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    From Modaresi Soft Hard@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 10:50:01 2023
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  • From Lennart Sorensen@21:1/5 to Modaresi Soft Hard on Wed Nov 1 13:50:02 2023
    On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 09:27:16AM +0000, Modaresi Soft Hard wrote:
    Hello. From Debian 12 onwards, proprietary drivers will be automatically installed in normal mode.

    Can you make the installer ask questions in normal mode for installing proprietary drivers?
    (Like a check box with No and Yes)

    What does firmware=never do? # https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#How_to_disable_detection_and_use_of_non-free_firmware

    Does firmware=never affect the installation and detection of free firmwares?

    I use an interpreter. forgive me

    firmware and proprietary drivers are two very different things.

    Firmware files are loaded into memory on the hardware to make it operate.
    The drivers are often still open source. Proprietary drivers (like nvidia
    and amd) on the other hand execute on your CPU, usually in kernel space
    (at least partially) and is a very different story. People tend to
    have a much bigger issue with proprietary drivers than they do with
    firmware files.

    The firmware file simply does what in the past would have been done with
    a rom or flash chip on the card but is now done with ram to save some
    money on the design.

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    Len Sorensen

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  • From Holger Wansing@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 14:40:02 2023
    Hi,

    Am 1. November 2023 10:27:16 MEZ schrieb Modaresi Soft Hard <modaresisofthard@proton.me>:
    Hello. From Debian 12 onwards, proprietary drivers will be automatically installed in normal mode.

    Can you make the installer ask questions in normal mode for installing proprietary drivers?
    (Like a check box with No and Yes)

    Based on the assumption, that for the vast majority of users it's wanted
    to have non-free firmware installed, this is the default behavior.
    If this is not wanted, you can use the parameter "firmware=never".

    What does firmware=never do? # https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#How_to_disable_detection_and_use_of_non-free_firmware

    Does firmware=never affect the installation and detection of free firmwares?

    Detection of firmware still works, but you don't get non-free firmware installed automatically
    (from the install media or via web).
    In such situation, the installer may ask for firmware files nevertheless,
    if a device is detected, which requires this.
    You can provide such file then via USB stick for example, if you want.
    This is the same behaviour as in Debian 11 and before.

    Free firmware is not affected at all by this.


    Holger




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