• MS Excel (intel) on M3

    From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 16:34:53 2023
    Used my 2019 installer to install MS Office on my M3 Mac.

    Smooth install and the app appears to run flawlessly (cringing at all
    the updates that are about to come ...).

    There is a license issue, so I have to see how to get the license "off"
    of the i7 iMac and onto this one. There is download of a license
    uninstaller, but I want to understand the process well before leaping.

    There's also a registration key, so may look for a way to get that "in"
    and de-register that from the other Mac.




    Haven't tried Word yet, but expect it to be smooth.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Mon Nov 13 09:56:00 2023
    On 12.11.23 22:34, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Used my 2019 installer to install MS Office on my M3 Mac.

    Smooth install and the app appears to run flawlessly (cringing at all
    the updates that are about to come ...).

    There is a license issue, so I have to see how to get the license "off"
    of the i7 iMac and onto this one. There is download of a license uninstaller, but I want to understand the process well before leaping.

    There's also a registration key, so may look for a way to get that "in"
    and de-register that from the other Mac.




    Haven't tried Word yet, but expect it to be smooth.

    Totally insane to use this Microsoft-Crap on a brand new M3.
    Use Apple-software or even better Libre Office:

    https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

    It masters all their proprietary file types.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Mon Nov 13 12:26:24 2023
    On 2023-11-13 03:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 12.11.23 22:34, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Used my 2019 installer to install MS Office on my M3 Mac.

    Smooth install and the app appears to run flawlessly (cringing at all
    the updates that are about to come ...).

    There is a license issue, so I have to see how to get the license "off"
    of the i7 iMac and onto this one. There is download of a license
    uninstaller, but I want to understand the process well before leaping.

    There's also a registration key, so may look for a way to get that "in"
    and de-register that from the other Mac.




    Haven't tried Word yet, but expect it to be smooth.

    Totally insane to use this Microsoft-Crap on a brand new M3.
    Use Apple-software or even better Libre Office:

    Excel blows Apple's numbers out of the water. A lot. It is much
    easier to use and has functions Numbers does not.

    Pages is quite good, better than Word in many respects, but Word
    suffices 99.99% of the time and it's what I'm used to.

    Libre-Office is fine unless your clients, suppliers, collaborators, etc.
    are all using MS Office - which is my use case.

    Having to "export" out of a LibreOffice doc isn't worth the additional
    churn - never mind finding bizarre formatting error that occur.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Tue Nov 14 09:09:37 2023
    On 2023-11-13 08:56:00 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    On 12.11.23 22:34, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Used my 2019 installer to install MS Office on my M3 Mac.

    Smooth install and the app appears to run flawlessly (cringing at all
    the updates that are about to come ...).

    There is a license issue, so I have to see how to get the license "off"
    of the i7 iMac and onto this one. There is download of a license
    uninstaller, but I want to understand the process well before leaping.

    There's also a registration key, so may look for a way to get that "in"
    and de-register that from the other Mac.

    Haven't tried Word yet, but expect it to be smooth.

    Totally insane to use this Microsoft-Crap on a brand new M3.
    Use Apple-software or even better Libre Office:

    https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

    It masters all their proprietary file types.

    LibreOffice (and other similar free "office suites") is ugly, awful
    garbage that is disgusting to attempt to use - it is even worse than
    trying to use the awful MS Word. I only have LibreOffice on my Mac to very-occasionally convert really old AppleWorks documents.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Tue Nov 14 09:07:13 2023
    On 2023-11-13 17:26:24 +0000, Alan Browne- said:

    On 2023-11-13 03:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 12.11.23 22:34, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Used my 2019 installer to install MS Office on my M3 Mac.

    Smooth install and the app appears to run flawlessly (cringing at all
    the updates that are about to come ...).

    There is a license issue, so I have to see how to get the license "off"
    of the i7 iMac and onto this one. There is download of a license
    uninstaller, but I want to understand the process well before leaping.

    There's also a registration key, so may look for a way to get that "in"
    and de-register that from the other Mac.


    Haven't tried Word yet, but expect it to be smooth.

    Totally insane to use this Microsoft-Crap on a brand new M3.
    Use Apple-software or even better Libre Office:

    Excel blows Apple's numbers out of the water. A lot. It is much
    easier to use and has functions Numbers does not.

    Pages is quite good, better than Word in many respects, but Word
    suffices 99.99% of the time and it's what I'm used to.

    Libre-Office is fine unless your clients, suppliers, collaborators,
    etc. are all using MS Office - which is my use case.

    Having to "export" out of a LibreOffice doc isn't worth the additional
    churn - never mind finding bizarre formatting error that occur.

    You'll get formatting issues even using MS Word thanks to various
    reasons - even tiny differences in font defintions of the supposed same
    font can cause havoc.

    If the people files are being sent to do not need to edit them, then
    PDF is by far better option (although that too can have compatibility
    problems with various readers, colour shifts when printed, etc.), so
    the app you use to create it becomes irrelevant.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Nov 13 15:37:49 2023
    On 2023-11-13 15:07, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-13 17:26:24 +0000, Alan Browne- said:

    On 2023-11-13 03:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 12.11.23 22:34, Alan Browne- wrote:

    Used my 2019 installer to install MS Office on my M3 Mac.

    Smooth install and the app appears to run flawlessly (cringing at all
    the updates that are about to come ...).

    There is a license issue, so I have to see how to get the license "off" >>>> of the i7 iMac and onto this one.  There is download of a license
    uninstaller, but I want to understand the process well before leaping. >>>>
    There's also a registration key, so may look for a way to get that "in" >>>> and de-register that from the other Mac.


    Haven't tried Word yet, but expect it to be smooth.

    Totally insane to use this Microsoft-Crap on a brand new M3.
    Use Apple-software or even better Libre Office:

    Excel blows Apple's numbers out of the water.  A lot.   It is much
    easier to use and has functions Numbers does not.

    Pages is quite good, better than Word in many respects, but Word
    suffices 99.99% of the time and it's what I'm used to.

    Libre-Office is fine unless your clients, suppliers, collaborators,
    etc. are all using MS Office - which is my use case.

    Having to "export" out of a LibreOffice doc isn't worth the additional
    churn - never mind finding bizarre formatting error that occur.

    You'll get formatting issues even using MS Word thanks to various
    reasons - even tiny differences in font defintions of the supposed same
    font can cause havoc.

    If the people files are being sent to do not need to edit them, then PDF
    is by far better option (although that too can have compatibility
    problems with various readers, colour shifts when printed, etc.), so the
    app you use to create it becomes irrelevant.

    With clients it's usually agreements, proposals, contracts and specs
    that go back and forth, sometimes between several people at each end -
    all in markup until everyone has "improved" or "clarified" it. No bad
    issues with formatting - if something changes it's because somebody did
    so deliberately. It's boring stuff and usually in a boring basic font
    like Helvetica or Arial - for excitement may be in Times New Roman.

    PDF is of course the best when no changes are anticipated.

    Regardless, when sending to Europe (or receiving) the biggest issue is
    page size (letter v. A4 for example) - and that no matter what the
    compositing app is - fortunately my printer will receive an A4 and automatically print to letter. Not all printers do this seamlessly.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to Your Name on Tue Nov 14 11:54:38 2023
    On 13.11.23 21:09, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-13 08:56:00 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

    It masters all their proprietary file types.

    LibreOffice (and other similar free "office suites") is ugly, awful
    garbage that is disgusting to attempt to use - it is even worse than
    trying to use the awful MS Word. I only have LibreOffice on my Mac to very-occasionally convert really old AppleWorks documents.

    See!?
    LO is superior. You like to troll a little bit. I told you this years
    ago when you were trying to tell iPhone users what to do and what not
    but you have no clue of smartphones at all because you do not have any.
    Seems to be the same here ...

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Tue Nov 14 08:11:51 2023
    On 2023-11-14 05:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 13.11.23 21:09, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-13 08:56:00 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

    It masters all their proprietary file types.

    LibreOffice (and other similar free "office suites") is ugly, awful
    garbage that is disgusting to attempt to use - it is even worse than
    trying to use the awful MS Word. I only have LibreOffice on my Mac to
    very-occasionally convert really old AppleWorks documents.

    See!?
    LO is superior. You like to troll a little bit. I told you this years
    ago when you were trying to tell iPhone users what to do and what not
    but you have no clue of smartphones at all because you do not have any.
    Seems to be the same here ...

    Being useful in a niche case is not superior.

    If LO were so good (and free!) corporations worldwide would abandon
    their expensive MS Office licenses.

    (Akin to Linux - which despite being free doesn't have much uptake in
    the desktop world).

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Your Name on Tue Nov 14 14:59:38 2023
    On 2023-11-14 14:26, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-14 10:54:38 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    On 13.11.23 21:09, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-13 08:56:00 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

    It masters all their proprietary file types.

    LibreOffice (and other similar free "office suites") is ugly, awful
    garbage that is disgusting to attempt to use - it is even worse than
    trying to use the awful MS Word. I only have LibreOffice on my Mac to
    very-occasionally convert really old AppleWorks documents.

    See!?
    LO is superior. You like to troll a little bit. I told you this years
    ago when you were trying to tell iPhone users what to do and what not
    but you have no clue of smartphones at all because you do not have any.
    Seems to be the same here ...

    LibreOffice is slow, buggy, looks awful, and is even worse to attempt to
    use for anything. It's free for a reason: it's complete and utter crap.
    Same with Open Office and all the other similar products. As usual, you
    get what you pay for.

    The biggest reason they are such garbage is because they're simply lazy
    ports of the Windoze or Linux versions, with little or no consideration
    of MacOS ... even less than Microsoft's rubbish Office product does.

    You've always had this glorious hate-on for MS Office. Yet, it is very
    good, very reliable, very popular. Need to chill a bit.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Nov 15 08:26:38 2023
    On 2023-11-14 10:54:38 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    On 13.11.23 21:09, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-13 08:56:00 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

    It masters all their proprietary file types.

    LibreOffice (and other similar free "office suites") is ugly, awful
    garbage that is disgusting to attempt to use - it is even worse than
    trying to use the awful MS Word. I only have LibreOffice on my Mac to
    very-occasionally convert really old AppleWorks documents.

    See!?
    LO is superior. You like to troll a little bit. I told you this years
    ago when you were trying to tell iPhone users what to do and what not
    but you have no clue of smartphones at all because you do not have any.
    Seems to be the same here ...

    LibreOffice is slow, buggy, looks awful, and is even worse to attempt
    to use for anything. It's free for a reason: it's complete and utter
    crap. Same with Open Office and all the other similar products. As
    usual, you get what you pay for.

    The biggest reason they are such garbage is because they're simply lazy
    ports of the Windoze or Linux versions, with little or no consideration
    of MacOS ... even less than Microsoft's rubbish Office product does.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Wed Nov 15 19:45:24 2023
    On 2023-11-14 19:59:38 +0000, Alan Browne- said:

    On 2023-11-14 14:26, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-14 10:54:38 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    On 13.11.23 21:09, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-13 08:56:00 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

    It masters all their proprietary file types.

    LibreOffice (and other similar free "office suites") is ugly, awful
    garbage that is disgusting to attempt to use - it is even worse than
    trying to use the awful MS Word. I only have LibreOffice on my Mac to
    very-occasionally convert really old AppleWorks documents.

    See!?
    LO is superior. You like to troll a little bit. I told you this years
    ago when you were trying to tell iPhone users what to do and what not
    but you have no clue of smartphones at all because you do not have any.
    Seems to be the same here ...

    LibreOffice is slow, buggy, looks awful, and is even worse to attempt
    to use for anything. It's free for a reason: it's complete and utter
    crap. Same with Open Office and all the other similar products. As
    usual, you get what you pay for.

    The biggest reason they are such garbage is because they're simply lazy
    ports of the Windoze or Linux versions, with little or no consideration
    of MacOS ... even less than Microsoft's rubbish Office product does.

    You've always had this glorious hate-on for MS Office. Yet, it is very
    good, very reliable, very popular. Need to chill a bit.

    MS Office is none of those things, but it is a step up from LibreOffice
    and OpenOffice. MS Office isn't even remotely popular. It's
    ubiquitously used because the business world took it on as a defacto
    standard (partly thanks to it being cheap / bundled with cheap Windows
    PCs) so many people are now forced to use it at work, etc., but most
    people detest using it.

    Apple's Pages / Numbers / Keynote are better, but those too can be very cumbersome to use. The old AppleWorks suite was much better.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Your Name on Wed Nov 15 09:21:54 2023
    On 2023-11-15 01:45, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-14 19:59:38 +0000, Alan Browne- said:

    On 2023-11-14 14:26, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-14 10:54:38 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    On 13.11.23 21:09, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-13 08:56:00 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
    https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

    It masters all their proprietary file types.

    LibreOffice (and other similar free "office suites") is ugly, awful
    garbage that is disgusting to attempt to use - it is even worse than >>>>> trying to use the awful MS Word. I only have LibreOffice on my Mac to >>>>> very-occasionally convert really old AppleWorks documents.

    See!?
    LO is superior. You like to troll a little bit. I told you this years
    ago when you were trying to tell iPhone users what to do and what not
    but you have no clue of smartphones at all because you do not have any. >>>> Seems to be the same here ...

    LibreOffice is slow, buggy, looks awful, and is even worse to attempt
    to use for anything. It's free for a reason: it's complete and utter
    crap. Same with Open Office and all the other similar products. As
    usual, you get what you pay for.

    The biggest reason they are such garbage is because they're simply
    lazy ports of the Windoze or Linux versions, with little or no
    consideration of MacOS ... even less than Microsoft's rubbish Office
    product does.

    You've always had this glorious hate-on for MS Office.  Yet, it is
    very good, very reliable, very popular.  Need to chill a bit.

    MS Office is none of those things, but it is a step up from LibreOffice
    and OpenOffice. MS Office isn't even remotely popular. It's ubiquitously
    used because the business world took it on as a defacto standard (partly thanks to it being cheap / bundled with cheap Windows PCs) so many
    people are now forced to use it at work, etc., but most people detest
    using it.

    Apple's Pages / Numbers / Keynote are better, but those too can be very cumbersome to use. The old AppleWorks suite was much better.

    No they are not. While Pages is fine for basic documents it is a pale
    shadow of Word for building large complex documents.

    As to Numbers, its user interface is a time consuming brake and it lacks functionality useful (needed) in business and engineering.

    Of course I use both and can plainly see the difference. All you do is
    refresh your decades old objection to anything from MS as a pavlovian
    reflex.

    Too anyone new at it, Excel is daunting, to be sure, but it is a
    powerhouse tool and takes time to learn. Companies do well to bring in instructors from time to time to train newbies (on Excel, Word,
    Powerpoint and Project) and improve the skills of those who are
    comfortable with them.


    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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