• (LaTeX) This doesn't work -- \mbox{ First Line \\ Second Line}

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 18 22:31:29 2024
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    i want 2 lines to stay together... How do i do it?

    This apparently doesn't work.

    \mbox{ First Line \\
    Second Line}



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  • From Ulrich D i e z@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Fri Jul 19 15:02:06 2024
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    HenHanna wrote:


    i want 2 lines to stay together... How do i do it?

    This apparently doesn't work.

    \mbox{ First Line \\
    Second Line}

    [ de.comp.pdf and de.comp.tex actually are German-language newsgroups. ]

    \mbox creates a box.

    TeX switches the typesetting-mode to "restricted horizontal mode" for
    creating the content of the box.
    TeX switches the typesetting-mode to "horizontal mode" for placing the
    created box into the surrounding text.

    The further typesetting-mode is the typesetting-mode where TeX does no line-breaking at all but creates a box where material is typeset horizontally/from left to right.
    The latter typesetting-mode is the typesetting-mode where TeX creates paragraphs and hereby breaks text into lines automatically.

    The circumstance that the content of the box produced by \mbox is
    typeset in restricted horizontal mode implies that no things are done
    that concern vertical adjustment as is the case, e.g., with line-breaking.
    Thus no line-breaking is done with things that are typeset in the typesetting-mode "restricted horizontal mode".

    Different commands for producing boxes and switching the typesettig-mode
    when placing them into the document's surrounding text are explained at
    Tex - LaTeX Stack Exchange - question "What are the different kinds of
    boxes in (La)TeX?":
    https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/83936


    With your scenario I suggest placing two \hboxes holding single lines of
    text into \vtop or \vcenter or \vbox. Due to \vtop/\vcenter/\vbox the
    single \hboxes are typeset in internal vertical mode, i.e. atop each other.

    The box itself, whose content consists of the two \hboxes that are
    typeset atop each other, is to be placed into the surrounding text.

    With \vtop the baseline of the first line/the baseline of the top line
    of that box itself is aligned with the baseline of the line of the
    surrounding text which TeX is about to produce.
    With \vbox the baseline of the last line/the baseline of the bottom line
    of that box itself is aligned with the baseline of the line of the
    surrounding text which TeX is about to produce.
    With \vcenter the vertical center of that box itself is aligned with the math-axis of the line of the surrounding text which TeX is about to
    produce. (The math axis of a line of text, simplified speaking, is the
    vertical position where in the line of text in question the bar of a
    fraction would occur.)
    Although the box produced by `\vcenter` is typeset in internal vertical
    mode (where you can use \hbox{...} for having Tex switch to restricted horizontal mode), you need to have TeX to switch to math-mode for
    placing that box into the line of ttext of the surrounding text.



    \documentclass {article}

    \begin{document}

    Text
    \fbox{%
    \vtop{%
    \hbox{First Line}%
    \hbox{Second Line}%
    }%
    } Text

    Text
    \fbox{%
    $\vcenter{%
    \hbox{First Line}%
    \hbox{Second Line}%
    }$%
    } Text

    Text
    \fbox{%
    \vbox{%
    \hbox{First Line}%
    \hbox{Second Line}%
    }%
    } Text

    \end{document}



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    Yes, of course you can ask questions related to LaTeX at comp.text.tex.

    The traffic at comp.text.tex has reduced over the years because many
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    Many of the regulars of comp.text.tex and many developers of LaTeX
    packages and members of the LaTeX Project Team also are at
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    TeX - LaTeX Stack Exchange in my humble opinion is much more welcoming
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    rather reluctant in the matter of downvoting because a harsh
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    However, TeX - LaTeX Stack Exchange is a question-answer platform and
    not intended for dialogue while when starting out with LaTeX, you might
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    are related to answers you have received. There is a chat at Tex - LaTeX
    Stack Exchange also, which is sort of separate from the question-answer-thingie, but I think I think comp.text.tex is more
    suitable for this.

    Sincerely

    Ulrich

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Scott Pakin on Fri Jul 19 17:45:17 2024
    On 7/19/2024 5:23 PM, Scott Pakin wrote:
    On 7/18/24 23:31, HenHanna wrote:
    i want 2 lines to stay together... How do i do it?

    This apparently doesn't work.

                 \mbox{ First Line \\
                        Second Line}

    \mbox is for single-line text only.  How about using a tabular?

        \documentclass{article}
        \begin{document}
        \begin{tabular}[t]{@{}ll@{}}
          First Line \\
          Second Line
        \end{tabular}
        \end{document}

    -- Scott


    thank you.... (if and) When i get serious about
    glueing 1stLine and 2ndLine together, i may end up using Minipage.

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  • From Scott Pakin@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Fri Jul 19 18:23:27 2024
    On 7/18/24 23:31, HenHanna wrote:
    i want 2 lines to stay together... How do i do it?

    This apparently doesn't work.

                \mbox{ First Line \\
                       Second Line}

    \mbox is for single-line text only. How about using a tabular?

    \documentclass{article}
    \begin{document}
    \begin{tabular}[t]{@{}ll@{}}
    First Line \\
    Second Line
    \end{tabular}
    \end{document}

    -- Scott

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  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 21:41:37 2024
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  • From Axel Berger@21:1/5 to Jeff Barnett on Sat Jul 20 09:37:05 2024
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    Jeff Barnett wrote:
    Look up the environment minipage.

    Or in this case perhaps parbox


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  • From Ulrich D i e z@21:1/5 to Axel Berger on Sat Jul 20 14:41:58 2024
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    Axel Berger wrote:

    Jeff Barnett wrote:
    Look up the environment minipage.

    Or in this case perhaps parbox

    In case you want the box with the first and the second line to have the
    natural width of the widest of the two lines, minipage-environment and \parbox-command, where you are to specify the desired width explicitly,
    might turn out cumbersome.

    Sincerely

    Ulrich

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  • From Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Thu Jul 25 17:37:36 2024
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    I don't think crossposting to 5 groups two of which not in English will
    help.

    el

    On 19/07/2024 07:31, HenHanna wrote:
    i want 2 lines to stay together... How do i do it?

    [...]

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  • From Ulrich D i e z@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Thu Jul 25 22:51:16 2024
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    [Followup-To: comp.text.tex]

    HenHanna wrote:

    On 7/25/2024 8:37 AM, Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
    I don't think crossposting to 5 groups two of which not in English will
    help.

    el

    On 19/07/2024 07:31, HenHanna wrote:
    i want 2 lines to stay together... How do i do it?

    [...]


    if i want 2 words to stay together... First~Second
    (and/or \mbox{...} )
    Shouldn't there be an easy way to do that for 2 lines?

    If you want to avoid clubs and/or widows while TeX is in horizontal mpde
    where it does the line-breaking for you, you can do

    \widowpenalty=10000
    \clubpenalty)10000

    But when TeX is in the situation of having to choose between several
    infinitely bad possibilities of page-breaking it might choose the one
    where you get a widow or a club anyway.

    If you want lines of an entire paragraph to not be broken across pages,
    with LaTeX put that paragraph into a minipage environment or into a
    \parbox and specify, e.g., the width \textwidth or \linewidth.With
    LaTeX there is also an environment samepage.

    With plain-TeX you can put that paragraph into a \vbox. Inside the \vbox
    you may need to say s.th. like

    \hsize=<width of lines of text inside the \vbox when TeX does the
    line-breaking automatically>
    Sincerely

    Ulrich

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  • From Scott Pakin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 19 10:17:19 2024
    Another package worth considering, depending on your needs, is
    needspace. needspace provides commands that insert a page break if less
    than a given amount of vertical space remains on the page:

    \needspace{2\baselineskip}
    First Line \\
    Second Line

    -- Scott

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