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    From mooff@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 12 23:10:01 2021
    IMO, many human hours will be lost by the decision not to include
    procps in the default cloud images.

    I understand it could be a security measure, but maybe stubs could be
    offered which name the package we want (procps)

    Tracing my third call to apt-file search bin/ps ;)

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  • From Paul Wise@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 13 03:10:01 2021
    On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 9:00 PM mooff wrote:

    IMO, many human hours will be lost by the decision not to include
    procps in the default cloud images.

    I think that `reportbug cloud.debian.org` would be the place to
    discuss this. I note that procps is Priority: important and
    debootstrap installs priority required/important packages by default,
    so either something went wrong or the image build process is using the
    minbase variant or deliberately removing props after install.

    https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud#How_to_contribute

    --
    bye,
    pabs

    https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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  • From Noah Meyerhans@21:1/5 to mooff on Mon Sep 13 20:30:01 2021
    On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 09:33:54PM +0100, mooff wrote:
    IMO, many human hours will be lost by the decision not to include procps in the default cloud images.

    I understand it could be a security measure, but maybe stubs could be
    offered which name the package we want (procps)

    Tracing my third call to apt-file search bin/ps ;)

    What cloud images are you looking at? The images built by the Debian
    cloud team *do* include procps. See the manifests for (some of) the
    current bullseye images, all of which indicate that procps is included:

    https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-ec2-arm64.json https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-generic-amd64.json
    https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-azure-amd64.json

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  • From mooff@21:1/5 to noahm@debian.org on Mon Sep 13 22:20:01 2021
    I might have been imprecise in saying 'cloud' images, but I mean:

    $ docker run -it --rm debian:bullseye bash
    root@3ee3e7c4ce62:/# ps
    bash: ps: command not found
    root@3ee3e7c4ce62:/#

    I think that `reportbug cloud.debian.org` would be the > place to
    discuss this

    Thanks Paul. I wasn't sure where to send it.

    On Mon, Sep 13 2021 at 11:21:29 -0700, Noah Meyerhans
    <noahm@debian.org> wrote:
    On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 09:33:54PM +0100, mooff wrote:
    IMO, many human hours will be lost by the decision not to include
    procps in
    the default cloud images.

    I understand it could be a security measure, but maybe stubs could
    be
    offered which name the package we want (procps)

    Tracing my third call to apt-file search bin/ps ;)

    What cloud images are you looking at? The images built by the Debian
    cloud team *do* include procps. See the manifests for (some of) the
    current bullseye images, all of which indicate that procps is
    included:

    https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-ec2-arm64.json
    https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-generic-amd64.json
    https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-azure-amd64.json

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  • From Ross Vandegrift@21:1/5 to mooff on Tue Sep 14 08:40:02 2021
    On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 08:59:25PM +0100, mooff wrote:
    I might have been imprecise in saying 'cloud' images, but I mean:

    $ docker run -it --rm debian:bullseye bash
    root@3ee3e7c4ce62:/# ps
    bash: ps: command not found
    root@3ee3e7c4ce62:/#

    I think that `reportbug cloud.debian.org` would be the > place to discuss
    this

    Thanks Paul. I wasn't sure where to send it.

    In this case, it's not correct - the cloud team doesn't produce the
    debian docker images. There's support info on the docker hub page: https://hub.docker.com/_/debian

    Ross

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  • From Noah Meyerhans@21:1/5 to mooff on Tue Sep 14 08:40:03 2021
    On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 08:59:25PM +0100, mooff wrote:
    I might have been imprecise in saying 'cloud' images, but I mean:

    $ docker run -it --rm debian:bullseye bash
    root@3ee3e7c4ce62:/# ps
    bash: ps: command not found
    root@3ee3e7c4ce62:/#

    That is not a cloud image.

    I think that `reportbug cloud.debian.org` would be the > place to discuss
    this

    Thanks Paul. I wasn't sure where to send it.

    Since container images are not published by the cloud team, this would not
    be the right place to send this.

    I believe that the people publishing container images want issues raised
    on GitHub at https://github.com/debuerreotype/docker-debian-artifacts

    In my opinion, leaving procps out of the base container images is a
    reasonable decision. They're typically used as the basis for application-specific images, recipes for which typically pull in
    whatever packages are necessary or helpful for supporting the
    application's deployment. Populating the base images with packages that
    aren't strictly necessary is undesirable, and I'd argue that it would be roughly equivalent to Debian packages declaring a Depends relationship
    on a package that they don't strictly depend on.

    noah

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  • From Paul Wise@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 14 09:00:02 2021
    On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 8:15 PM mooff wrote:

    I might have been imprecise in saying 'cloud' images, but I mean:
    $ docker run -it --rm debian:bullseye bash
    ...
    I think that `reportbug cloud.debian.org` would be the > place to
    discuss this

    I don't think the docker images are produced by the Debian cloud team
    (but are produced by Debian members IIRC) and I don't think they meet
    the requirements for being called official Debian images.

    https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DPL/OfficialImages

    --
    bye,
    pabs

    https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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  • From Michal Politowski@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 14 09:00:04 2021
    Dnia Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:59:25 +0100, mooff napisał(a):
    I might have been imprecise in saying 'cloud' images, but I mean:

    $ docker run -it --rm debian:bullseye bash
    root@3ee3e7c4ce62:/# ps
    bash: ps: command not found
    root@3ee3e7c4ce62:/#

    Then, https://hub.docker.com/_/debian says:
    "Where to file issues: https://github.com/debuerreotype/docker-debian-artifacts/issues"

    And there we have: https://github.com/debuerreotype/docker-debian-artifacts/issues/20
    -- "Missing procps package or feature?"


    I think that `reportbug cloud.debian.org` would be the > place to discuss
    this

    Thanks Paul. I wasn't sure where to send it.

    On Mon, Sep 13 2021 at 11:21:29 -0700, Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> wrote:
    On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 09:33:54PM +0100, mooff wrote:
    IMO, many human hours will be lost by the decision not to include
    procps in
    the default cloud images.

    I understand it could be a security measure, but maybe stubs could
    be
    offered which name the package we want (procps)

    Tracing my third call to apt-file search bin/ps ;)

    What cloud images are you looking at? The images built by the Debian
    cloud team *do* include procps. See the manifests for (some of) the current bullseye images, all of which indicate that procps is included:

    https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-ec2-arm64.json
    https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-generic-amd64.json
    https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/latest/debian-11-azure-amd64.json



    --
    Michał Politowski
    Talking has been known to lead to communication if practiced carelessly.

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