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Hi Christopher,
On 2025/3/22 09:58, Christopher Obbard wrote:
Hi Vagrant and Kever,
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025, 18:22 Vagrant Cascadian, <vagrant@debian.org> wrote:
On 2023-08-31, Christopher Obbard wrote:
> Package name : rkbin
> Version : 0.0.0~git20230726.b4558da
> Upstream Contact: Kever Yang <kever.yang@rock-chips.com>
> URL : https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rkbin
> License : Copyright © 2017-2023，Rockchip Electronics Co.,
> Ltd. All rights reserved.
> Programming Lang: n/a; prebuilt firmware binaries
> Description : Pre-built Rockchip bootloader firmware
binaries (for embedded targets)
>
> This package contains the Rockchip bootloader firmware binaries,
primarily
> used for targets where no open-source versions is yet released.
> The pre-built firmware consists of builds of Arm Trusted
Firmware, OP-TEE
> and U-Boot. There are also some closed-source tools in this
repo, build for
> amd64. These will be stripped from the upstream source package
as I do
> not (yet) see a need for these.
> This package is required to build U-Boot for some embedded
targets such as
> rk3588, rk3566, rk3568. All of these will eventually have
open-source
> firmware, but it is still useful for new processors in the
future where
> U-Boot support will be merged long before the initial DRAM
bringup and
> trusted firmware.
Arm Trusted Firmware for some of these rk35xx variants is now
supported
in the Debian packaging and upstream. I think the only thing left for
rk3588 is the DDR training binaries from rkbin:
https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2024/02/21/almost-a-fully-open-source-boot-chain-for-rockchips-rk3588/
Not sure about the other rk35xx variants.
@Kever I wonder if rockchip plan to open source the RAM training into
u-boot like other platforms?
I have check internally for this topic, there is no plan for open source
the ddr init binary recently for rk35xx SoCs.
Rockchip already provide the source based ddrbin_tool to modify the ddr
binary with all the possible
parameter which may need by customers.
So it would be better for the rkbin can merge into the Debian
non-free-firmware package.
Thanks,
- Kever
This would remove need for rbkin in Debian.
PS: I don't have time to look at packaging robin until the late
summer. If someone else wishes to do it, I'd happily help with
reviewing and sponsor an upload into Debian.
Chris
> I expect this package will go into non-free-firmware.
I *think* this license looks plausible for non-free-firmware:
https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rkbin/blob/master/LICENSE
Rockchip hereby grants to you a non-exclusive license (a) to
use, copy,
distribute the Software; (b) to modify any source code as part
of Software(if
any) and sublicense, distribute such modifications.
Except as expressively authorized by Rockchip in writing, you
may NOT:
(a) decompile, reverse-engineer, dissemble, or attempt to derive
any source
code from the Software;
(b) remove or obscure any copyright, patent, or trademark
statement or notices
contained in the Software.
Those exclusions might make it hard for folks to come up with free
implementations, though. :(
live well,
vagrant
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<p>Hi Christopher,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025/3/22 09:58, Christopher Obbard
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<div>Hi Vagrant and Kever,<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 Mar 2025, 18:22
Vagrant Cascadian, <<a href="mailto:
vagrant@debian.org"
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vagrant@debian.org</a>>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On
2023-08-31, Christopher Obbard wrote:<br>
> Package name : rkbin<br>
> Version : 0.0.0~git20230726.b4558da<br>
> Upstream Contact: Kever Yang <<a
href="mailto:
kever.yang@rock-chips.com" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
kever.yang@rock-chips.com</a>><br>
> URL : <a
href="
https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rkbin"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rkbin</a><br>
> License : Copyright © 2017-2023，Rockchip
Electronics Co.,<br>
> Ltd. All rights reserved.<br>
> Programming Lang: n/a; prebuilt firmware binaries<br>
> Description : Pre-built Rockchip bootloader
firmware binaries (for embedded targets)<br>
><br>
> This package contains the Rockchip bootloader
firmware binaries, primarily<br>
> used for targets where no open-source versions is yet
released.<br>
> The pre-built firmware consists of builds of Arm
Trusted Firmware, OP-TEE<br>
> and U-Boot. There are also some closed-source tools
in this repo, build for<br>
> amd64. These will be stripped from the upstream
source package as I do<br>
> not (yet) see a need for these.<br>
<br>
> This package is required to build U-Boot for some
embedded targets such as<br>
> rk3588, rk3566, rk3568. All of these will eventually
have open-source<br>
> firmware, but it is still useful for new processors
in the future where<br>
> U-Boot support will be merged long before the initial
DRAM bringup and<br>
> trusted firmware.<br>
<br>
Arm Trusted Firmware for some of these rk35xx variants is
now supported<br>
in the Debian packaging and upstream. I think the only
thing left for<br>
rk3588 is the DDR training binaries from rkbin:<br>
<br>
<a href="
https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2024/02/21/almost-a-fully-open-source-boot-chain-for-rockchips-rk3588/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2024/02/21/almost-a-fully-open-source-boot-chain-for-rockchips-rk3588/</a><br>
<br>
Not sure about the other rk35xx variants.<br>
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<div dir="auto">@Kever I wonder if rockchip plan to open source
the RAM training into u-boot like other platforms?</div>
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<p>I have check internally for this topic, there is no plan for open
source the ddr init binary recently for rk35xx SoCs.</p>
<p>Rockchip already provide the source based ddrbin_tool to modify
the ddr binary with all the possible</p>
<p>parameter which may need by customers.<br>
</p>
<p>So it would be better for the rkbin can merge into the Debian
non-free-firmware package. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>- Kever<br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAP03Xeo3=R=0KR=wp+rE8SQT6FS_wvUz4wft+ik5w=j8=
LAAxg@mail.gmail.com">
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<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">This would remove need for rbkin in Debian.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">PS: I don't have time to look at packaging robin
until the late summer. If someone else wishes to do it, I'd
happily help with reviewing and sponsor an upload into
Debian.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Chris</div>
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<br>
<br>
> I expect this package will go into non-free-firmware.<br>
<br>
I *think* this license looks plausible for
non-free-firmware:<br>
<br>
<a href="
https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rkbin/blob/master/LICENSE"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rkbin/blob/master/LICENSE</a><br>
<br>
Rockchip hereby grants to you a non-exclusive license
(a) to use, copy,<br>
distribute the Software; (b) to modify any source code
as part of Software(if<br>
any) and sublicense, distribute such modifications.<br>
Except as expressively authorized by Rockchip in
writing, you may NOT:<br>
(a) decompile, reverse-engineer, dissemble, or attempt
to derive any source<br>
code from the Software;<br>
(b) remove or obscure any copyright, patent, or
trademark statement or notices<br>
contained in the Software.<br>
<br>
Those exclusions might make it hard for folks to come up
with free<br>
implementations, though. :(<br>
<br>
<br>
live well,<br>
vagrant<br>
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