Andrew,
I didn't file a bug because I have no idea what package caused the problem.
I just sent this message (below my signature).
Hello,
This email is being sent to Debian-Accessibility and Debian-Boot separately.
I installed from this file:debian-live-11.6.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso under Windows11 using. Win32 Disk Imager following the Debian Instructions, I had previously been using Unetbootin.
I was asked to install this because I had failures using the "latest"
Alpha2 iso.
I still cannot log into the system using my user name and password.
The system starts the GUI but fails and goes back to the log in screen, but only for user, root can run the GUI.
The installer doesn't ask me where to put GRUB, I believe it should as
I have multiple Linux distros and several hard drives.
One big thing to the Accessibility Community is that the base packages
- that is just installing the base packages and standard utilities
without Debian Desktop Environment and any other Desktop Environment
like MATE, is that either nmcli or nmtui should be installed. It's
difficult for many including myself to remember how to get a WiFi
connection up and running without such a program.
Debian Accessibility mentioned that it was going to put in a request
that there be a choice to boot into the CLI text mode, many blind
users love the CLI because it's unambiguous.
The instructions I was given was to do this in /var/log/
tar -cf log.tar.bz2 ./hardware-summary lsb-release partman status syslog
However none of the files except syslog are there, so I just include a
pastebin link for syslog.
syslog is here:
https://pastebin.com/GzYARtRG
What I have to do is log in as root giving the root password. Then I
can start X, I can also from the root prompt, enter "su myusername"
and start X. I also from root prompt entered "passwd myusername" and
entered my usename password. I still cannot log in.
Best regards,
David Ring
I'd be happy to file a bug report but I have no idea what the problem is.
Usually it's a lot easier because it's not as big a problem. I cannot log
in as user in text mode (in the text console) or in lightdm to get into
Mate.
I used the latest Alpha 2 that has the firmware. debian-live-11.6.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso
When a new version is released I'll try that.
Best regards,
David
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 17:19 Andrew M.A. Cater <
amacater@einval.com> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 01:23:39PM -0400, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
Awesome, thanks!
How can we get those that make the mini disk or the other iso files to
put
in nmtui so that if a person that wants a text only installation as many blind users like have an easy way to connect without installing the GUI graphical desktop.
nmtui and nmcli are both part of Network Manager which pulls in other dependencies but it shouldn't be a problem in some sense. It might mean adding Network Manager as part of Debian standard packages and the
recent trend is to cut down on the number of Debian packages installed
to allow for smaller minimum machines, containers and VMs.
Also it was promised that the installer would have an option to boot directly into text mode for those users who want this.
*Which* installer? If you install using the debian-live media, then I think all bets are off as far as accessibility goes for someone visually
impaired -
though the Debian-live standard .iso is probably OK since it includes only text mode programs.
The text mode install is directly there in a Debian
netinst as is the expert text mode install which asks all the questions
to include those at lower priority. I'd need to check - but I'm fairly
sure that the Bookworm installer coming up has a speech install option
and also a high contrast text mode install.
No one answered my bug report about not being able to log in using my
user
account, so I will use "smartctl -t long" and see what is happening to my hard drive!
Which bug report number, please?
Thanks,
David
With every good wish, as ever,
Andy Cater
One big thing to the Accessibility Community is that the base
packages
- that is just installing the base packages and standard utilities without Debian Desktop Environment and any other Desktop Environment like MATE, is that either nmcli or nmtui should be installed. It's difficult for many including myself to remember how to get a WiFi connection up and running without such a program.
Debian Accessibility mentioned that it was going to put in a request that there be a choice to boot into the CLI text mode, many blind
users love the CLI because it's unambiguous.
The instructions I was given was to do this in /var/log/
tar -cf log.tar.bz2 ./hardware-summary lsb-release partman status
syslog
However none of the files except syslog are there, so I just include
a
pastebin link for syslog.
syslog is here: https://pastebin.com/GzYARtRG
What I have to do is log in as root giving the root password. Then I can start X, I can also from the root prompt, enter "su myusername"
and start X. I also from root prompt entered "passwd myusername" and entered my usename password. I still cannot log in.
Best regards,
David Ring
<div dir="auto">Andrew,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I didn't file a bug because I have no idea what package caused the problem.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I just sent this message (below my signature).</div><div dir="
auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hello,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This email is being sent to Debian-Accessibility and Debian-Boot separately.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I installed from this file:debian-live-11.6.
0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso under Windows11 using. Win32 Disk Imager following the Debian Instructions, I had previously been using Unetbootin.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I was asked to install this because I had failures using the "
latest"</div><div dir="auto">Alpha2 iso.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I still cannot log into the system using my user name and password.</div><div dir="auto">The system starts the GUI but fails and goes back to the log in screen,
but only for user, root can run the GUI.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The installer doesn't ask me where to put GRUB, I believe it should as</div><div dir="auto">I have multiple Linux distros and several hard drives.</div><div dir="
auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One big thing to the Accessibility Community is that the base packages</div><div dir="auto">- that is just installing the base packages and standard utilities</div><div dir="auto">without Debian Desktop Environment and any
other Desktop Environment</div><div dir="auto">like MATE, is that either nmcli or nmtui should be installed. It's</div><div dir="auto">difficult for many including myself to remember how to get a WiFi</div><div dir="auto">connection up and running
without such a program.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Debian Accessibility mentioned that it was going to put in a request</div><div dir="auto">that there be a choice to boot into the CLI text mode, many blind</div><div dir="auto">users
love the CLI because it's unambiguous.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The instructions I was given was to do this in /var/log/</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">tar -cf log.tar.bz2 ./hardware-summary lsb-release partman
status syslog</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">However none of the files except syslog are there, so I just include a pastebin link for syslog. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">syslog is here: <a href="
https://pastebin.com/
GzYARtRG">
https://pastebin.com/GzYARtRG</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What I have to do is log in as root giving the root password. Then I</div><div dir="auto">can start X, I can also from the root prompt, enter "su myusername&
quot;</div><div dir="auto">and start X. I also from root prompt entered "passwd myusername" and</div><div dir="auto">entered my usename password. I still cannot log in.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,</div><div dir=
"auto">David Ring</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'd be happy to file a bug report but I have no idea what the problem is.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Usually it's a lot easier because it's not as big a
problem. I cannot log in as user in text mode (in the text console) or in lightdm to get into Mate.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I used the latest Alpha 2 that has the firmware.</div><div dir="auto">debian-live-11.6.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.
iso</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When a new version is released I'll try that.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">David</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 17:19 Andrew M.A. Cater <<a href="mailto:
amacater@einval.com">
amacater@einval.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;
padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 01:23:39PM -0400, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:<br>
> Awesome, thanks!<br>
> <br>
> How can we get those that make the mini disk or the other iso files to put<br>
> in nmtui so that if a person that wants a text only installation as many<br>
> blind users like have an easy way to connect without installing the GUI<br>
> graphical desktop.<br>
> <br>
nmtui and nmcli are both part of Network Manager which pulls in other<br> dependencies but it shouldn't be a problem in some sense. It might mean<br> adding Network Manager as part of Debian standard packages and the <br>
recent trend is to cut down on the number of Debian packages installed<br>
to allow for smaller minimum machines, containers and VMs.<br>
> Also it was promised that the installer would have an option to boot<br> > directly into text mode for those users who want this.<br>
> <br>
*Which* installer? If you install using the debian-live media, then I think<br> all bets are off as far as accessibility goes for someone visually impaired -<br>
though the Debian-live standard .iso is probably OK since it includes only<br> text mode programs. <br>
The text mode install is directly there in a Debian <br>
netinst as is the expert text mode install which asks all the questions<br>
to include those at lower priority. I'd need to check - but I'm fairly<br>
sure that the Bookworm installer coming up has a speech install option<br>
and also a high contrast text mode install.<br>
> No one answered my bug report about not being able to log in using my user<br>
> account, so I will use "smartctl -t long" and see what is happening to my<br>
> hard drive!<br>
> <br>
Which bug report number, please?<br>
> Thanks,<br>
> <br>
> David<br>
> <br>
> <br>
With every good wish, as ever,<br>
Andy Cater<br>
> > ><br>
> > > One big thing to the Accessibility Community is that the base packages<br>
> > > - that is just installing the base packages and standard utilities<br>
> > > without Debian Desktop Environment and any other Desktop Environment<br>
> > > like MATE, is that either nmcli or nmtui should be installed. It's<br>
> > > difficult for many including myself to remember how to get a WiFi<br>
> > > connection up and running without such a program.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Debian Accessibility mentioned that it was going to put in a request<br>
> > > that there be a choice to boot into the CLI text mode, many blind<br>
> > > users love the CLI because it's unambiguous.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The instructions I was given was to do this in /var/log/<br> > > ><br>
> > > tar -cf log.tar.bz2 ./hardware-summary lsb-release partman status syslog<br>
> > ><br>
> > > However none of the files except syslog are there, so I just include a<br>
> > > pastebin link for syslog.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > syslog is here: <a href="
https://pastebin.com/GzYARtRG" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://pastebin.com/GzYARtRG</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > What I have to do is log in as root giving the root password. Then I<br>
> > > can start X, I can also from the root prompt, enter "su myusername"<br>
> > > and start X. I also from root prompt entered "passwd myusername" and<br>
> > > entered my usename password. I still cannot log in.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Best regards,<br>
> > > David Ring<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
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