• Rampage from bluca

    From Bastian Blank@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 10 20:10:03 2024
    Hi

    bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
    decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks
    just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the "installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.

    Evidence from #debian-systemd:

    | 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
    | 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs

    The last one never saw a non-hack solution after https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/partman-target/-/merge_requests/3
    and
    https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/partman-base/-/merge_requests/9

    Bastian

    --
    I'm a soldier, not a diplomat. I can only tell the truth.
    -- Kirk, "Errand of Mercy", stardate 3198.9

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  • From Steve McIntyre@21:1/5 to Bastian Blank on Sat Aug 10 21:40:01 2024
    On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 07:49:09PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
    Hi

    bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
    decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks
    just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the >"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.

    Evidence from #debian-systemd:

    | 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
    | 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs

    I've just dropped Luca's access to the installer-team to "Guest" for
    now.

    Luca: *stop* now, please. Take a step back and think about how you're approaching things and why people are unhappy with you.

    --
    Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com We don't need no education.
    We don't need no thought control.

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  • From Luca Boccassi@21:1/5 to Steve McIntyre on Sun Aug 11 01:40:01 2024
    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 at 20:38, Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote:

    On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 07:49:09PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
    Hi

    bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
    decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks >just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the >"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.

    I am not sure what you are talking about - the last changes I've done
    in D-I are adding optional support for systemd-boot:

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2024/06/msg00013.html https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/systemd-boot-installer https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer-utils/-/merge_requests/12
    https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/merge_requests/17 https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/-/merge_requests/46

    Everyone else seemed fine with that? What problem do you have with
    this feature exactly? Why do you object to having optional support for
    an alternative bootloader in the installer?

    Before that, I fixed some bugs and added support for a new cryptsetup
    feature to partman-crypto:

    https://bugs.debian.org/1017542
    https://bugs.debian.org/1053678
    https://bugs.debian.org/1060422

    Again nobody seemed to have a problem with any of that. That's the
    extent of my work on debian-boot.

    In what universe is any of this a "rampage"? Aren't you exaggerating
    just a little bit? I don't think this is an appropriate way to refer
    to the work of a fellow developer, even if you don't personally like
    it for your own reasons.

    Evidence from #debian-systemd:

    | 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
    | 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs

    I've just dropped Luca's access to the installer-team to "Guest" for
    now.

    That exchange is referring to implementing this suggestion from Timo
    and Marc, which I happen to like a lot:

    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1077764#303

    It has nothing to do with D-I, and also I am not sure what the exact
    problem with the proposed change would be, and why would it warrant
    removing Salsa access? Can you please elaborate?

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  • From Bastian Blank@21:1/5 to Luca Boccassi on Sun Aug 11 16:40:01 2024
    Hi Luca

    I find it interesting that you explicitly exclude me in your reply, but
    not the other people I sent the e-mail in the first place.

    But I might also note that your behaviour within https://lwn.net/Articles/984635/ mimicks the one you employed within the
    CTTE bug report. So you now dragged this conflict into an external
    forum. Really?

    On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 12:13:38AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 at 20:38, Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote:
    On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 07:49:09PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
    bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
    decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks >just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the >"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.
    I am not sure what you are talking about - the last changes I've done
    in D-I are adding optional support for systemd-boot:

    This information was skipped from the reply as irrelevant, but I
    referred to the ordeal about discoverable partitions in partman. You
    wouldn't have forgotten about this already?

    Evidence from #debian-systemd:
    | 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
    | 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs
    That exchange is referring to implementing this suggestion from Timo
    and Marc, which I happen to like a lot: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1077764#303

    Okay. Please fill bug reports. After reading the os-release
    documentation, I don't actually see any way to do that, but I would be interested if it actually exists.

    Bastian

    --
    Conquest is easy. Control is not.
    -- Kirk, "Mirror, Mirror", stardate unknown

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  • From Luca Boccassi@21:1/5 to Bastian Blank on Sun Aug 11 18:00:01 2024
    On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 at 15:25, Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> wrote:

    Hi Luca

    I find it interesting that you explicitly exclude me in your reply, but
    not the other people I sent the e-mail in the first place.

    Just as interesting as the fact that _you_ explicitly excluded _me_ in
    your first email, and that I noticed only because of the reply from
    someone else that cc'ed me, I guess?

    But I might also note that your behaviour within https://lwn.net/Articles/984635/ mimicks the one you employed within the
    CTTE bug report. So you now dragged this conflict into an external
    forum. Really?

    Nice personal attack you are trying to mount there, but I'm afraid
    it's both off topic and off track: I do not decide what LWN writes
    articles about.

    On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 12:13:38AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 at 20:38, Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote:
    On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 07:49:09PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
    bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE >decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks >just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the >"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.
    I am not sure what you are talking about - the last changes I've done
    in D-I are adding optional support for systemd-boot:

    This information was skipped from the reply as irrelevant, but I
    referred to the ordeal about discoverable partitions in partman. You wouldn't have forgotten about this already?

    You mean the MR that was closed by you, where for no reason at all you
    were incredibly rude and unhelpful, and rejected it without any hint
    of constructiveness? And that ended there and then, with no further
    activity, there or elsewhere, and that never, ever reached either any
    of the Salsa group repos or the archive, at any point in time, and
    therefore only ever existed as an experimental branch in a personal
    fork in a personal git repo? Because I find it very hard to find any justification for asserting about a "rampage in debian-boot" in any of
    this, at least from myself. The way you routinely behave when you
    review other people's work, and when you communicate on mailing lists
    such as this example, though, might very well fit the bill.

    Evidence from #debian-systemd:
    | 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
    | 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs
    That exchange is referring to implementing this suggestion from Timo
    and Marc, which I happen to like a lot: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1077764#303

    Okay. Please fill bug reports. After reading the os-release
    documentation, I don't actually see any way to do that, but I would be interested if it actually exists.

    It's quite simple to do, and I'll file an MR for review when I have it
    ready, and I will ask other people to look at it at that point.
    However, given how unpleasantly and aggressively you typically behave
    when you review other people's work, and given these personal attacks
    you are mounting, I will not ask for your review, and I will ask that
    you please refrain from doing so.

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  • From Luca Boccassi@21:1/5 to Luca Boccassi on Tue Aug 13 13:30:01 2024
    On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 at 00:13, Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> wrote:

    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 at 20:38, Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> wrote:

    On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 07:49:09PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
    Hi

    bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
    decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks >just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the >"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.

    I am not sure what you are talking about - the last changes I've done
    in D-I are adding optional support for systemd-boot:

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2024/06/msg00013.html https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/systemd-boot-installer https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer-utils/-/merge_requests/12
    https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/merge_requests/17 https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/-/merge_requests/46

    Everyone else seemed fine with that? What problem do you have with
    this feature exactly? Why do you object to having optional support for
    an alternative bootloader in the installer?

    Before that, I fixed some bugs and added support for a new cryptsetup
    feature to partman-crypto:

    https://bugs.debian.org/1017542
    https://bugs.debian.org/1053678
    https://bugs.debian.org/1060422

    Again nobody seemed to have a problem with any of that. That's the
    extent of my work on debian-boot.

    In what universe is any of this a "rampage"? Aren't you exaggerating
    just a little bit? I don't think this is an appropriate way to refer
    to the work of a fellow developer, even if you don't personally like
    it for your own reasons.

    Evidence from #debian-systemd:

    | 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
    | 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs

    I've just dropped Luca's access to the installer-team to "Guest" for
    now.

    That exchange is referring to implementing this suggestion from Timo
    and Marc, which I happen to like a lot:

    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1077764#303

    It has nothing to do with D-I, and also I am not sure what the exact
    problem with the proposed change would be, and why would it warrant
    removing Salsa access? Can you please elaborate?

    Hi Steve,

    Given the above and my other reply, are you now satisfied that nothing
    untoward has ever happened, was happening that time or is happening
    now, or would you need more references/information/clarifications? I
    understand that at the time you received that first mail you decided
    to act quickly based on the threatening and worrying notice you were
    given, and it's of course not your fault that it turned out to be,
    let's say, incorrect. I ask because I am currently unable to do my job
    as the (sole active) maintainer of debootstrap, which is to continue
    working through the backlog of open MRs on Salsa to review them and
    merge them, as I've been doing for the past couple of years, among
    other things. Thank you for your consideration.

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  • From Steve McIntyre@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 27 15:40:01 2024
    So that people are aware...

    Luca and I just had a good conversation about this, and we're
    happy. I've given him back "Developer" rights now.

    --
    Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com 'There is some grim amusement in watching Pence try to run the typical
    "politician in the middle of a natural disaster" playbook, however
    incompetently, while Trump scribbles all over it in crayon and eats some
    of the pages.' -- Russ Allbery

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