• Does anyone here use those tiny USB flash (stick/drive/media)s for macO

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 9 17:00:09 2023
    Hello,

    Does anyone here use those tiny USB flash (stick/drive/media)s for macOS' Time Machine?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ant@zimage.comANT on Sun Apr 9 13:06:26 2023
    In article <LZKdndEZT5mEcq_5nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Does anyone here use those tiny USB flash (stick/drive/media)s for macOS' Time Machine?

    doubtful.

    although it will work, it's not recommended because the capacities are
    small and they're less reliable than an actual ssd/hd

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  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Apr 9 20:41:57 2023
    On 2023-04-09, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <LZKdndEZT5mEcq_5nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@earthlink.com>, Ant
    <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Does anyone here use those tiny USB flash (stick/drive/media)s for macOS'
    Time Machine?

    doubtful.

    although it will work, it's not recommended because the capacities are
    small and they're less reliable than an actual ssd/hd

    I use one for the weekly backup of my Raspberry Pi, but I would never
    consider doing that on my Mac.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 9 22:48:07 2023
    Am 09.04.23 um 19:00 schrieb Ant:
    Hello,

    Does anyone here use those tiny USB flash (stick/drive/media)s for macOS' Time Machine?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    Still no mercy?!

    All sorts of USB-sticks are inherently cheap stuff and very unreliable.
    In addition they experience an enormous thermal stress when really used.
    That kills them sooner or later.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Apr 9 21:56:36 2023
    On 2023-04-09, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Hello,

    Does anyone here use those tiny USB flash (stick/drive/media)s for
    macOS' Time Machine?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    No. That's a horrible idea. They are extremely unreliable compared to a spinning hard drive.

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  • From Wade Garrett@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Apr 10 07:41:23 2023
    On 4/9/23 5:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-09, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Hello,

    Does anyone here use those tiny USB flash (stick/drive/media)s for
    macOS' Time Machine?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    No. That's a horrible idea. They are extremely unreliable compared to a spinning hard drive.


    Why spinners and not an SSD?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Wade Garrett on Mon Apr 10 16:10:17 2023
    On 2023-04-10, Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
    On 4/9/23 5:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-09, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Hello,

    Does anyone here use those tiny USB flash (stick/drive/media)s for
    macOS' Time Machine?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    No. That's a horrible idea. They are extremely unreliable compared to
    a spinning hard drive.

    Why spinners and not an SSD?

    To each his own, but SSDs are generally more expensive per terabyte. And
    backup processes run in the background where speed isn't a general
    concern. So that extra cost isn't really getting you nearly as much bang
    for the buck as using an SSD as a boot drive would.

    Personally, I back up all of my computers to network-attached storage
    (NAS) with a bunch of hard drives in a RAID, where if a drive fails I
    can just replace the drive and go on with life with no worry about
    losing access to my data.

    But a USB stick is one of the worst choices for backups due to their
    typical low speed, small capacities, and horrible reliability.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Mon Apr 10 19:02:04 2023
    In article
    <0001HW.29E4C54A0003BAC2700000AC32EF@reader.eternal-september.org>,
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have to listen to the noise generated by spinners.

    what noise?

    portable drives (2.5" mechanism) and 5400 rpm desktop drives (3.5"
    mechanism) are not noisy.

    At least with the old external
    Maxtor spinners I used to use, maybe some other brands are fairly quiet.

    a lot has changed since then.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Apr 10 17:29:30 2023
    On Apr 10, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
    (in article <k9iqn8Flc2kU1@mid.individual.net>):

    To each his own, but SSDs are generally more expensive per terabyte. And backup processes run in the background where speed isn't a general
    concern. So that extra cost isn't really getting you nearly as much bang
    for the buck as using an SSD as a boot drive would.

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have to
    listen to the noise generated by spinners. At least with the old external Maxtor spinners I used to use, maybe some other brands are fairly quiet.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 10 19:47:16 2023
    On 2023-04-10 18:29, super70s wrote:

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have to listen to the noise generated by spinners.

    Have a USB powered 2.5" HDD 1 TB external for my SO's backup disk.

    Silent.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Apr 11 00:31:37 2023
    On 2023-04-11, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-04-10, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    On Apr 10, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
    (in article <k9iqn8Flc2kU1@mid.individual.net>):

    To each his own, but SSDs are generally more expensive per terabyte.
    And backup processes run in the background where speed isn't a
    general concern. So that extra cost isn't really getting you nearly
    as much bang for the buck as using an SSD as a boot drive would.

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have
    to listen to the noise generated by spinners. At least with the old
    external Maxtor spinners I used to use, maybe some other brands are
    fairly quiet.

    Backup drives you can get cheaply today don't make noise like that
    anymore. You can pick up a 2TB portable external backup drive from
    Amazon for ~$60 today, whereas a reputable brand 2TB SSD will run you
    over $100. Or a 4TB external hard drive will run ~$100, while a 4TB
    SSD will run $220-250.

    There is one benefit of using an SSD that is pretty valid though: no
    moving parts. If you introduce physical shock (bumping it the wrong way
    or dropping it, for instance) to a hard drive, you could crash the
    drive. That can't happen with an SSD.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Tue Apr 11 00:29:36 2023
    On 2023-04-10, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    On Apr 10, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
    (in article <k9iqn8Flc2kU1@mid.individual.net>):

    To each his own, but SSDs are generally more expensive per terabyte.
    And backup processes run in the background where speed isn't a
    general concern. So that extra cost isn't really getting you nearly
    as much bang for the buck as using an SSD as a boot drive would.

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have
    to listen to the noise generated by spinners. At least with the old
    external Maxtor spinners I used to use, maybe some other brands are
    fairly quiet.

    Backup drives you can get cheaply today don't make noise like that
    anymore. You can pick up a 2TB portable external backup drive from
    Amazon for ~$60 today, whereas a reputable brand 2TB SSD will run you
    over $100. Or a 4TB external hard drive will run ~$100, while a 4TB SSD
    will run $220-250.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Tue Apr 11 10:25:57 2023
    On 2023-04-10 16:47, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-04-10 18:29, super70s wrote:

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have to
    listen to the noise generated by spinners.

    Have a USB powered 2.5" HDD 1 TB external for my SO's backup disk.

    Silent.


    I can second that.

    I have two USB powered HDDs I rotate for backup and neither makes any discernible noise.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Apr 11 13:23:48 2023
    On 2023-04-10 20:31, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-11, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-04-10, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    On Apr 10, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
    (in article <k9iqn8Flc2kU1@mid.individual.net>):

    To each his own, but SSDs are generally more expensive per terabyte.
    And backup processes run in the background where speed isn't a
    general concern. So that extra cost isn't really getting you nearly
    as much bang for the buck as using an SSD as a boot drive would.

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have
    to listen to the noise generated by spinners. At least with the old
    external Maxtor spinners I used to use, maybe some other brands are
    fairly quiet.

    Backup drives you can get cheaply today don't make noise like that
    anymore. You can pick up a 2TB portable external backup drive from
    Amazon for ~$60 today, whereas a reputable brand 2TB SSD will run you
    over $100. Or a 4TB external hard drive will run ~$100, while a 4TB
    SSD will run $220-250.

    There is one benefit of using an SSD that is pretty valid though: no
    moving parts. If you introduce physical shock (bumping it the wrong way
    or dropping it, for instance) to a hard drive, you could crash the
    drive. That can't happen with an SSD.

    2.5" drives usually have "fall detection" which retracts the head to a
    safely parked position that can withstand quite a shock. (And when
    unpowered, that is where the head is parked)

    Many years ago (90's) I dropped a 3.5" drive onto the floor while doing
    an install and assumed the drive would be toast. It went on for many
    years of reliable main drive use on that Windows machine.

    In my old digs I wrote s/w for flight data recorders (for engineering
    purposes for various airborne sensors (radar, GPS, etc.)) and some of
    them used HDD's from the late 80s to early 90's. Never had a dropped
    bit (that was detected, anyway - used pretty basic checksums /
    reasonableness checking).

    I agree that SSDs should be more immune to shock than HDDs but HDDs are
    still remarkably robust.

    Example HDD - Seagate Barracuda - (2007).
    Operational shock 68g / 2ms.
    Non-op shock: 300g / 11 ms.

    2ms is a narrow shock band. (For reference military and commercial
    avionics are usually qualified in a 11ms shock period - and to far less
    shock than above) - OTOH, the vibration requirement is probably too hard
    on an unprotected HDD to survive 1000's of hours. Esp. if machine gun
    fire is included in the platform spec. (equipoment could be mounted on vibration mounts - but that does have its limits).

    https://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%207200.10/100402371f.pdf

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Apr 11 14:19:10 2023
    On 2023-04-11 17:25:57 +0000, Alan said:

    On 2023-04-10 16:47, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-04-10 18:29, super70s wrote:

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have to
    listen to the noise generated by spinners.

    Have a USB powered 2.5" HDD 1 TB external for my SO's backup disk.

    Silent.


    I can second that.

    I have two USB powered HDDs I rotate for backup and neither makes any discernible noise.

    OK I sort of abandoned my noisy spinners which were pretty old a while
    ago in favor of SSDs and never looked back.

    Maybe I can also put forth the SSD advantage of the small footprint on
    your desk, my two SSDs only take up 2 1/2" x 3 1/2" of space (stacked).

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 11 17:42:00 2023
    On 2023-04-11 15:19, super70s wrote:
    On 2023-04-11 17:25:57 +0000, Alan said:

    On 2023-04-10 16:47, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-04-10 18:29, super70s wrote:

    As far as external hard drives go SSDs are worth it just to not have to >>>> listen to the noise generated by spinners.

    Have a USB powered 2.5" HDD 1 TB external for my SO's backup disk.

    Silent.


    I can second that.

    I have two USB powered HDDs I rotate for backup and neither makes any
    discernible noise.

    OK I sort of abandoned my noisy spinners which were pretty old a while
    ago in favor of SSDs and never looked back.

    Maybe I can also put forth the SSD advantage of the small footprint on
    your desk, my two SSDs only take up 2 1/2" x 3 1/2" of space (stacked).

    Encased 2.5" HDD's : 2.4" x 3.5" x 0.45" - in my SO's case they fit in
    a slot in her antique desk.

    Lots more storage / $. Quiet. Rather: silent.

    My external storage is disk caddies on the corner of my desk sporting
    3.5" drives. I rotate these out monthish-ly.
    (Also quiet).

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