On Sat, Jan 08, 2022 at 08:20:18PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Hi everyone,
As previously discussed, and given that there has been no further
discussion, I am calling for a vote on the general resolution on the
Debian resolution process, using the ballot currently on the web site at https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003 (last modified 2021-12-25). I believe the first option matches the text that I previously sent to the
list and formally accepted, and the second option listed there matches the last text circulated by Wouter.
I propose the following for the short ballot text:
Choice 1: Amend resolution process, set maximum discussion period
Choice 2: Amend resolution process, allow extension of discussion period
Here is the draft ballot:
Voting period starts 2022-01-15 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2022-01-28 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on changing the resolution process.
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at
https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact
secretary@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003
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[ ] Choice 1: Amend resolution process, set maximum discussion period
[ ] Choice 2: Amend resolution process, allow extension of discussion period
[ ] Choice 3: Further Discussion
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BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: Amend resolution process, set maximum discussion period =================================================================
Rationale
=========
We have uncovered several problems with the current constitutional
mechanism for preparing a Technical Committee resolution or General
Resolution for vote:
* The timing of calling for a vote is discretionary and could be used
strategically to cut off discussion while others were preparing
additional ballot options.
* The original proposer of a GR has special control over the timing of the
vote, which could be used strategically to the disadvantage of other
ballot options.
* The description of the process for adding and managing additional ballot
options is difficult to understand.
* The current default choice of "further discussion" for a General
Resolution has implications beyond rejecting the other options that may,
contrary to its intent, discourage people Developers ranking it above
options they wish to reject.
The actual or potential implications of these problems caused conflict in
the Technical Committee systemd vote and in GRs 2019-002 and 2021-002,
which made it harder for the project to reach a fair and widely-respected result.
This constitutional change attempts to address those issues by
* separating the Technical Committee process from the General Resolution
process since they have different needs;
* requiring (passive) consensus among TC members that a resolution is
ready to proceed to a vote;
* setting a maximum discussion period for a TC resolution and then
triggering a vote;
* setting a maximum discussion period for a GR so that the timing of the
vote is predictable;
* extending the GR discussion period automatically if the ballot changes;
* modifying the GR process to treat all ballot options equally, with a
clearer process for addition, withdrawal, and amendment;
* changing the default option for a GR to "none of the above"; and
* clarifying the discretion extended to the Project Secretary.
It also corrects a technical flaw that left the outcome of the vote for Technical Committee Chair undefined in the event of a tie, and clarifies responsibilities should the Technical Committee put forward a General Resolution under §4.2.1.
Effect of the General Resolution
================================
The Debian Developers, by way of General Resolution, amend the Debian constitution under §4.1.2 as follows. This General Resolution
requires a 3:1 majority.
Section 4.2.1
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Replace "amendment" with "ballot option."
Section 4.2.4
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Strike the sentence "The minimum discussion period is 2 weeks, but may be varied by up to 1 week by the Project Leader." (A modified version of
this provision is added to §A below.) Add to the end of this paragraph:
The default option is "None of the above."
Section 4.2.5
-------------
Replace "amendments" with "ballot options."
Section 5.1.5
-------------
Replace in its entirety with:
Propose General Resolutions and ballot options for General
Resolutions. When proposed by the Project Leader, sponsors for the
General Resolution or ballot option are not required; see §4.2.1.
Section 5.2.7
-------------
Replace "section §A.6" with "§A.5".
Section 6.1.7
-------------
Replace "section §A.6" with "§A.5".
Add to the end of this section:
There is no casting vote. If there are multiple options with no
defeats in the Schwartz set at the end of §A.5.8, the winner will
be randomly chosen from those options, via a mechanism chosen by the
Project Secretary.
Section 6.3
-----------
Replace 6.3.1 in its entirety with:
1. Resolution process.
The Technical Committee uses the following process to prepare a
resolution for vote:
1. Any member of the Technical Committee may propose a resolution.
This creates an initial two-option ballot, the other option
being the default option of "None of the above". The proposer
of the resolution becomes the proposer of the ballot option.
2. Any member of the Technical Committee may propose additional
ballot options or modify or withdraw a ballot option they
proposed.
3. If all ballot options except the default option are withdrawn,
the process is canceled.
4. Any member of the Technical Committee may call for a vote on the
ballot as it currently stands. This vote begins immediately, but
if any other member of the Technical Committee objects to
calling for a vote before the vote completes, the vote is
canceled and has no effect.
5. Two weeks after the original proposal the ballot is closed to
any changes and voting starts automatically. This vote cannot be
canceled.
6. If a vote is canceled under §6.3.1.4 later than 13 days after
the initial proposed resolution, the vote specified in §6.3.1.5
instead starts 24 hours after the time of cancellation. During
that 24 hour period, no one may call for a vote, but Technical
Committee members may make ballot changes under §6.3.1.2.
Add a new paragraph to the start of 6.3.2 following "Details regarding
voting":
Votes are decided by the vote counting mechanism described in
§A.5. The voting period lasts for one week or until the outcome is
no longer in doubt assuming no members change their votes,
whichever is shorter. Members may change their votes until the
voting period ends. There is a quorum of two. The Chair has a
casting vote. The default option is "None of the above".
Strike "The Chair has a casting vote." from the existing text and make the remaining text a separate, second paragraph.
In 6.3.3, replace "amendments" with "ballot options."
Add, at the end of 6.3, the following new section:
7. Proposing a general resolution.
When the Technical Committee proposes a general resolution or a
ballot option in a general resolution to the project under §4.2.1,
it may delegate (via resolution or other means agreed on by the
Technical Committee) the authority to withdraw, amend, or make
minor changes to the ballot option to one of its members. If it
does not do so, these decisions must be made by resolution of the
Technical Committee.
Section A
---------
Replace §A.0 through §A.5 in their entirety with:
A.0. Proposal
1. The formal procedure begins when a draft resolution is proposed and
sponsored, as specified in §4.2.1.
2. This draft resolution becomes a ballot option in an initial
two-option ballot, the other option being the default option, and
the proposer of the draft resolution becomes the proposer of that
ballot option.
A.1. Discussion and amendment
1. The discussion period starts when a draft resolution is proposed
and sponsored. The minimum discussion period is 2 weeks. The
maximum discussion period is 3 weeks.
2. A new ballot option may be proposed and sponsored according to the
requirements for a new resolution.
3. The proposer of a ballot option may amend that option provided that
none of the sponsors of that ballot option at the time the
amendment is proposed disagree with that change within 24 hours. If
any of them do disagree, the ballot option is left unchanged.
4. The addition of a ballot option or the change via an amendment of a
ballot option changes the end of the discussion period to be one
week from when that action was done, unless that would make the
total discussion period shorter than the minimum discussion period
or longer than the maximum discussion period. In the latter case,
the length of the discussion period is instead set to the maximum
discussion period.
5. The proposer of a ballot option may make minor changes to that
option (for example, typographical fixes, corrections of
inconsistencies, or other changes which do not alter the meaning),
providing no Developer objects within 24 hours. In this case the
length of the discussion period is not changed. If a Developer does
object, the change must instead be made via amendment under §A.1.3.
6. The Project Leader may, at any point in the process, increase or
decrease the minimum and maximum discussion period by up to 1 week
from their original values in §A.1.1, except that they may not do
so in a way that causes the discussion period to end within 48
hours of when this change is made. The length of the discussion
period is then recalculated as if the new minimum and maximum
lengths had been in place during all previous ballot changes under
§A.1.1 and §A.1.4.
7. The default option has no proposer or sponsors, and cannot be
amended or withdrawn.
A.2. Withdrawing ballot options
1. The proposer of a ballot option may withdraw. If they do, new
proposers may come forward to keep the ballot option alive, in
which case the first person to do so becomes the new proposer and
any others become sponsors if they aren't sponsors already. Any new
proposer or sponsors must meet the requirements for proposing or
sponsoring a new resolution.
2. A sponsor of a ballot option may withdraw.
3. If the withdrawal of the proposer and/or sponsors means that a
ballot option has no proposer or not enough sponsors to meet the
requirements for a new resolution, and 24 hours pass without this
being remedied by another proposer and/or sponsors stepping
forward, it is removed from the draft ballot. This does not change
the length of the discussion period.
4. If all ballot options except the default option are withdrawn, the
resolution is canceled and will not be voted on.
A.3. Calling for a vote
1. After the discussion period has ended, the Project Secretary will
publish the ballot and call for a vote. The Project Secretary may
do this immediately following the end of the discussion period and
must do so within seven days of the end of the discussion period.
2. The Project Secretary determines the order of ballot options and
their summaries used for the ballot. The Project Secretary may ask
the ballot option proposers to draft those summaries, and may
revise them for clarity at their discretion.
3. Minor changes to ballot options under §A.1.5 may only be made if at
least 24 hours remain in the discussion period, or if the Project
Secretary agrees the change does not alter the meaning of the
ballot option and (if it would do so) warrants delaying the
vote. The Project Secretary will allow 24 hours for objections
after any such change before issuing the call for a vote.
4. No new ballot options may be proposed, no ballot options may be
amended, and no proposers or sponsors may withdraw if less than 24
hours remain in the discussion period, unless this action
successfully extends the discussion period under §A.1.4 by at least
24 additional hours.
5. Actions to preserve the existing ballot may be taken within the
last 24 hours of the discussion period, namely a sponsor objecting
to an amendment under §A.1.3, a Developer objecting to a minor
change under §A.1.5, stepping forward as the proposer for an
existing ballot option whose original proposer has withdrawn it
under §A.2.1, or sponsoring an existing ballot option that has
fewer than the required number of sponsors because of the
withdrawal of a sponsor under §A.2.2.
6. The Project Secretary may make an exception to §A.3.4 and accept
changes to the ballot after they are no longer allowed, provided
that this is done at least 24 hours prior to the issuance of a call
for a vote. All other requirements for making a change to the
ballot must still be met. This is expected to be rare and should
only be done if the Project Secretary believes it would be harmful
to the best interests of the project for the change to not be made.
A.4. Voting procedure
1. Options which do not have an explicit supermajority requirement
have a 1:1 majority requirement. The default option does not have
any supermajority requirements.
2. The votes are counted according to the rules in §A.5.
3. In cases of doubt the Project Secretary shall decide on matters of
procedure.
Rename §A.6 to §A.5.
Replace the paragraph at the end of §A.6 (now §A.5) with:
When the vote counting mechanism of the Standard Resolution Procedure
is to be used, the text which refers to it must specify who has a
casting vote, the quorum, the default option, and any supermajority
requirement. The default option must not have any supermajority
requirements.
Choice 2: Amend resolution process, allow extension of discussion period
Rationale
=========
Much of the rationale of Russ' proposal still applies, and indeed this amendment builds on it. However, the way the timing works is different,
on purpose.
Our voting system, which neither proposal modifies, as a condorcet
voting mechanism, does not suffer directly from too many options on the
ballot. While it is desirable to make sure the number of options on the
ballot is not extremely high for reasons of practicality and voter
fatigue, it is nonetheless of crucial importance that all the *relevant* options are represented on the ballot, so that the vote outcome is not questioned for the mere fact that a particular option was not
represented on the ballot. Making this possible requires that there is sufficient time to discuss all relevant opinions.
Russ' proposal introduces a hard limit of 3 weeks to any and all ballot processes, assuming that that will almost always be enough, and relying
on withdrawing and restarting the voting process in extreme cases where
it turns out more time is needed; in Russ' proposal, doing so would
increase the discussion time by another two weeks at least (or one if
the DPL reduces the discussion time).
In controversial votes, I believe it is least likely for all ballot
proposers to be willing to use this escape hatch of withdrawing the vote
and restarting the process; and at the same time, controversial votes
are the most likely to need a lot of discussion to build a correct
ballot, which implies they would be most likely to need some extra time
-- though not necessarily two more weeks -- for the ballot to be
complete.
At the same time, I am not insensitive to arguments of predictability, diminishing returns, and process abuse which seem to be the main
arguments in favour of a hard time limit at three weeks.
For this reason, my proposal does not introduce a hard limit, and
*always* makes it theoretically possible to increase the discussion
time, but does so in a way that extending the discussion time becomes
harder and harder as time goes on. I believe it is better for the
constitution to allow a group of people to have a short amount of extra
time so they can finish their proposed ballot option, than to require
the full discussion period to be restarted through the withdrawal and
restart escape hatch. At the same time, this escape hatch is not
removed, although I expect it to be less likely to be used.
The proposed mechanism sets the initial discussion time to 1 week, but
allows it to be extended reasonably easily to 2 or 3 weeks, makes it
somewhat harder to reach 4 weeks, and makes it highly unlikely (but
still possible) to go beyond that.
Text of the GR
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The Debian Developers, by way of General Resolution, amend the Debian constitution under point 4.1.2 as follows. This General Resolution
requires a 3:1 majority.
Sections 4 through 7
--------------------
Copy from Russ' proposal, replacing cross-references to §A.5 by §A.6,
where relevant.
Section A
---------
Replace section A as per Russ' proposal, with the following changes:
A.1.1. Replace the sentence "The minimum discussion period is 2 weeks."
by "The initial discussion period is 1 week." Strike the sentence
"The maximum discussion period is 3 weeks".
A.1.4. Strike in its entirety
A.1.5. Rename to A.1.4, and strike the sentence "In this case the length
of the discussion period is not changed".
A.1.6. Strike in its entirety
A.1.7. Rename to A.1.5.
After A.2, insert:
A.3. Extending the discussion time.
1. When less than 48 hours remain in the discussion time, any Developer
may propose an extension to the discussion time, subject to the
limitations of §A.3.3. These extensions may be sponsored according to
the same rules that apply to new ballot options.
2. As soon as a time extension has received the required number of
sponsors, these sponsorships are locked in and cannot be withdrawn,
and the time extension is active.
3. When a time extension has received the required number of sponsors,
its proposers and sponsors may no longer propose or sponsor any
further time extension for the same ballot, and any further sponsors
for the same extension proposal will be ignored for the purpose of
this paragraph. In case of doubt, the Project Secretary decides how
the order of sponsorships is determined.
4. The first two successful time extensions will extend the discussion
time by one week; any further time extensions will extend the
discussion time by 72 hours.
5. Once the discussion time is longer than 4 weeks, any Developer may
object to further time extensions. Developers who have previously
proposed or sponsored a time extension may object as well. If the
number of objections outnumber the proposer and their sponsors,
including sponsors who will be ignored as per §A.3.3, the time
extension will not be active and the discussion time does not change.
6. Once the discussion time expires, any pending time extension
proposals that have not yet received their required number of
sponsors are null and void, and no further time extensions may be
proposed.
A.3. Rename to A.4.
A.3.6 (now A.4.6): replace 'A.3.4' by 'A.4.4'.
A.4. Rename to A.5.
A.4.2 (now A.5.2): replace '§A.5' by '§A.6'.
A.5. Rename (back) to A.6.
Choice 3: Further Discussion
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This is the default option. Rank this option higher than the unacceptable choices.
VOTE RESULTS
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