• Re: It's a boy!

    From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Wed Nov 8 00:01:28 2023
    On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
    no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

    Neglected to mention:

    Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
    Sonoma (14.x). 13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.

    So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...

    Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.

    Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
    info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).

    This is not right.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 8 06:36:55 2023
    Am 08.11.23 um 06:01 schrieb Alan Browne:
    On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
    "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
    no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more... >>
    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

    Neglected to mention:

    Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
    Sonoma (14.x). 13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.

    So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...

    Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.

    Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
    info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).

    This is not right.

    Why do you think this is of interest to anybody?
    Thousands of similar machines are sold every day by Apple.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 8 09:42:38 2023
    On 2023-11-08 00:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 08.11.23 um 06:01 schrieb Alan Browne:
    On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called >>> "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
    no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

    Neglected to mention:

    Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
    Sonoma (14.x).  13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.
    So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...

    Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.

    Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
    info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).

    This is not right.

    Why do you think this is of interest to anybody?
    Thousands of similar machines are sold every day by Apple.

    Tell me what other parades you piss on?

    This is a Mac group. It is interesting that a recently shipped new
    model Mac is still on "last year's" OS.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to gtr on Wed Nov 8 09:42:50 2023
    On 2023-11-08 03:00, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 7, 2023 at 9:01:28 PM PST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called >>> "pink". Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
    no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more... >>>
    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

    Neglected to mention:

    Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
    Sonoma (14.x). 13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.

    So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...

    Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.

    Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
    info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).

    This is not right.

    May have to wait a bit on Sonoma:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/07/14-inch-macbook-pro-m3-macos-sonoma-update-issue/

    I have it on Ethernet as it is my desktop unit.

    It did not update overnight as set - no idea why. I updated it this am
    with no issues. (14.1.1).

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Wed Nov 8 18:32:25 2023
    On 08.11.23 15:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 00:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    Why do you think this is of interest to anybody?
    Thousands of similar machines are sold every day by Apple.

    Tell me what other parades you piss on?

    This is a Mac group. It is interesting that a recently shipped new
    model Mac is still on "last year's" OS.

    That *is always the case*. What do you think? They produce all machines
    for the global pipeline one day before presentation?

    --
    De gustibus non est disputandum

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 8 13:55:09 2023
    On 2023-11-08 12:32, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    On 08.11.23 15:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 00:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    Why do you think this is of interest to anybody?
    Thousands of similar machines are sold every day by Apple.

    Tell me what other parades you piss on?

    This is a Mac group. It is interesting that a recently shipped new
    model Mac is still on "last year's" OS.

    That *is always the case*. What do you think? They produce all machines
    for the global pipeline one day before presentation?

    That's what I was thinking too. That said, newsgroups are for
    discussion - not your griping.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 8 08:00:34 2023
    On Nov 7, 2023 at 9:01:28 PM PST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
    "pink". Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
    no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more... >>
    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

    Neglected to mention:

    Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
    Sonoma (14.x). 13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.

    So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...

    Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.

    Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
    info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).

    This is not right.

    May have to wait a bit on Sonoma:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/07/14-inch-macbook-pro-m3-macos-sonoma-update-issue/

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  • From Capt'n Butler@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Wed Nov 8 11:16:27 2023
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
    no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?

    --
    I've reached the age where falling asleep on the couch has nothing to do
    with coming home drunk

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Capt'n Butler on Thu Nov 9 04:42:33 2023
    On 2023-11-08, Capt'n Butler <rhett@tara.net> wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?

    I had the same reaction. There's not much to dislike. It's generally an excellent way to transfer your data from one Mac to another.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Nov 9 07:17:21 2023
    On Nov 8, 2023 at 8:42:33 PM PST, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-08, Capt'n Butler <rhett@tara.net> wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink". Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?

    I had the same reaction. There's not much to dislike. It's generally an excellent way to transfer your data from one Mac to another.

    It's a dream. I love it.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 7 23:51:03 2023
    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called "pink". Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
    no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Capt'n Butler on Thu Nov 9 17:42:44 2023
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
    no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).

    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
    re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
    as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
    terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
    over the weekend once I figure it out...

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Thu Nov 9 17:34:39 2023
    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).

    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
    re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for work
    as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
    over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
    and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then year.'

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  • From Capt'n Butler@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Fri Nov 10 09:50:54 2023
    On 11/9/23 5:42 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).

    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
    re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for work
    as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
    over the weekend once I figure it out...

    Well that is a snoot full :-)

    --
    When did Western society decide that instead of helping mentally ill
    people, we should indulge their delusions 100% and allow them to set
    policy for the rest of us?

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 10 20:02:15 2023
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink". Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).

    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
    re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
    as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
    keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
    terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
    over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
    and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found it had
    no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 10 16:13:38 2023
    On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or >>>>>> more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).

    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over, >>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for work >>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one >>>> keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird >>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it >>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
    and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
    year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
    it had
    no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

    Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the width
    of the date column in the Finder?

    Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
    represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and month
    as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

    ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
    required the short format.

    What OS are you using?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to gtr on Fri Nov 10 12:34:29 2023
    On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink". Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).

    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
    re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
    as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
    keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
    terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
    over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
    and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found it had no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

    Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the width
    of the date column in the Finder?

    Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
    represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and month
    as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

    ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
    required the short format.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Fri Nov 10 13:52:45 2023
    On 2023-11-10 13:13, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is >>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or >>>>>>> more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s). >>>>>
    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over, >>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for
    work
    as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one >>>>> keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird >>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it >>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
    and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
    year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
    it had
    no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

    Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
    width of the date column in the Finder?

    Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
    represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
    month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

    ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
    required the short format.

    What OS are you using?




    Monterey.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 10 16:40:54 2023
    On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
    called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or >>>>>> more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).

    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over, >>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for work >>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one >>>> keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird >>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it >>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
    and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
    year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
    it had
    no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

    Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the width
    of the date column in the Finder?

    Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
    represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and month
    as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

    ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
    required the short format.

    Which is stupid (not you, the setting).

    So

    If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.

    If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10 .... w/o time of day.


    On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).

    Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
    have bookmarked it or copied it ....

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Fri Nov 10 13:53:20 2023
    On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is >>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
    manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or >>>>>>> more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s). >>>>>
    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over, >>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for
    work
    as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
    monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
    Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one >>>>> keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird >>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it >>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
    and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
    year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
    it had
    no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

    Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
    width of the date column in the Finder?

    Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
    represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
    month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

    ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
    required the short format.

    Which is stupid (not you, the setting).

    So

    If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.

    If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10   .... w/o time of day.


    On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).

    Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
    have bookmarked it or copied it ....


    Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 10 18:23:19 2023
    On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is >>>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all >>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or >>>>>>>> more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s). >>>>>>
    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move
    over,
    re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for >>>>>> work
    as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4 >>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen >>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on >>>>>> one
    keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird >>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it >>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time >>>>> and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
    year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
    found it had
    no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

    Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
    width of the date column in the Finder?

    Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
    represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
    month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

    ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
    required the short format.

    Which is stupid (not you, the setting).

    So

    If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.

    If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10   .... w/o time of day.


    On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).

    Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
    have bookmarked it or copied it ....


    Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...


    All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.

    [AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
    (under "Advanced") is gone. No more. Vanished.

    So, Mojave: (With all the fine options): https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw


    Sonoma (And I believe Ventura): No "Advanced" button to get at the
    finer selections (above AAA). https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Fri Nov 10 19:34:58 2023
    On 2023-11-10 15:23, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is >>>>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all >>>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade >>>>>>>>> - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s). >>>>>>>
    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move >>>>>>> over,
    re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it
    for work
    as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4 >>>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen >>>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay
    on one
    keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
    preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some >>>>>>> weird
    terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get >>>>>>> to it
    over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time >>>>>> and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then >>>>>> year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
    found it had
    no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

    Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
    width of the date column in the Finder?

    Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
    represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
    month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

    ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
    required the short format.

    Which is stupid (not you, the setting).

    So

    If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.

    If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10   .... w/o time of day. >>>

    On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and
    time).

    Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example -
    should have bookmarked it or copied it ....


    Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...


    All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.

    [AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
    (under "Advanced") is gone.  No more.  Vanished.

    So, Mojave: (With all the fine options): https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw


    Sonoma (And I believe Ventura):  No "Advanced" button to get at the
    finer selections (above AAA). https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix


    Well that makes no sense at all.

    It's only showing you one date format, but the Finder isn't adopting it?

    Have you force-quit the Finder (i.e. right-click "Relaunch")

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Nov 11 07:19:47 2023
    On 2023-11-10 22:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 15:23, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
    On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
    On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
    On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is >>>>>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.

    Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

    Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all >>>>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)

    Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade >>>>>>>>>> - or
    more...

    [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]


    What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?


    I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1
    Gb/s).

    IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move >>>>>>>> over,
    re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it >>>>>>>> for work
    as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4 >>>>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen >>>>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay >>>>>>>> on one
    keyboard, trackpad...

    One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time >>>>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
    ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

    The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some >>>>>>>> weird
    terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get >>>>>>>> to it
    over the weekend once I figure it out...


    You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your >>>>>>> time
    and date formats?

    I find that highly doubtful.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

    'To customize formats, do any of the following:

    Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month,
    then year.'

    Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
    found it had
    no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

    Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
    width of the date column in the Finder?

    Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
    represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
    month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

    ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width
    that required the short format.

    Which is stupid (not you, the setting).

    So

    If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.

    If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10   .... w/o time of day. >>>>

    On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and
    time).

    Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example -
    should have bookmarked it or copied it ....


    Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...


    All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.

    [AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
    (under "Advanced") is gone.  No more.  Vanished.

    So, Mojave: (With all the fine options):
    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw


    Sonoma (And I believe Ventura):  No "Advanced" button to get at the
    finer selections (above AAA).
    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix


    Well that makes no sense at all.

    It's only showing you one date format, but the Finder isn't adopting it?

    Have you force-quit the Finder (i.e. right-click "Relaunch")

    You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
    fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
    as mentioned above.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Sat Nov 11 16:30:26 2023
    On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:

    You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
    fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
    as mentioned above.

    It really sucks that Apple sees fit to just remove functionality like
    this without explanation.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Nov 11 11:48:39 2023
    On 2023-11-11 11:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:

    You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
    fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
    as mentioned above.

    It really sucks that Apple sees fit to just remove functionality like
    this without explanation.

    Especially since the underlying capability is still there - via issuing commands in terminal - but they stripped out the setting UI. Maybe they
    gave someone two weeks notice and he slipped this in ....

    Anyway I (and others) have sent "bug" reports requesting it be restored.

    My workaround also doesn't survive a re-boot, so I'll have to make it
    into a script that execs on login... delays, delays ...

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Sat Nov 11 23:02:48 2023
    On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
    On 2023-11-11 11:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:

    You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
    fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
    as mentioned above.

    It really sucks that Apple sees fit to just remove functionality like
    this without explanation.

    Especially since the underlying capability is still there - via issuing commands in terminal - but they stripped out the setting UI. Maybe they
    gave someone two weeks notice and he slipped this in ....

    More like they often decide to redesign a user interface, and simply
    don't bother to re-implement deep features in the new UI.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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