• Bug#1099751: orca: Orca captures all input when focus changes to firefo

    From Sebastian Humenda@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 15:50:01 2025
    Package: orca
    Version: 47.3-1
    Severity: grave
    Tags: a11y
    Justification: renders package unusable

    Hi

    When the focus is set to Firefox, the "browse" mode is activated and seemingly captures all key presses. Navigating the web site works, but any "normal" action doesn't. This includes "Tab" in focus mode, but also pressing ctl+l to jump to the address bar, pressing f10 to open the menu bar or alt+tab to get out of Firefox.

    This applies to the current packages in Trixie/testing.
    I can confirm this on two testing machines, independently upgraded from Bookworm, one at ~2024-10 and the other at ~2025-02.
    I'm using X.org and the MATE desktop. I've attached a debug log captured with the following steps:

    1. Start `orca --debug`.
    2. Spawn firefox from a mate-terminal with the address of `orca.gnome.org`.
    3. Try to escape Firefox with Alt+Tab or access the address bar with ctl+l.
    Both in browse and in focus mode.

    It is possible that the bug isn't in Orca itself but in AT-SPI or somewhere in X.org. Normal desktop use seems not to be affected. Given the importance of
    web services these days, this still renders the system unusable for a considerable number of blind users.

    Cheers
    Sebastian
    -- System Information:
    Debian Release: 12.9
    APT prefers stable-security
    APT policy: (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable-debug'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental')
    Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
    Foreign Architectures: i386

    Kernel: Linux 6.1.0-31-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU threads; PREEMPT)
    Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
    Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
    Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
    LSM: AppArmor: enabled

    Versions of packages orca depends on:
    ii gir1.2-glib-2.0 1.74.0-3
    ii gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 1.22.0-2+deb12u1
    ii gir1.2-gtk-3.0 3.24.38-2~deb12u3
    ii gir1.2-pango-1.0 1.50.12+ds-1
    ii gir1.2-wnck-3.0 43.0-3
    ii gsettings-desktop-schemas 43.0-1
    ii gstreamer1.0-plugins-good 1.22.0-5+deb12u2
    ii python3 3.11.2-1+b1
    ii python3-brlapi 6.5-7+deb12u1
    ii python3-cairo 1.20.1-5+b1
    ii python3-gi 3.42.2-3+b1
    ii python3-louis 3.24.0-1
    ii python3-pyatspi 2.46.0-2
    ii python3-speechd 0.11.4-2
    ii speech-dispatcher 0.11.4-2
    ii xkbset 0.6-3

    Versions of packages orca recommends:
    ii xbrlapi 6.5-7+deb12u1

    Versions of packages orca suggests:
    ii brltty 6.7-1~bpo12+1

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Jeremy_B=C3=ADcha?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 19 21:00:01 2025
    When the focus is set to Firefox, the "browse" mode is activated and seemingly
    captures all key presses. Navigating the web site works, but any "normal" action doesn't. This includes "Tab" in focus mode, but also pressing ctl+l to jump to the address bar, pressing f10 to open the menu bar or alt+tab to get out of Firefox.

    This applies to the current packages in Trixie/testing.
    I can confirm this on two testing machines, independently upgraded from Bookworm, one at ~2024-10 and the other at ~2025-02.
    I'm using X.org and the MATE desktop. I've attached a debug log captured with the following steps:

    1. Start `orca --debug`.
    2. Spawn firefox from a mate-terminal with the address of `orca.gnome.org`. 3. Try to escape Firefox with Alt+Tab or access the address bar with ctl+l.
    Both in browse and in focus mode.

    It is possible that the bug isn't in Orca itself but in AT-SPI or somewhere in
    X.org. Normal desktop use seems not to be affected. Given the importance of web services these days, this still renders the system unusable for a considerable number of blind users.

    Please confirm whether you are still affected by this bug. I am unable
    to reproduce this issue with Debian Testing using GNOME (on Wayland)
    and Firefox ESR.

    Thank you,
    Jeremy Bícha

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  • From James Addison@21:1/5 to Sebastian on Mon May 5 14:40:02 2025
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    X-Debbugs-CC: shumenda@gmx.de

    Hi Sebastian,

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 15:41:25 +0100, Sebastian wrote:
    [ ... snip ... ]
    When the focus is set to Firefox, the "browse" mode is activated and seemingly
    captures all key presses. Navigating the web site works, but any "normal" action doesn't. This includes "Tab" in focus mode, but also pressing ctl+l to jump to the address bar, pressing f10 to open the menu bar or alt+tab to get out of Firefox.
    [ ... snip ... ]

    I've attempted to replicate this bug by using a recent Debian trixie
    weekly MATE amd64 LiveCD image[1] - sha256sum 071135fc3a8aafe9f1a923397ccdd1620845944f931e4187913556698f4122da -
    running under qemu.

    That image provides a MATE-based desktop environment running under
    Xorg, and it also includes Orca 48.0 and Firefox.

    Following your repro steps, I ran 'orca --debug' and was able to
    observe subsequent debug output being written to a file in the
    directory that that command was launched from. Then I ran 'firefox orca.gnome.org' from a terminal and began testing.

    I did find that ctrl-L was able to activate and highlight the address
    bar from a previously-unfocused state, regardless of whether the
    browser viewport had been in focus or not.

    I had difficulty testing alt-tab behaviour, perhaps due to qemu
    keyboard input capture behaviour that I could have tried to learn more
    about, but have not yet.

    Please could you confirm whether this behaviour still occurs with Orca
    48.0, as now available in Debian trixie? I couldn't find anything
    obviously related to a fix in the upstream changelog[2], although some
    of the changes regarding event handling seem like they could
    potentially be relevant.

    Thanks!
    James

    [1] - https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-testing-amd64-mate.iso

    [2] - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/orca/-/compare/47.3...48.0

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  • From James Addison@21:1/5 to Sebastian Humenda on Mon May 5 20:20:01 2025
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 at 14:20, Sebastian Humenda <shumenda@gmx.de> wrote:
    Yes, I can still confirm the issue with Orca 48 from Trixie. Only a downgrade to Orca 45 fixes the issue :-/. I have this on both Trixie systems of mine, both were upgraded from bookworm. I am puzzled why it is so hard to reproduce.

    Ok, hm. Because we can replicate the problem on those
    previously-installed bookworm systems and not in a trixie live image,
    my initial guess would be that configuration, such as Orca user
    preferences[1], could be a factor; but other possibilities may exist
    too. Can you check whether any configuration settings have been
    changed from their defaults, and/or whether a newly-created user
    account also encounters this problem?

    Some other ideas to possibly help narrow down on the problem:

    * Does this occur for all websites, or only particular ones (e.g.
    the Orca homepage).
    * Are there any clues in the debug-*.txt file (you could attach
    some/all of it here if there any useful-looking clues, after first
    checking for any sensitive data).

    [1] - https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/orca/help/preferences.html

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  • From Samuel Thibault@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 22:20:01 2025
    Hello,

    Sebastian Humenda, le ven. 07 mars 2025 15:41:25 +0100, a ecrit:
    When the focus is set to Firefox, the "browse" mode is activated

    Just to make sure: which "browse" mode are you talking about? The
    Firefox caret browse mode reached through F7, or something particular in Orca ?

    I tried to install a fresh Debian 12 Bookworm MATE system, then upgrade
    to Trixie, started firefox, went to orca.gnome.org, pressed F7, moved
    around in the text, then pressed control-L, it did work.

    As mentioned by James, it would be useful to try to reproduce with fresh profiles and such to make sure how to reproduce it.

    Samuel

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