After I upgraded to Ventura, I began having Finder problems. Favorites
would disappear from Finder sidebars. (That has happened before Ventura,
but the following are new to me.)
I'm likely to keep several Finder windows open, and sometimes one or
more will jump to the highest level, labeled "Burns mini."
On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable to find anything in
Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder window for documents wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting restored operation.
Disk First Aid says everything's fine. Cycling through Safe Start didn't prevent recurrence.
Any advice?
On Mar 13, 2023 at 5:08:13 PM PDT, "J Burns" <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
After I upgraded to Ventura, I began having Finder problems. Favorites
would disappear from Finder sidebars. (That has happened before Ventura,
but the following are new to me.)
I'm likely to keep several Finder windows open, and sometimes one or
more will jump to the highest level, labeled "Burns mini."
On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable to find anything in
Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder window for documents
wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting restored operation.
Disk First Aid says everything's fine. Cycling through Safe Start didn't
prevent recurrence.
Any advice?
Generic: Reinstall the OS.
On Mar 13, 2023 at 5:08:13 PM PDT, "J Burns" <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
After I upgraded to Ventura, I began having Finder problems. Favorites
would disappear from Finder sidebars. (That has happened before Ventura,
but the following are new to me.)
I'm likely to keep several Finder windows open, and sometimes one or
more will jump to the highest level, labeled "Burns mini."
On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable to find anything in
Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder window for documents
wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting restored operation.
Disk First Aid says everything's fine. Cycling through Safe Start didn't
prevent recurrence.
Any advice?
Generic: Reinstall the OS.
After I upgraded to Ventura, I began having Finder problems. Favorites
would disappear from Finder sidebars. (That has happened before Ventura,
but the following are new to me.)
I'm likely to keep several Finder windows open, and sometimes one or
more will jump to the highest level, labeled "Burns mini."
On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable to find anything in
Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder window for documents wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting restored operation.
Disk First Aid says everything's fine. Cycling through Safe Start didn't prevent recurrence.
Any advice?
On Mar 13, 2023 at 5:08:13 PM PDT, "J Burns" <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
After I upgraded to Ventura, I began having Finder problems. Favorites
would disappear from Finder sidebars. (That has happened before Ventura,
but the following are new to me.)
I'm likely to keep several Finder windows open, and sometimes one or
more will jump to the highest level, labeled "Burns mini."
On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable to find anything in
Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder window for documents
wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting restored operation.
Disk First Aid says everything's fine. Cycling through Safe Start didn't
prevent recurrence.
Any advice?
Generic: Reinstall the OS.
On 2023-03-13 20:08, J Burns wrote:
After I upgraded to Ventura, I began having Finder problems. Favorites
would disappear from Finder sidebars. (That has happened before Ventura,
but the following are new to me.)
I'm likely to keep several Finder windows open, and sometimes one or
more will jump to the highest level, labeled "Burns mini."
On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable to find anything in
Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder window for documents
wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting restored operation.
Disk First Aid says everything's fine. Cycling through Safe Start didn't
prevent recurrence.
Any advice?
First off,
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchlp2962/mac
and then possibly:
Re-build the spotlight index might help: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201716
On 2023-03-16, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
On Mar 13, 2023 at 5:08:13 PM PDT, "J Burns" <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
After I upgraded to Ventura, I began having Finder problems. Favorites
would disappear from Finder sidebars. (That has happened before Ventura, >>> but the following are new to me.)
I'm likely to keep several Finder windows open, and sometimes one or
more will jump to the highest level, labeled "Burns mini."
On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable to find anything in
Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder window for documents
wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting restored operation.
Disk First Aid says everything's fine. Cycling through Safe Start didn't >>> prevent recurrence.
Any advice?
Generic: Reinstall the OS.
This is only applicable to Intel Macs without T2
Generic: Reinstall the OS.
This is only applicable to Intel Macs without T2
WTF is T2?
The OS is always reinstallable.
In article <tuvhna$23cn1$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Generic: Reinstall the OS.
This is only applicable to Intel Macs without T2
WTF is T2?
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862>
The Apple T2 Security Chip is Apple's second-generation, custom
silicon for Mac. The T2 chip delivers capabilities to your Mac, such
as encrypted storage and secure boot capabilities, enhanced image
signal processing, and security for Touch ID data. Learn more about
hardware security in Apple devices.
The OS is always reinstallable.
true, but it doesn't always fix problems.
Am 16.03.23 um 15:47 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2023-03-13 20:08, J Burns wrote:
After I upgraded to Ventura, I began having Finder problems. Favorites
would disappear from Finder sidebars. (That has happened before Ventura, >>> but the following are new to me.)
I'm likely to keep several Finder windows open, and sometimes one or
more will jump to the highest level, labeled "Burns mini."
On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable to find anything in
Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder window for documents
wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting restored operation.
Disk First Aid says everything's fine. Cycling through Safe Start didn't >>> prevent recurrence.
Any advice?
First off,
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchlp2962/mac
Hä?
and then possibly:
Re-build the spotlight index might help:
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201716
Sorry?
Are you sure you understand the OPs problem?
On 2023-03-16 12:58, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Sorry?
Are you sure you understand the OPs problem?
I keyed on what he wrote: "On three occasions, Spotlight has been unable
to find anything in Documents. On one of those occasions, the Finder
window for documents wouldn't open. On those occasions, restarting
restored operation."
So before doing anything as drastic as an OS re-install, I'd go to
simpler steps as above (and possibly others).
Mac OS is a massive, complex beast. And often things you don't expect
to be related are related in some non-obvious or obscure way deep under
the hood. Spotlight and Finder are related functions once you go deep enough.
Another thing he could try is to Re-Launch Finder.
On 3/16/23 1:15 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-16 12:58, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Sorry?
Are you sure you understand the OPs problem?
I keyed on what he wrote: "On three occasions, Spotlight has been
unable to find anything in Documents. On one of those occasions, the
Finder window for documents wouldn't open. On those occasions,
restarting restored operation."
So before doing anything as drastic as an OS re-install, I'd go to
simpler steps as above (and possibly others).
Mac OS is a massive, complex beast. And often things you don't expect
to be related are related in some non-obvious or obscure way deep
under the hood. Spotlight and Finder are related functions once you
go deep enough.
Another thing he could try is to Re-Launch Finder.
I wanted to relaunch Finder but didn't see how to do it in Ventura.
The last time I had trouble, I could still find a document by opening
the Finder window, but Spotlight was blind to Documents. When I
restarted, Spotlight said it was indexing. It finished so fast that I
think maybe it needed to index only Documents.
Maybe I found the problem. A neighbor asked me to set up my Mac to text
with his iPhone. December 15, I installed Texty from the App Store. I
told him if he would scan the identifier (NFT?) on my screen, we'd be
all set. He said that would be too much trouble.
December 15 was about the time I started having trouble. I don't know
how Texty could mess up Finder, but I got rid of it.
1)
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
In article <_U2RL.1057236$gGD7.824172@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
1)
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch finder
seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do that to clear
the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in fact empty.
On 2023-03-17 15:35, nospam wrote:
In article <_U2RL.1057236$gGD7.824172@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
1)
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch finder
seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do that to clear
the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in fact empty.
On 2023-03-17 14:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-17 15:35, nospam wrote:
In article <_U2RL.1057236$gGD7.824172@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
1)
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch
finder seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do that
to clear the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in fact empty.
It's the same thing.
The "context" click with a Mac can be achieved with:
Right-click on a two(or more)-button mouse.
Two-finger click on a trackpad (if it's been turned on)
Control-click with a one-button mouse or with one finger on a trackpad.
The Dock specifically also responds to click-and-hold.
In article <W85RL.1105110$Tcw8.505340@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch finder
seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do that to clear
the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in fact empty.
it's not unique to finder relaunching.
control-click, two-finger press and secondary-button click (aka
right-click), are different ways to get a contextual menu, which in
this case, adds the relaunch option.
On 2023-03-17 17:58, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-17 14:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-17 15:35, nospam wrote:
In article <_U2RL.1057236$gGD7.824172@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
1)
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch
finder seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do
that to clear the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in fact
empty.
It's the same thing.
The "context" click with a Mac can be achieved with:
Right-click on a two(or more)-button mouse.
Two-finger click on a trackpad (if it's been turned on)
Control-click with a one-button mouse or with one finger on a trackpad.
The Dock specifically also responds to click-and-hold.
In short, where for most apps where such accesses the sometimes useful
"Force Quit" in Finder it's "Relaunch".
On 2023-03-17 18:14, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-17 15:05, Alan Browne wrote:
Correct, because macOS is (accurately) letting you know that it won't
allow you to leave the Finder not running
You can run Mac OS with Finder stopped. There's no great reason to do
so. But you can. (At least you could back when I did it - Leopard?).
They "relaunch" it so that people won't have to then figure out how to
get it going again ...
IIRC the one who pointed this out was Jolly Roger.
In short, where for most apps where such accesses the sometimes useful "Force Quit" in Finder it's "Relaunch".
Correct, because macOS is (accurately) letting you know that it won't
allow you to leave the Finder not running
On 2023-03-17 15:05, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-17 17:58, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-17 14:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-17 15:35, nospam wrote:
In article <_U2RL.1057236$gGD7.824172@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
1)
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock >>>>>> Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch
finder seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do
that to clear the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in fact
empty.
It's the same thing.
The "context" click with a Mac can be achieved with:
Right-click on a two(or more)-button mouse.
Two-finger click on a trackpad (if it's been turned on)
Control-click with a one-button mouse or with one finger on a trackpad.
The Dock specifically also responds to click-and-hold.
In short, where for most apps where such accesses the sometimes useful
"Force Quit" in Finder it's "Relaunch".
Correct, because macOS is (accurately) letting you know that it won't
allow you to leave the Finder not running
On 2023-03-17 18:14, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-17 15:05, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-17 17:58, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-17 14:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-17 15:35, nospam wrote:
In article <_U2RL.1057236$gGD7.824172@fx11.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
1)
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock >>>>>>> Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch
finder seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do
that to clear the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in
fact empty.
It's the same thing.
The "context" click with a Mac can be achieved with:
Right-click on a two(or more)-button mouse.
Two-finger click on a trackpad (if it's been turned on)
Control-click with a one-button mouse or with one finger on a trackpad. >>>>
The Dock specifically also responds to click-and-hold.
In short, where for most apps where such accesses the sometimes
useful "Force Quit" in Finder it's "Relaunch".
Correct, because macOS is (accurately) letting you know that it won't
allow you to leave the Finder not running
You can run Mac OS with Finder stopped.
There's no great reason to do
so. But you can. (At least you could back when I did it - Leopard?).
They "relaunch" it so that people won't have to then figure out how to
get it going again ...
IIRC the one who pointed this out was Jolly Roger.
On 2023-03-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-17 18:14, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-17 15:05, Alan Browne wrote:
Correct, because macOS is (accurately) letting you know that it won't
allow you to leave the Finder not running
You can run Mac OS with Finder stopped. There's no great reason to do
so. But you can. (At least you could back when I did it - Leopard?).
They "relaunch" it so that people won't have to then figure out how to
get it going again ...
IIRC the one who pointed this out was Jolly Roger.
Last I checked, the most common reason for running without Finder was
while using an alternative file browser such as Path Finder:
<https://www.cocoatech.io>
On 2023-03-17 19:02, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-03-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-17 18:14, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-17 15:05, Alan Browne wrote:
Correct, because macOS is (accurately) letting you know that it
won't allow you to leave the Finder not running
You can run Mac OS with Finder stopped. There's no great reason to
do so. But you can. (At least you could back when I did it -
Leopard?). They "relaunch" it so that people won't have to then
figure out how to get it going again ...
IIRC the one who pointed this out was Jolly Roger.
Last I checked, the most common reason for running without Finder was
while using an alternative file browser such as Path Finder:
<https://www.cocoatech.io>
Looks pretty powerful. I'm not a fan of rental ware, but when I get
my new iMac I might try this.
In article <W85RL.1105110$Tcw8.505340@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch finder
seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do that to clear
the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in fact empty.
it's not unique to finder relaunching.
control-click, two-finger press and secondary-button click (aka
right-click), are different ways to get a contextual menu, which in
this case, adds the relaunch option.
note that the primary and secondary buttons can be reversed for
left-handed users, in which case it would be a left-click for a
contextual menu, and the trackpad also has options, such as tapping in
the corner.
They do have a special 1-year license, and even with a subscription the latest version of the subscription continues to run even if you cancel
the subscription.
Am 17.03.23 um 23:01 schrieb nospam:
In article <W85RL.1105110$Tcw8.505340@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
- hold down the option key
- right click (two finger touch on trackpads) on Finder in the dock
Relaunch will be the bottom of the popup list
control-option-click on finder dock icon is easier.
Didn't know that one. IAC the occasions that I have to relaunch finder
seem rarer and rarer as the OS marches on. Really only do that to clear >>> the Trash "something in there" icon when it is in fact empty.
it's not unique to finder relaunching.
control-click, two-finger press and secondary-button click (aka
right-click), are different ways to get a contextual menu, which in
this case, adds the relaunch option.
note that the primary and secondary buttons can be reversed for
left-handed users, in which case it would be a left-click for a
contextual menu, and the trackpad also has options, such as tapping in
the corner.
If it is necessary I use Force Quit because the Finder restarts
immediately.
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