7jU1@mid.individual.net>:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 05:33:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Jan 8, 2024 at 9:22:24 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3EDC435B8AHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:When I download and install ClamXAV onto my iMac I grant permission for >>>>> the product to communicate with the mothership. I personally have no >>>>> control whatsoever on when, or why, such communication takes place, nor >>>>> can I check what information is being sent. I am more than happy to
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:Cl3nN.104165$yEgf.11448@fx09.iad >>>>>>> Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:47:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02â\u20acŻPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3E565D8121HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
There is communication each time you use it.
Yes, but it's not constant communication as David claimed. And, it's >>>>>>>>> quite normal for the type of product that it is.
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I'm taking it exactly as he wrote it,
Glad you agree.
which is exactly how he understands it
to be.
I did not take his comment to be literal. Maybe he can clarify which of >>>>>> us is correct. If I am wrong I will happily admit it. You?
This is a good test... see if you can join me in letting go of your ego. >>>>>
give such access to Apple itself, for example, but not to a tin-pot
outfit in Scotland which refuses to 'talk' to me. That and, of course, >>>>> the established fact that Apple itself controls what software is
permitted to run on an Apple computer. Independent AV software isn't >>>>> necessary.
All fair enough... and seems you did not mean it literally constant
communication.
Exactly. The ABILITY to communicate whenever it wishes - NOT under control of
the computer user.
Like most other apps these days. Almost every app has the "ability" to
check the developer's website for updates, valid registration, etc.
Agreed
If you're really that worried about it, just shutdown the computer and
go live in a log cabin in the middle of the woods, and don't forget
your stock of tin foil hats. :-\
My only concern is any wrong-doing on the Internet.
This is a ludicrous topic.
A. You do not need anti-malware apps on a Mac.
Agreed
B. If you want to use one, then use one. If you don't like Clam, then
use another brand ... there's more than enough choice of others
equally pointless anti-malware apps around.
I do NOT want to use AV software on my iMac!
C. Clam has been around for over two decades. If there was anything
seriously wrong with it, numerous people would have reported it by
now ... and *NOBODY* has.
I've not been discussing "Clam" - I'm confident that there is nothing to be concerned about with Clam itself.
Whichever you choose, just stop whining about it. :-\
Whining I'm not. I'm concerned that the developer of ClamXAV is 'selling a pup' to naive users of Apple computers.
Have YOU read what is claimed on their website? www.clamxav.com
Do read the Trust Pilot comments here: https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/clamxav.com
Most comments are from people in the USA ........ but there is one from me!
HTH
On 2024-01-09 23:25:57 +0000, pothead said:
If you are concerned about software calling the mother-ship then
install something like Wireshark for the ultimate in packet sniffing.
Be aware it has a steep learning curve so you will probably
misinterpret data, at least in the early stages of learning the program.
<https://www.wireshark.org/>
For something simpler but still effective why not try Little Snitch
<https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html>
There are plenty of others as well.
HTH.
Yep. There's also Lulu (which is free).
<https://objective-see.org/products/lulu.html>
If you are still using an older version of MacOS there is Hands Off.
<https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/35277/hands-off>
If you know what you're doing, you can also manually edit the MacOS
Hosts file. The free Gas Mask app is useful for editing and
'hot-swapping' Hosts files.
<https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/29949/gas-mask>
On 9 Jan 2024 at 03:33:06 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:l00r5aFu639U1@mid.individual.net
Sun, 07 Jan 2024 23:41:30 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
"Your Name" - I AGREE WITH YOU! :-)
*yawn* was the windows machine actually infected with one or more viruses, >> or was it something else that people are all too quick to simply call a
virus? A virus has to replicate, it's not optional. If the malware in
question does not do this, it's not a fucking virus.
I have no idea.
The infamous Dustin Cook, posting here as Gremlin, actually used to be
one of "the scum making malware".
And the reason you felt it necessary to drop my real name or even include me >> in your discussion was?
You are the resident EXPERT, Dustin.
I hope and trust that he has now put all that behind him.
Ahh, I see. It's your dishonest nature. As you well fucking know, that was >> already well behind me, years before you ever made contact with me. How many >> fucking times do you have to have that repeated to you before it sinks into >> that alcohol pickled brain of yours, David?
I've told you again and again. I stopped drinking alcohol on 21 March 2018.
FFS, why don't you tell him (if you want to be real honest) how you tried to >> hire me to break into servers you didn't own, and I refused your requests
enough times that you tried to pay me to do it, and I refused that too. And >> that's about the time you decided that you had a problem with me and tried >> to dox me on usenet of all places. Why don't you be totally honest David?
You wanted to bring me up, so why not bring it all up? Why keep him mostly >> in the dark like a mushroom?
If he wants to know, and asks, I'll tell him that I aspired to get you to help >me catch bad guys - and that you refused.
ROFL, dude you sink beyond that of even David Brooks;
If you disagree that is cool. But the fact is you and Carroll and others
who troll DO make up stories about my life as a part of your trolling.
That is a fact.
This is a test to see if you can be honest
On Jan 8, 2024 at 9:22:24\u20acPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB0F3EDC435B8AHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I'm taking it exactly as he wrote it,
Glad you agree.
I did not take his comment to be literal
Maybe he can clarify which of us is correct.
If I am wrong I will happily admit it. You?
This is a good test... see if you can join me in letting go of your ego.
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:l048paFje7jU1@mid.individual.net
Tue, 09 Jan 2024 06:52:26 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 05:33:24 GMT, "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 9:22:24โ\u20acฏPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3EDC435B8AHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:Cl3nN.104165$yEgf.11448@fx09.iad >>>> Tue, 09 Jan 2024 03:47:46 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Jan 8, 2024 at 8:33:02รข\u20acลปPM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB0F3E565D8121HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
There is communication each time you use it.
Yes, but it's not constant communication as David claimed. And, it's >>>>>> quite normal for the type of product that it is.
Ah, you are taking what he said literally .
I'm taking it exactly as he wrote it,
Glad you agree.
which is exactly how he understands it
to be.
I did not take his comment to be literal. Maybe he can clarify which of
us is correct. If I am wrong I will happily admit it. You?
This is a good test... see if you can join me in letting go of your
ego.
When I download and install ClamXAV onto my iMac I grant permission for
the product to communicate with the mothership. I personally have no
control whatsoever on when, or why, such communication takes place, nor
can I check what information is being sent. I am more than happy to give
such access to Apple itself, for example, but not to a tin-pot outfit in
Scotland which refuses to 'talk' to me.
That and, of course, the established fact that Apple itself controls
what software is permitted to run on an Apple computer. Independent AV
software isn't necessary.
Why didn't you clarify and answer his question? Why the total avoidance? Surely you didn't realize he was about to accidently expose you as a liar concerning the product did you? David, you can't honestly expect me to believe you noticed his sly little move here. I have to be wrong, I have to have misunderstood what you meant; because if I didn't, you used the word constant to mislead people. You're trying to scare would be readers away
from using the program. No fuckin way you caught that, though. So, please, stop dancing around snits question. He's wanting to ride me and score a win here. It'll be an easy one; all you have to do is support what he claimed. So, respond again and do so. It's piss easy! Support your friend; state why you used the word constant. Tell us, the readers why you used that word; the specific thought you wanted us to have when we read it. Go ahead, David.
Tell us that you tried to slime the product, that you tried to mislead
people concerning what it does/doesn't do, again. Snit needs to be right.
You can make it so!
Have the two of you considered meeting up irl and going on the road? The comedy and store telling is fucking golden! snit could respond to the hecklers in the audience; that would get you a shitload more laughs!!!
[....]
YOU haven't checked how ClamXAV operates so you have no idea what transpires.
Mark Allan refuses to communicate with me. What kind of response did YOU get when you wrote to him?
There is a MID where you said that you DID write to him, but I expect you recall well enough.
As SC has mentioned......
"What does it matter *when* it
communicates? If it was going to perform malicious activities it'd be 'Glasser level' stupid to do it 100% of the time (where anyone who knows
how to open Activity Monitor might notice). You'd log all the crap you thought was important that you had access to and submit it along with a request for updates."
=
That seems pretty obvious, even to me!
Ref:-
Message-ID: <unjloa$21jai$4@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
Mark Allan refuses to communicate with me.
On 9 Jan 2024 at 03:33:03 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvfi6lFnq9eU1@mid.individual.net
Mon, 01 Jan 2024 10:24:21 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 1 Jan 2024 at 05:31:23 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
I don't expect you to know the answers to my Apple questions, Dustin.
*yawn* try harder, David.
I am fully aware that if I load ClamXAV onto my Apple iMac then there
will be constant communication between my computer and the ClamXAV
server.
It's not constant communication, and, the communication which is
performed is quite normal. If however, you have an issue with it, you
can set rules in your firewall that will deny it access to do that. Of
course, that does have a drawback; you'll disable it's ability to
acquire updates. Do you even think why such a program might need to be
able to call home before you just assume it's doing so with the worst
of intentions? It's protection abilities are only as good as it's last
update, David. It has to be able to call home to tell home which
database set it has, and if it doesn't have the most current, it needs
to be able to get it.
Apps of this kind do this as part of their routine function on a daily
basis, David. It's *normal* for them to do so.
In effect, I will have provided that very 'back door' which
every malicious hacker is seeking.
You really have no idea what you're writing about. Hacking doesn't work
like you seem to think it does, David.
I will have no idea at all what mischief may be being carried outthe scenes, as it were.
behind
You don't even know if there is mischief afoot; you're incorrectly
assuming in this case and going with that assumption. Poor form, to say
the least, David
No every-day computer user will have any clue about any surrupticious
activity. Indeed, who would ever bother to check?!!
You have demonstrated, time and time again, that you are not capable of
doing any of the research for yourself. You are tech incompetent, on
your good days, David. Due to your ignorance that you make absolutely
no effort to correct, you proceed to besmirch and slime products. You
should be sued for it, and have to in a courtroom support the
accusations you make. Or, pay a hefty fine and have a judge explain why
you cannot do what you've been doing.
Are you putting your reputation on the line here, Dustin, and claiming
that ClamXAV does NOTHING nefarious if loaded onto an Apple computer?
Just a yes or no, please.
On 20 Jan 2024 at 17:13:38 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:l04cdeFk3f3U1@mid.individual.net
Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:54:22 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 03:33:03 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvfi6lFnq9eU1@mid.individual.net >>>> Mon, 01 Jan 2024 10:24:21 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 1 Jan 2024 at 05:31:23 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:*yawn* try harder, David.
I don't expect you to know the answers to my Apple questions, Dustin. >>>>
I am fully aware that if I load ClamXAV onto my Apple iMac then there >>>>> will be constant communication between my computer and the ClamXAV
server.
It's not constant communication, and, the communication which is
performed is quite normal. If however, you have an issue with it, you
can set rules in your firewall that will deny it access to do that. Of >>>> course, that does have a drawback; you'll disable it's ability to
acquire updates. Do you even think why such a program might need to be >>>> able to call home before you just assume it's doing so with the worst
of intentions? It's protection abilities are only as good as it's last >>>> update, David. It has to be able to call home to tell home which
database set it has, and if it doesn't have the most current, it needs >>>> to be able to get it.
Apps of this kind do this as part of their routine function on a daily >>>> basis, David. It's *normal* for them to do so.
In effect, I will have provided that very 'back door' which
every malicious hacker is seeking.
You really have no idea what you're writing about. Hacking doesn't work >>>> like you seem to think it does, David.
I will have no idea at all what mischief may be being carried outthe scenes, as it were.
behind
You don't even know if there is mischief afoot; you're incorrectly
assuming in this case and going with that assumption. Poor form, to say >>>> the least, David
No every-day computer user will have any clue about any surrupticious >>>>> activity. Indeed, who would ever bother to check?!!
You have demonstrated, time and time again, that you are not capable of >>>> doing any of the research for yourself. You are tech incompetent, on
your good days, David. Due to your ignorance that you make absolutely
no effort to correct, you proceed to besmirch and slime products. You
should be sued for it, and have to in a courtroom support the
accusations you make. Or, pay a hefty fine and have a judge explain why >>>> you cannot do what you've been doing.
Are you putting your reputation on the line here, Dustin, and claiming
that ClamXAV does NOTHING nefarious if loaded onto an Apple computer?
Just a yes or no, please.
Yes.
Thank you.
Why do you think Mark Allan needed the expertise of Daysix.co to construct his
ClamXAV website?
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:l04cdeFk3f3U1@mid.individual.net
Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:54:22 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 9 Jan 2024 at 03:33:03 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> news:kvfi6lFnq9eU1@mid.individual.net
Mon, 01 Jan 2024 10:24:21 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 1 Jan 2024 at 05:31:23 GMT, "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
I don't expect you to know the answers to my Apple questions, Dustin.
*yawn* try harder, David.
I am fully aware that if I load ClamXAV onto my Apple iMac then there
will be constant communication between my computer and the ClamXAV
server.
It's not constant communication, and, the communication which is
performed is quite normal. If however, you have an issue with it, you
can set rules in your firewall that will deny it access to do that. Of
course, that does have a drawback; you'll disable it's ability to
acquire updates. Do you even think why such a program might need to be
able to call home before you just assume it's doing so with the worst
of intentions? It's protection abilities are only as good as it's last
update, David. It has to be able to call home to tell home which
database set it has, and if it doesn't have the most current, it needs
to be able to get it.
Apps of this kind do this as part of their routine function on a daily
basis, David. It's *normal* for them to do so.
In effect, I will have provided that very 'back door' which
every malicious hacker is seeking.
You really have no idea what you're writing about. Hacking doesn't work
like you seem to think it does, David.
I will have no idea at all what mischief may be being carried outthe scenes, as it were.
behind
You don't even know if there is mischief afoot; you're incorrectly
assuming in this case and going with that assumption. Poor form, to say
the least, David
No every-day computer user will have any clue about any surrupticious
activity. Indeed, who would ever bother to check?!!
You have demonstrated, time and time again, that you are not capable of
doing any of the research for yourself. You are tech incompetent, on
your good days, David. Due to your ignorance that you make absolutely
no effort to correct, you proceed to besmirch and slime products. You
should be sued for it, and have to in a courtroom support the
accusations you make. Or, pay a hefty fine and have a judge explain why
you cannot do what you've been doing.
Are you putting your reputation on the line here, Dustin, and claiming
that ClamXAV does NOTHING nefarious if loaded onto an Apple computer?
Just a yes or no, please.
Yes.
Thank you.
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