is it via ChatGPT or an llm self hosted ?

Can we imagine having a Debian hosted computer with and AMD GPU dedicated to this use case ?

Se should provide these summaries letter for most of our mailing list :)

cheers

Fred

----- Le 9 Nov 24, à 14:09, Hector Oron zumbi@debian.org a écrit :

Hello Lumin,

El sáb, 9 nov 2024 a las 10:27, DebGPT (<lumin@debian.org>) escribió:

This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from
debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you want to try.

First time I see this kind of email, I thought time ago that'd be a
really cool use of AI, to produce a summary of mailing lists - since I struggle to read everything.

I just want to thank you for putting this together and, at least from
my side, this is very much appreciated.

Regards
--
Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.

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Hello Lumin,

El sáb, 9 nov 2024 a las 10:27, DebGPT (<lumin@debian.org>) escribió:

This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you want to try.

First time I see this kind of email, I thought time ago that'd be a
really cool use of AI, to produce a summary of mailing lists - since I
struggle to read everything.

I just want to thank you for putting this together and, at least from
my side, this is very much appreciated.

Regards
--
Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.

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On 2024-11-09 14:19:53 +0100 (+0100), PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote:

is it via ChatGPT or an llm self hosted ?

[...]

It's DebGPT: https://salsa.debian.org/deeplearning-team/debgpt
--
Jeremy Stanley

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The LLM I used to produce that exact news report was gpt-4o-mini,
from openai. ChatGPT is the name of openai's LLM web interface and
its underlying LLM model name could change. It took roughly 3
minutes to perform the bulk API calls.

That said, I basically implemented support for all commonly seen
LLM inference services:

(4 commercial ones)
  openai, anthropic, google, xai,
(4 self-hosted)
  llamafile, ollama, vllm, zmq (built-in but kind of outdated.)

Other services missing from the list are also supported as long
as it has compatibility mode to the openai api.

For the particular use case like summarizing a mailing list, self-hosted
one will be much slower to respond to the bulk API call unless it is
hosted on a GPU cluster :-)

Small LLMs are not necessarily smart enough. The open llm leaderboard[3]
is a good reference for figuring out the best open-access llm for
self-hosting.

In terms of "Debian hosted computer with AMD GPU for LLM inference" --
that is exactly one of the long term goals of debian deep learning
team (debian-ai@l.d.o). Team members are working to prepare the ROCm
packages and the ROCm version of pytorch.

I find ollama[1] and llamafile[2] quite handy to use locally if do not
mind using software from outside of debian archive, with a spare GPU.

[1] https://github.com/ollama/ollama
[2] https://github.com/Mozilla-Ocho/llamafile
[3] https://huggingface.co/spaces/open-llm-leaderboard/open_llm_leaderboard


On 11/9/24 05:19, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote:

is it via ChatGPT or an llm self hosted ?

Can we imagine having a Debian hosted computer with and AMD GPU dedicated to this use case ?

Se should provide these summaries letter for most of our mailing list :)

cheers

Fred

----- Le 9 Nov 24, à 14:09, Hector Oron zumbi@debian.org a écrit :

Hello Lumin,

El sáb, 9 nov 2024 a las 10:27, DebGPT (<lumin@debian.org>) escribió:

This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from
debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you want to try.

First time I see this kind of email, I thought time ago that'd be a
really cool use of AI, to produce a summary of mailing lists - since I
struggle to read everything.

I just want to thank you for putting this together and, at least from
my side, this is very much appreciated.

Regards
--
Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.

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I just realized that the news report could be more useful if it cites
the information source. Here we go:

debgpt -Hx ldo:debian-devel/2024/10 -a 'write a news report based on the provided information. Cover as many topics as possible. You may expand a
little bit on important matter. include links to the report.' --no-render

BTW, which mailing lists should I cover with those montly reports?
I currently tried on debian-ai, debian-devel, and debian-science.

------------------------------------------------------------------
THE FOLLOWING CONTENTS ARE GENERATED BY AI ------------------------------------------------------------------

### Recent Developments in the Debian Community: A Snapshot

**Date:** October 31, 2024

The Debian development community has seen a flurry of activity in recent
weeks, marked by new package proposals, discussions concerning
architecture support, and enhancements in package management practices. Here’s a comprehensive overview of the latest developments.

#### New Package Proposals for Tryton

Developer Mathias Behrle has put forth several promising new modules for
the Tryton application platform, which is gaining traction in business
and healthcare sectors. The proposed modules include:

- **tryton-modules-account-invoice-watermark**: This module introduces
the ability to add watermarks to invoices, enhancing document authenticity.
- **tryton-modules-marketing-campaign**: Aimed at improving marketing
efforts, this module facilitates the collection and analysis of data
related to campaigns.
- **tryton-modules-account-stock-shipment-cost**: This module allows for
the allocation of shipment costs based on invoices, streamlining
financial processes.
- **tryton-modules-document-incoming-invoice**: This innovative module automates the creation of supplier invoices from incoming documents,
improving efficiency.

These proposals signify a strong commitment to bolstering the
functionalities of the Tryton platform. For more details, visit [Tryton Downloads](https://downloads.tryton.org/7.0).

#### Lomiri Applications Packaging

In a parallel effort, Mike Gabriel has commenced the packaging of
several applications designed for the Lomiri operating environment,
which is essential to the Ubuntu Touch mobile OS. Key applications being packaged include:

- **Lomiri Address Book App**: A user-friendly application for managing contacts.
- **Lomiri Dialer App**: An application providing essential telephony
features.
- **Lomiri Messaging App**: A messaging platform facilitating seamless communication.

These applications aim to significantly enhance the user experience
within the Lomiri environment. Further information can be found in the
[Debian Development Mailing List](https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/10/msg00368.html).

#### Discussions on s390x Architecture Support

A significant topic of discussion has been the future of the s390x
architecture in Debian. Developer Chris Hofstaedtler has raised concerns regarding the dwindling number of active maintainers and a growing
number of packages that do not support s390x. The community is currently evaluating the viability of continuing support for this architecture, especially in light of IBM's involvement and commitment to maintaining
s390x. For more insights, see the ongoing discussion [here](https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/10/msg00295.html).

#### Challenges with Lintian and Package Uploads

The community continues to address challenges associated with Lintian,
the Debian package checker. Recent issues concerning license compliance
in the `warzone2100` package have sparked discussions on how to manage
Lintian overrides more effectively. Developers are actively exploring
solutions to streamline the package upload process and minimize
friction. More information is available [here](https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/10/msg00203.html).

#### Upcoming Changes and Improvements

In a bid to enhance package management practices, the Debian community
is focusing on refining the Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) process.
Developers are advocating for standardized workflows that would improve collaboration and efficiency, ultimately reducing confusion and workload
for maintainers. For further details on NMUs, check out the discussion [here](https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/10/msg00276.html).

#### Technical Updates and Backlogs

Colin Watson has confirmed that the Debian upload server is currently
facing delays due to a backlog caused by a mass rebuild for Pointer Authentication (PAC) and Branch Target Identification (BTI) support.
Developers are advised to anticipate longer processing times for uploads
during this period. For updates on the upload delays, refer to the
discussion
[here](https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/10/msg00365.html).

### Conclusion

These developments highlight the vibrant and dynamic nature of the
Debian community, characterized by ongoing efforts to enhance software offerings, improve user experiences, and address architectural support challenges. The collaborative spirit remains robust as developers work
together to navigate these changes and continue to uphold the principles
of software freedom.

For more detailed reports and discussions, please refer to the [Debian Development mailing list archives](https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/).


On 11/9/24 07:51, Mo Zhou wrote:

The LLM I used to produce that exact news report was gpt-4o-mini,
from openai. ChatGPT is the name of openai's LLM web interface and
its underlying LLM model name could change. It took roughly 3
minutes to perform the bulk API calls.

That said, I basically implemented support for all commonly seen
LLM inference services:

(4 commercial ones)
  openai, anthropic, google, xai,
(4 self-hosted)
  llamafile, ollama, vllm, zmq (built-in but kind of outdated.)

Other services missing from the list are also supported as long
as it has compatibility mode to the openai api.

For the particular use case like summarizing a mailing list, self-hosted
one will be much slower to respond to the bulk API call unless it is
hosted on a GPU cluster :-)

Small LLMs are not necessarily smart enough. The open llm leaderboard[3]
is a good reference for figuring out the best open-access llm for self-hosting.

In terms of "Debian hosted computer with AMD GPU for LLM inference" --
that is exactly one of the long term goals of debian deep learning
team (debian-ai@l.d.o). Team members are working to prepare the ROCm
packages and the ROCm version of pytorch.

I find ollama[1] and llamafile[2] quite handy to use locally if do not
mind using software from outside of debian archive, with a spare GPU.

[1] https://github.com/ollama/ollama
[2] https://github.com/Mozilla-Ocho/llamafile
[3]
https://huggingface.co/spaces/open-llm-leaderboard/open_llm_leaderboard

On 11/9/24 05:19, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote:

is it via ChatGPT or an llm self hosted ?

Can we imagine having a Debian hosted computer with and AMD GPU
dedicated to this use case ?

Se should provide these summaries letter for most of our mailing list :)

cheers

Fred

----- Le 9 Nov 24, à 14:09, Hector Oron zumbi@debian.org a écrit :

Hello Lumin,

El sáb, 9 nov 2024 a las 10:27, DebGPT (<lumin@debian.org>) escribió: >>>> This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from

debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you want to try.

First time I see this kind of email, I thought time ago that'd be a
really cool use of AI, to produce a summary of mailing lists - since I
struggle to read everything.

I just want to thank you for putting this together and, at least from
my side, this is very much appreciated.

Regards
--
  Héctor Orón  -.. . -... .. .- -.   -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.

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On Sat Nov 9, 2024 at 10:00 PM CET, Mo Zhou wrote:

I just realized that the news report could be more useful if it cites
the information source. Here we go:

thanks! the links are really key, given the known hallucination issues of LLMs

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lumin@debian.org wrote:

I just realized that the news report could be more useful if it cites
the information source. Here we go:

debgpt -Hx ldo:debian-devel/2024/10 -a 'write a news report based on the >provided information. Cover as many topics as possible. You may expand a >little bit on important matter. include links to the report.' --no-render

BTW, which mailing lists should I cover with those montly reports?
I currently tried on debian-ai, debian-devel, and debian-science.

Please, no further. We don't need hallucinated summaries on our
lists. If you want to publish them, publish them somewhere separately
IMHO.

--
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky,
Tongue-tied & twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I...

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The tone can change: http://paste.debian.net/1335055/
LLMs are being improved rapidly over time.

I guess it's due to some potential safety issues so that LLM uses a dull corporate tone by default. Those models should have been trained on
different tones, as long as we instruct it to use them.

On 11/9/24 14:27, G. Branden Robinson wrote:

At 2024-11-09T21:44:40+0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Please, no further. We don't need hallucinated summaries on our
lists. If you want to publish them, publish them somewhere separately
IMHO.

Oh, good--since it's not a CoC violation to express an unflattering
opinion of this experiment, did anyone notice how deadly dull the prose
style is? It's like the LLM had been trained solely on corporate press releases.

I miss the Joeys.

Regards,
Branden

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Thanks a lot Mo for this exciting experiment!

And having two ex-DPLs pressing the big red stop button is not
necessarly a bad sign in an ageing project. Often you will see ideas
rejected in a very dismissive if not insulting way (for example
source-only uploads or HTTPS URLs in /etc/apt/sources.list), and a
couple of years later they are mainstream!

What do people do when there is a long thread on debian-devel,
debian-project, debian-private or the like? Well, what I do is that I
check the first ~6 messages and then cherry-pick 3 or 4 answers deeper
in the thread from, for instance Andreas, Russ, Stefano, and maybe also
Steve and Branden to broaden my perspectives, and the rest I do not
read. It means: people with little reputation have little chance to
contribute original points of view to Debian unless they jump on the
keyboard as fast as they can, which does not increase the quality of the discussion and biases against people who are in non-mainstream timezones
and who are slower to write in English.

Our mailing lists were a ground-breaking technological avance in the
past that would open Debian to the whole World, but now are they not
working exactly against that?

I see a big transformative potential for our future discussions: even if
a crowd is shouting circular arguments around, we can use AI to reassure participants that original point of views can have good chances to be
part of a summary. Taking the effort to contribute is rewarded. This
can change Debian considerably. So please, more DebGPT summaries !

Have a nice week-end,

Charles

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Hi Charles,

On 11/9/24 15:48, Charles Plessy wrote:

Thanks a lot Mo for this exciting experiment!

And having two ex-DPLs pressing the big red stop button is not
necessarly a bad sign in an ageing project. Often you will see ideas rejected in a very dismissive if not insulting way (for example
source-only uploads or HTTPS URLs in /etc/apt/sources.list), and a
couple of years later they are mainstream!

Those new technologies are sure to make more impact in the future. We
need to find a proper place where people are comforatable with LLM
noises. Currently it seems to me posting AI-generated news on the main
mailing lists leads to a "pollution effect" -- LLM will grab its report
from the last month If I don't mention it...

What do people do when there is a long thread on debian-devel, debian-project, debian-private or the like? Well, what I do is that I
check the first ~6 messages and then cherry-pick 3 or 4 answers deeper
in the thread from

I do more or less the same, or even worse -- keep them marked as unread
and see my unread mail in inbox go to 10k+. Those LLM tools, while
noisy, can still provide some help for me to keep me updated a little
bit -- to know what happened, what are being discussed and what is the conclusion.

The LLM reports are not quite accurate. But I still see value there --
as long as we ask it to provide URL citations to the information source,
I can still catch up something with minimum read.

I see a big transformative potential for our future discussions: even if
a crowd is shouting circular arguments around, we can use AI to reassure participants that original point of views can have good chances to be
part of a summary. Taking the effort to contribute is rewarded. This
can change Debian considerably. So please, more DebGPT summaries !

DebGPT is now more about a general terminal LLM tool which I develop
and use very frequently. Summarizing mailing list is just one of the
not yet announced new features. Efforts in exploring the way to make
LLM useful will continue.

While hallucinating too much, LLMs can still correctly
teach me how to use urwid (which I could never understand by going
through their tutorial many times...).
That leads to the `debgpt config` TUI configuration wizard.

Any suggestion on a place where I can safely direct those generated
contents, with the audience being comfortable with LLM noise? As noted
by the ex-DPLs, it should happen at a dedicated experiment ground.

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On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:48:21AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:

Our mailing lists were a ground-breaking technological avance in the
past that would open Debian to the whole World, but now are they not
working exactly against that?

first: citation needed.
second: summaries written by applied statistics systems will not help.
(also citation needed I guess.)

please post these summaries to a dedicated applied statistics summary

mailinglist, but please dont spam the original lists with this bot content.

btw, the signature below was choosen by an 'artificial intelligence'
system called fortune. it's so amazing and wise!!1


--
cheers,
Holger

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C
⠈⠳⣄

Smart things make us dumb.

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Hi,

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:24:19AM GMT, Holger Levsen wrote:

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:48:21AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:

Our mailing lists were a ground-breaking technological avance in the
past that would open Debian to the whole World, but now are they not working exactly against that?

first: citation needed.
second: summaries written by applied statistics systems will not help.
(also citation needed I guess.)

I'm glad I know Holger in person, so I can smile instead of feeling furious about this kind of input :-)

please post these summaries to a dedicated applied statistics summary

mailinglist, but please dont spam the original lists with this bot content.

Hmm... An opt-in llm-generated-monthly-digest mailinglist/feed/whatever... Not really a fan of this kind of content (yet?), but I believe that something like this could be seen as a fair balance between avoiding annoyance and providing a space for experimentation on the subject within Debian.

btw, the signature below was choosen by an 'artificial intelligence'
system called fortune. it's so amazing and wise!!1

See how this whole thing has its fun side. Let's just relax and play, responsibly(-ish). That said, please no LLM feeds in planet.d.o :p

+thanks lumin for all the effort and thought you have put into this.

Bests,

--
Tiago

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This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you want to try.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS AI-GENERATED CONTENT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

(pth25) ~/Git/debgpt ❯❯❯❯ debgpt -Hx ldo:debian-devel/2024/10 -a 'gather
interesting and important information from there and write a news
report. You may expand on important matter. Important matters include
but are not limited to technical discussions, incidents, critical bugs,
and heated discussions.'
[01:07:31] OpenAIFrontend> Starting conversation                
frontend.py:99
d9fb92a7-19ab-4dca-8fc5-4c642a5fadbc
[01:07:32] Got 369 threads from reader.py:470 https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/10/threads.
html.
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LLM[2]>
       Debian Community News: Key Developments and Technical Discussions

The Debian development community has been buzzing with activity, marked by significant technical discussions, critical bug reports, and proposals
aimed at
enhancing the Debian ecosystem. This report summarizes the most important developments from recent communications within the community.

                           New Package Introductions

One of the most notable advancements is the introduction of the libqt6pas package, which provides bindings for Qt6 in Pascal. This package is
expected to
streamline GUI development for Pascal applications, building on the
success of
its predecessor, libqtpas, which catered to Qt5. Additionally, a
proposal for
the esphome package has been submitted, designed to facilitate firmware creation for ESP32 and ESP8266 microcontrollers, thereby bolstering the integration of smart home technologies.

                        Critical Bugs and Urgent Issues

The community is currently grappling with several critical bugs that could impact the stability and performance of the Debian system:

 • dpkg-maintscript-helper Warnings: A contentious discussion has emerged
   regarding the firmware-sof-signed package upgrade process.
Developers are
   urged to investigate the warnings generated during the usrmerge transition,
   highlighting the complexities of package management that can affect
user
experiences.
 • Hanging fakeroot Package: A critical bug in the fakeroot package has been
   identified, causing it to hang and consume excessive CPU resources.
   Developer Chris Hofstaedtler has stressed the urgency of backporting fixes
   to prevent delays in software updates for the stable release,
indicating a
   pressing need for immediate action.
 • Lintian Dependency Management: Reports of installation issues with the
   Lintian package have surfaced, underscoring ongoing challenges with
   dependency management in Debian's unstable distribution, Sid. These issues
   are critical as they affect the ability of developers to maintain
package
integrity.

                  Technical Discussions on Package Management

The community has also engaged in important discussions regarding package management practices:

 • Signify Package Renaming: A proposal to rename the signify package to
   signify-mail has been put forth to eliminate confusion with the OpenBSD
   version. This highlights the importance of clear naming conventions in
   package management.
 • Future of i386 Architecture Support: Concerns have been raised about
the
   future of i386 architecture support, prompting suggestions for a more
   streamlined package removal process. This could alleviate the burden on
   developers and ensure more efficient package management.

                             Security Enhancements

In a move to bolster security, rebuilds for arm64 packages are planned to enable Pointer Authentication (PAC) and Branch Target Identification (BTI) support. These enhancements are crucial for maintaining a secure
environment
within the Debian ecosystem, reflecting the community's commitment to safeguarding user data and software integrity.

                      Compatibility Concerns with zlib-ng

Discussions have also centered around the compatibility of zlib-ng with existing software systems. Developers have raised critical concerns about backward compatibility, particularly its implications for widely-used applications such as nginx. Ensuring compatibility is vital for
maintaining the
seamless operation of software within the Debian environment.

                        New Module Proposals for Tryton

In a positive development, Mathias Behrle has submitted several
proposals for
new Tryton modules aimed at enhancing the platform's functionality. These proposals include modules for managing invoices, shipment costs, and
document
processing, showcasing a commitment to expanding Tryton's capabilities
within
the Debian ecosystem.

                    Community Engagement and Collaboration

The ongoing dialogues within the Debian community underscore a
collaborative
spirit as developers tackle technical challenges and work towards improving user experiences. The collective efforts to address critical bugs, enhance security, and expand software offerings reflect the community's
dedication to
maintaining the integrity and reliability of the Debian project.

As these developments continue to unfold, stakeholders are encouraged to
engage
in discussions and contribute to the ongoing enhancement of the Debian ecosystem. The active participation of the community is essential for navigating the complexities of package management and ensuring the
continued
success of Debian as a leading free software distribution.

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Hello,

On Sun 10 Nov 2024 at 08:24am GMT, Holger Levsen wrote:

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:48:21AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:

Our mailing lists were a ground-breaking technological avance in the
past that would open Debian to the whole World, but now are they not
working exactly against that?

first: citation needed.
second: summaries written by applied statistics systems will not help.
(also citation needed I guess.)

please post these summaries to a dedicated applied statistics summary

mailinglist, but please dont spam the original lists with this bot content.

I would prefer this, and with a disclaimer at the top of every post saying:

- that it's not pre-vetted by project representatives

- briefly describing the issue of hallucination, and that readers are
strongly advised to follow up on links before relying on any
information.

-- outside readers may not be as suspicious of LLMs as many of us
are, so it is good for us to remind them.

--------

If I am being honest, I would prefer these were not generated and posted
at all. I'm sorry that I feel I have to be discouraging, as I know you
want to use these tools in a way that is compatible with Debian's values.

But doesn't it seem like we're trying to apply a technical solution,
with many well-known shortcomings, to a social problem? That problem
is, we should be more disciplined about writing less.

One of our conduct documents even has this as one of its points: that we
should continually bear in mind the many demands on everyone's time.

--
Sean Whitton

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lumin@debian.org wrote:

While hallucinating too much, LLMs can still correctly
teach me how to use urwid (which I could never understand by going
through their tutorial many times...).
That leads to the `debgpt config` TUI configuration wizard.

Any suggestion on a place where I can safely direct those generated
contents, with the audience being comfortable with LLM noise? As noted
by the ex-DPLs, it should happen at a dedicated experiment ground.

A few suggestions:

* Maybe the debian-ai list?

* Publish via your own space on people.debian.org for now and tell
people to look there.

* Set up ai-summary.debian.net and post there, alongside suitable
disclaimer text.

--
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky,
Tongue-tied & twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I...

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