Seriously don't know why I'm on this list, I run OpenCV and we're just
focused on finding other places in Europe for our Russians and Ukrainians
to work. People fight (as we see, there and here) and people maximally
accuse -- one doesn't just have a different opinion or lack cultural fit,
one embodies the spirt of Satan. And... some people are indeed evil. I
don't know what the case is here -- but I like and use Debian. Wish you efficiency and success in sorting this out in a minimally contentious way. Think long term -- we have people who were on a short vacation and are
probably never returning home.
On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 10:26 AM Daniel Pocock <
daniel@pocock.pro> wrote:
Felix, Hideki, Jonathan,
The message was sent to you all as candidates and you can each answer
for yourself
Jonathan Carter's attempt to obstruct it in his capacity as outgoing
leader is an abuse of the role of DPL. It is even worse because he is a candidate. You each have the right to answer for yourself.
Jonathan is from South Africa. His response admits that he has brought Apartheid tactics to Debian. Banning people is straight out of the
Apartheid playbook, that is fact:
https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/list-people-banned-under-apartheid
Regards,
Daniel
On 19/03/2022 11:36, Jonathan Carter wrote:
Daniel, you have been kicked out and consequently banned entirely from
the project due to your behaviour and continued poor behaviour. You are
not welcome or allowed in Debian, which includes our mailing lists,
other communication channels or in-person events. And we will certainly
not apologise to you for the harassment that you have caused to our
project members and volunteers.
For anyone else, our public statement remains at:
https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20211117
-Jonathan
On 2022/03/19 11:28, Daniel Pocock wrote:
Felix, Hideki, Jonathan
You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election
In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of
Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically
and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other
problems in Debian.
Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated >> with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that
are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers
and interns, past and present.
This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from
the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No
subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb
misused this position.
Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in
disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian.
The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that >> overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles
amounts to harassment[3].
As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than
stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born
out of the leadership post you hope to occupy?
Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people?
Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian?
Regards,
Daniel
1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html
2.
https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html
3. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/
--
Debian Developer
https://danielpocock.com
<div dir="ltr">Seriously don't know why I'm on this list, I run OpenCV and we're just focused on finding other places in Europe for our Russians and Ukrainians to work. People fight (as we see, there and here) and people maximally accuse --
one doesn't just have a different opinion or lack cultural fit, one embodies the spirt of Satan. And... some people are indeed evil. I don't know what the case is here -- but I like and use Debian. Wish you efficiency and success in sorting
this out in a minimally contentious way. Think long term -- we have people who were on a short vacation and are probably never returning home.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 10:26 AM Daniel
Pocock <<a href="mailto:
daniel@pocock.pro">
daniel@pocock.pro</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Felix, Hideki, Jonathan,<br>
The message was sent to you all as candidates and you can each answer<br>
for yourself<br>
Jonathan Carter's attempt to obstruct it in his capacity as outgoing<br> leader is an abuse of the role of DPL. It is even worse because he is a<br> candidate. You each have the right to answer for yourself.<br>
Jonathan is from South Africa. His response admits that he has brought<br> Apartheid tactics to Debian. Banning people is straight out of the<br> Apartheid playbook, that is fact:<br>
<a href="
https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/list-people-banned-under-apartheid" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/list-people-banned-under-apartheid</a><br>
Regards,<br>
Daniel<br>
On 19/03/2022 11:36, Jonathan Carter wrote:<br>
> Daniel, you have been kicked out and consequently banned entirely from<br> > the project due to your behaviour and continued poor behaviour. You are<br>
> not welcome or allowed in Debian, which includes our mailing lists,<br> > other communication channels or in-person events. And we will certainly<br>
> not apologise to you for the harassment that you have caused to our<br> > project members and volunteers.<br>
> <br>
> For anyone else, our public statement remains at:<br>
> <br>
> <a href="
https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20211117" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20211117</a><br>
> <br>
> -Jonathan<br>
> <br>
> On 2022/03/19 11:28, Daniel Pocock wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Felix, Hideki, Jonathan<br>
>><br>
>> You all nominated as candidates in the Debian election<br> >><br>
>> In August 2018 I publicly resigned from mentoring the Google Summer of<br>
>> Code internships. My resignation email[1] was written diplomatically<br>
>> and did not contain any hints about the intern relationships and other<br>
>> problems in Debian.<br>
>><br>
>> Over four years since my polite resignation, rogue volunteers associated<br>
>> with Debian have been making attacks through emails and web sites that<br>
>> are causing harm to reputations, families, careers of both volunteers<br>
>> and interns, past and present.<br>
>><br>
>> This culture of attacks was cultivated by a series of emails sent from<br>
>> the leadership role in 2018 when Chris Lamb occupied that position. No<br>
>> subsequent leader has shown any remorse or contrition for the way Lamb<br>
>> misused this position.<br>
>><br>
>> Other volunteers, for example, Dr Norbert Preining, have resigned[2] in<br>
>> disgust at the same culture crisis in Debian.<br>
>><br>
>> The recent legal verdict against Red Hat, Inc has explicitly stated that<br>
>> overbearing and controlling tendencies of people in leadership roles<br>
>> amounts to harassment[3].<br>
>><br>
>> As a leader, can you identify anything that is more important than<br> >> stopping, retracting and apologizing for these vendettas that were born<br>
>> out of the leadership post you hope to occupy?<br>
>><br>
>> Will you publicly denounce the culture of denouncing people?<br> >><br>
>> Does anybody else support an end to hostilities in Debian?<br> >><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Daniel<br>
>><br>
>> 1. <a href="
https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/2018/08/msg00108.html</a><br>
>> 2.<br>
>> <a href="
https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html</a><
>><br>
>> 3. <a href="
https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/red_hat_fedotra/</a><br>
> <br>
-- <br>
Debian Developer<br>
<a href="
https://danielpocock.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://danielpocock.com</a><br>
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