Hi,

Roland Clobus <rclobus@rclobus.nl> (2025-05-25):

I also assumed that the MRs would have been on the radar of the
relevant teams, but (given some discussion on debian-devel some time
ago) every DD needs to explicitly enable notifications in Salsa, so
that was apparently not the case.

As far as I'm concerned, the primary point of contact in Debian is the
BTS. Sure, MRs are nice to get reviews, to get some iterations done,
etc., but I don't think it's reasonable to fire up MRs and hope they'll
be picked up automatically. (This is orthogonal to whether we have
enough workforce to wade through MRs and/or BTS entries.)

I would feel most comfortable when the corresponding live images are
being tested in openQA, but we have a chicken-egg issue here.

See my lightning talk in Hamburg 17:38-18:52: https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2025/MiniDebConf-Hamburg/hamburg2025-32-lightning-talks.webm
Let's have a release goal for forky to have desktop environments included/excluded based on tests in (at least) openQA (easy in-easy out)

I can try to locally generate/mimic the updated task packages and
build a live image from that (which I once did for the Lomiri
desktop). I'll need a few day for that (since in IRL I'm also busy :-)

Depending on your availability, what we could try is adding the two
desktops, making that testable (if having them in sid is enough).

I forgot to mention in my first reply: if the images team is worried
about possible side effects that could result from adding choices (e.g. disturbances in the image build system — via debian-cd), that'd be
another reason against including those tasks. I'm cc-ing debian-cd@ for
input.

(I don't want to speak for them, but I'd call that unlikely. My vague recollection was probably more about having to build images for each
desktop environment, which we dropped a while back.)

Looking at the timeline, would it be possible to add the two desktops
in a point release of trixie and have this not delay the release of
trixie?

While I'm more than happy to consider backports during point releases,
it would look very weird to me to have brand new desktops added there.


Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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Hi,
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 11:59:39AM +0200, Roland Clobus wrote:

Hello,

On 25/05/2025 10:46, Guido Günther wrote:

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 07:30:22AM +0000, Mike Gabriel wrote:
[..snip..]

Unless someone strongly feels differently, and convinces me to rethink this, I'll drop both entries from the wishlist for Trixie.

I raise my hand here, because I strongly feel different regarding the Lomiri
part of this mail. Thanks for sending this mail, so there still is some chance to turn the wheel (hopefully!).

Same here. I understand that it's late in the cycle but then the recent feedback in the MR asking for addition to the Trixie TODO list made me believe there's nothing else to do for the moment.

It was me who found the MRs, and proposed to add them to the wishlist (and then started this confusion).

I also assumed that the MRs would have been on the radar of the relevant teams, but (given some discussion on debian-devel some time ago) every DD needs to explicitly enable notifications in Salsa, so that was apparently
not the case.

I would feel most comfortable when the corresponding live images are being tested in openQA, but we have a chicken-egg issue here.

See my lightning talk in Hamburg 17:38-18:52: https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2025/MiniDebConf-Hamburg/hamburg2025-32-lightning-talks.webm
Let's have a release goal for forky to have desktop environments included/excluded based on tests in (at least) openQA (easy in-easy
out)

OpenQA tests would be great. Let me know if I can help with anything.

Cheers,
-- Guido

I can try to locally generate/mimic the updated task packages and build a live image from that (which I once did for the Lomiri desktop). I'll need a few day for that (since in IRL I'm also busy :-)

Looking at the timeline, would it be possible to add the two desktops in a point release of trixie and have this not delay the release of trixie?

With kind regards,
Roland Clobus

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