Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time Machine backups I move them from one computer to another.over 1.8M files!!!). It took hours.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough room only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups that I didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new MacBook a few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups (
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they take 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I look at GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GBleft out of 800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility and it took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought maybe it still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad file system). So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only
On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:over 1.8M files!!!). It took hours.
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time Machine backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough room only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups that I didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new MacBook a few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups (
220GB left out of 800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility and it took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought maybe it still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad file system). So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theresAnyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they take 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I look at GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time Machine
backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough room
only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups that I
didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new MacBook a
few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups (over 1.8M
files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the
new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they take
380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I look at
GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left out of
800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility and it
took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought maybe it
still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad file system).
So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only 220GB available how
do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it. When I
said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to immediately
delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the trash can.
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time Machine
backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough room
only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups that I
didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new MacBook a
few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups (over 1.8M
files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the
new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they take
380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I look at
GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left out of
800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility and it
took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought maybe it
still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad file system).
So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only 220GB available how
do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it. When IHave you tried using a disk usage analyzer utility like DaisyDisk or GrandPerspective to see where the space is used?
said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to immediately
delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the trash can.
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time Machine
backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough room
only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups that I
didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new MacBook a
few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups (over 1.8M
files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the
new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they take >> > 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I look at
GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left out of
800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility and it
took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought maybe it
still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad file system).
So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only 220GB available how
do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
No I've never heard of those. Can't disk utility tell me? If not I will look for those.I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it. When I said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to immediately delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the trash can.Have you tried using a disk usage analyzer utility like DaisyDisk or GrandPerspective to see where the space is used?
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:16:41 PM UTC-8, Connor Shannon wrote:it still seems like a problem with the disk seeing files that were deleted, like some file list didn't get updated.
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:No I've never heard of those. Can't disk utility tell me? If not I will look for those.
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote:Have you tried using a disk usage analyzer utility like DaisyDisk or
On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time Machine
backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough room
only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups that I
didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new MacBook a >>>>>> few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups (over 1.8M
files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the
new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they take >>>>>> 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I look at >>>>>> GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left out of
800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility and it
took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought maybe it
still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad file system). >>>>>> So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only 220GB available how >>>>>> do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it. When I >>>> said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to immediately
delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the trash can.
GrandPerspective to see where the space is used?
will they be able to tell me if the disk THINKS there's more stuff than there really is? The backups folder has two folders and they add up to what the Backups folder says which is less than 200GB. It's just GetInfo that says the disk is using 580GB.
On 2023-01-29 15:37, Connor Shannon wrote:it still seems like a problem with the disk seeing files that were deleted, like some file list didn't get updated.
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:16:41 PM UTC-8, Connor Shannon wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:No I've never heard of those. Can't disk utility tell me? If not I will look for those.
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote: >>>>> On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:Have you tried using a disk usage analyzer utility like DaisyDisk or
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time Machine >>>>>> backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough room >>>>>> only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups that I >>>>>> didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new MacBook a >>>>>> few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups (over 1.8M
files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the >>>>>> new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they take >>>>>> 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I look at >>>>>> GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left out of >>>>>> 800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility and it >>>>>> took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought maybe it >>>>>> still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad file system). >>>>>> So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only 220GB available how >>>>>> do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it. When I >>>> said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to immediately
delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the trash can.
GrandPerspective to see where the space is used?
will they be able to tell me if the disk THINKS there's more stuff than there really is? The backups folder has two folders and they add up to what the Backups folder says which is less than 200GB. It's just GetInfo that says the disk is using 580GB.
Since those operations did you eject the drive, unplug it, and then
re-mount it?
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time
Machine backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough
room only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups
that I didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new
MacBook a few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups
(over 1.8M files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the
new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they
take 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I
look at GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left
out of 800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility
and it took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought
maybe it still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad
file system). So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only
220GB available how do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it.
When I said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to
immediately delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the
trash can.
Have you tried using a disk usage analyzer utility like DaisyDisk or
GrandPerspective to see where the space is used?
No I've never heard of those. Can't disk utility tell me? If not I
will look for those.
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time
Machine backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough
room only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups
that I didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new
MacBook a few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups
(over 1.8M files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the
new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they
take 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I
look at GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left
out of 800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility
and it took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought
maybe it still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad
file system). So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only
220GB available how do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it.
When I said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to
immediately delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the
trash can.
Have you tried using a disk usage analyzer utility like DaisyDisk or
GrandPerspective to see where the space is used?
No I've never heard of those. Can't disk utility tell me? If not IBoth of them will show where space is used on the volume. Download one
will look for those.
of them and take a look. GrandPerspective is free.
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On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 5:05:01 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time
Machine backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough
room only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups
that I didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new
MacBook a few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups
(over 1.8M files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the
new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they
take 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I
look at GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left
out of 800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility
and it took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought
maybe it still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad
file system). So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only
220GB available how do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it.
When I said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to
immediately delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the
trash can.
Have you tried using a disk usage analyzer utility like DaisyDisk or
GrandPerspective to see where the space is used?
No I've never heard of those. Can't disk utility tell me? If not IBoth of them will show where space is used on the volume. Download one
will look for those.
of them and take a look. GrandPerspective is free.
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JRThank you I will try that tomorrow meanwhile I did "calculate sizes" on the other portable disk and it does the same thing! Finder says it has 353GB but GetInfo says it has 755GB. :(
I even looked up how to see hidden files in Finder but there was only about 1GB and its already in the 353GB so that doesn't explain it.
I got a new Macbook a few months ago did Apple change their file systems and maybe that confused the TM disks?
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-8, Connor Shannon wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 5:05:01 PM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-8, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-01-29, Connor Shannon <cshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:15:54 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote: >> >> On 2023-01-29 00:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time
Machine backups I move them from one computer to another.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough
room only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups
that I didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new >> >> > MacBook a few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups
(over 1.8M files!!!). It took hours.
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the >> >> > new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they >> >> > take 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I >> >> > look at GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GB left >> >> > out of 800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility >> >> > and it took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought
maybe it still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad
file system). So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only
220GB available how do I make it know there's 420GB?
Did you "empty" the trash with that drive mounted?
I thought of that but the trash can didn't have anything in it.
When I said to delete the backup the Mac asked if I wanted to
immediately delete it and I said yes, so it never went into the
trash can.
Have you tried using a disk usage analyzer utility like DaisyDisk or >> GrandPerspective to see where the space is used?
No I've never heard of those. Can't disk utility tell me? If not I will look for those.Both of them will show where space is used on the volume. Download one of them and take a look. GrandPerspective is free.
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JRThank you I will try that tomorrow meanwhile I did "calculate sizes" on the other portable disk and it does the same thing! Finder says it has 353GB but GetInfo says it has 755GB. :(
I even looked up how to see hidden files in Finder but there was only about 1GB and its already in the 353GB so that doesn't explain it.
I got a new Macbook a few months ago did Apple change their file systems and maybe that confused the TM disks?p.s. Both of the disks have other partitions and GetInfo and Finder agree how much space those use its just the TM partitions that are confused.
Okay I ran Grand Perspective on one of the portable drives. The TM partition is 1.5TB and the Backups folder only says 353 GB but Get Info says that 756TB is used. Grand Perspective mostly just has a bunch of colored boxes but I found a Info icon andit says "Size of scanned files 310GB Miscellenaous used space 392GB." So maybe that 392GB is whats making GetInfo think the disk doesn't have as much free space??
I found this in GP help but I still don't know if that's what's making Get Info confused:
Miscellaneous used space: All used space that is not accounted for by the size of the scanned files. This includes the following:
Files that were not scanned, either because the scanned folder was not at the root of the volume, or the user did not have permissions to access all subfolders.
Files that are excluded by the filter (if any).
Disk space that is not accounted for because the Logical file size measure is used, which underestimates the space that files actually take up.
Low-level file system data, needed to store amongst others the folder hierarchy.
Does any body know if Time Machine goes by what Finder says or what Get Info says? If Get Info doesn't matter then I'll stop worrying about it being wrong. Thank you.
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Connor Shannon wrote:it says "Size of scanned files 310GB Miscellenaous used space 392GB." So maybe that 392GB is whats making GetInfo think the disk doesn't have as much free space??
<big snip>
Okay I ran Grand Perspective on one of the portable drives. The TM partition is 1.5TB and the Backups folder only says 353 GB but Get Info says that 756TB is used. Grand Perspective mostly just has a bunch of colored boxes but I found a Info icon and
I found this in GP help but I still don't know if that's what's making Get Info confused:
Miscellaneous used space: All used space that is not accounted for by the size of the scanned files. This includes the following:
Files that were not scanned, either because the scanned folder was not at the root of the volume, or the user did not have permissions to access all subfolders.
Files that are excluded by the filter (if any).
Disk space that is not accounted for because the Logical file size measure is used, which underestimates the space that files actually take up.
Low-level file system data, needed to store amongst others the folder hierarchy.
Does any body know if Time Machine goes by what Finder says or what Get Info says? If Get Info doesn't matter then I'll stop worrying about it being wrong. Thank you.Opened everything I could think of to look at how my TM volumes (on 2 external drives) "look" storage/availability wise.
All of them report the same as command line does (df or df -h)[1]
(To be sure, many of the utilities use "df" internally one way or
another); all of them report the same as disk utility (app) (same reason).
Also consistent with Finder "available" report ('cause it all comes from
the same place).
One 6TB drive (with TM and other files) has a negligible 30MB of
"purgeable" space on it.
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On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:56:17 AM UTC-8, Alan Browne wrote:it says "Size of scanned files 310GB Miscellenaous used space 392GB." So maybe that 392GB is whats making GetInfo think the disk doesn't have as much free space??
On 2023-01-31 11:31, Connor Shannon wrote:
<big snip>
Okay I ran Grand Perspective on one of the portable drives. The TM partition is 1.5TB and the Backups folder only says 353 GB but Get Info says that 756TB is used. Grand Perspective mostly just has a bunch of colored boxes but I found a Info icon and
Opened everything I could think of to look at how my TM volumes (on 2
I found this in GP help but I still don't know if that's what's making Get Info confused:
Miscellaneous used space: All used space that is not accounted for by the size of the scanned files. This includes the following:
Files that were not scanned, either because the scanned folder was not at the root of the volume, or the user did not have permissions to access all subfolders.
Files that are excluded by the filter (if any).
Disk space that is not accounted for because the Logical file size measure is used, which underestimates the space that files actually take up.
Low-level file system data, needed to store amongst others the folder hierarchy.
Does any body know if Time Machine goes by what Finder says or what Get Info says? If Get Info doesn't matter then I'll stop worrying about it being wrong. Thank you.
external drives) "look" storage/availability wise.
All of them report the same as command line does (df or df -h)[1]
(To be sure, many of the utilities use "df" internally one way or
another); all of them report the same as disk utility (app) (same reason). >>
Also consistent with Finder "available" report ('cause it all comes from
the same place).
One 6TB drive (with TM and other files) has a negligible 30MB of
"purgeable" space on it.
[1] careful of units, whether Ti/Gi (1024 base) or in 512 byte block counts. >> --
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee
Thank you Alan not sure I want to mess around with terminal.
What do you think of my idea that Time Machine got confused when I got a new Mac b'cuz some of the backups are from an older file system?
I guess I'll just keep going and hope that Finder is right about how much space there is.
Hi I have a couple of portable drives that I use for Time Machine backups I move them from one computer to another.over 1.8M files!!!). It took hours.
One of the drives couldn't back up b'cuz there wasn't enough room only 40GB, I realized that it had my old macBook backups that I didn't need any more b'cuz everything got move to my new MacBook a few months ago. So I deleted all the old MB backups (
Anyway, now there are only two folders on the backup one for the new Macbook and one for my big Mac. The backup drive says they take 380GB total when I look at the drive in Finder. But when I look at GetInfo it says the drive has 580GB with only 220GBleft out of 800GB. But there should be 420GB free. I ran DiskUtility and it took a long time but said the disk was fine. I thought maybe it still thought a lot of the old files were on it (bad file system). So I don't know why GetInfo thinks theres only
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