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  • [gentoo-dev] Add systemd/merged-usr profiles

    From Mike Gilbert@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 30 20:30:01 2022
    This patch series adds a "merged-usr" feature profile, and subprofiles
    for each systemd profile.

    As background: systemd upstream is preparing to drop support for
    split-usr systems soon. All systemd users on Gentoo will eventually
    need to migrate to a merged-usr system.

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  • From Jeff Gazso@21:1/5 to floppym@gentoo.org on Wed Aug 31 18:10:01 2022
    Just out of curiosity, how much pain is this likely to cause existing installations that will need to migrate from a split-usr setup to a
    merged-usr setup?

    On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:28 PM Mike Gilbert <floppym@gentoo.org> wrote:

    This patch series adds a "merged-usr" feature profile, and subprofiles
    for each systemd profile.

    As background: systemd upstream is preparing to drop support for
    split-usr systems soon. All systemd users on Gentoo will eventually
    need to migrate to a merged-usr system.




    <div dir="ltr">Just out of curiosity, how much pain is this likely to cause existing installations that will need to migrate from a split-usr setup to a merged-usr setup?<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug
    30, 2022 at 2:28 PM Mike Gilbert &lt;<a href="mailto:floppym@gentoo.org">floppym@gentoo.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This patch series
    adds a &quot;merged-usr&quot; feature profile, and subprofiles<br>
    for each systemd profile.<br>

    As background: systemd upstream is preparing to drop support for<br>
    split-usr systems soon. All systemd users on Gentoo will eventually<br>
    need to migrate to a merged-usr system.<br>


    </blockquote></div>

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  • From Jaco Kroon@21:1/5 to Jeff Gazso on Wed Aug 31 18:30:01 2022
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    Hi,

    That really depends.

    If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*} needs to
    now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install a very, very
    large number of hosts.

    Kind Regards,
    Jaco

    On 2022/08/31 18:01, Jeff Gazso wrote:

    Just out of curiosity, how much pain is this likely to cause existing installations that will need to migrate from a split-usr setup to a merged-usr setup?

    On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:28 PM Mike Gilbert <floppym@gentoo.org> wrote:

    This patch series adds a "merged-usr" feature profile, and subprofiles
    for each systemd profile.

    As background: systemd upstream is preparing to drop support for
    split-usr systems soon. All systemd users on Gentoo will eventually
    need to migrate to a merged-usr system.


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    <p>Hi,</p>
    <p>That really depends.</p>
    <p>If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*}
    needs to now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install
    a very, very large number of hosts.<br>
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    <p>Kind Regards,<br>
    Jaco<br>
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    <p>On 2022/08/31 18:01, Jeff Gazso wrote:</p>
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    <div dir="ltr">Just out of curiosity, how much pain is this likely
    to cause existing installations that will need to migrate from a
    split-usr setup to a merged-usr setup?<br>
    </div>
    <br>
    <div class="gmail_quote">
    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:28
    PM Mike Gilbert &lt;<a href="mailto:floppym@gentoo.org"
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    wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
    0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This
    patch series adds a "merged-usr" feature profile, and
    subprofiles<br>
    for each systemd profile.<br>
    <br>
    As background: systemd upstream is preparing to drop support
    for<br>
    split-usr systems soon. All systemd users on Gentoo will
    eventually<br>
    need to migrate to a merged-usr system.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
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  • From Mike Gilbert@21:1/5 to jeff.gazso@gmail.com on Wed Aug 31 18:30:01 2022
    On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:01 PM Jeff Gazso <jeff.gazso@gmail.com> wrote:

    Just out of curiosity, how much pain is this likely to cause existing installations that will need to migrate from a split-usr setup to a merged-usr setup?

    We haven't deployed this to users, so feedback is limited thus far.

    At least a handful of Gentoo devs have successfully migrated real
    systems from split-usr to merged-usr without any major problems. It's
    a relatively simple process: move the existing files (see
    sys-apps/merge-usr), flip the split-usr USE flag off, and then run
    "emege --update --deep --changed-use @world".

    The only pain point I see is for users with /usr on a separate
    filesystem and that are not using an appropriate initramfs. This has
    been an "unsupported" configuration on Gentoo for several years, but
    there are probably some users who do it anyway.

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  • From Mike Gilbert@21:1/5 to jaco@uls.co.za on Wed Aug 31 19:40:01 2022
    On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:29 PM Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> wrote:

    Hi,

    That really depends.

    If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*} needs to now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install a very, very large number of hosts.

    You have that reversed: the expectation is that everything in
    /{bin,sbin,lib} will fit in /usr. In other words, we move files from /
    into /usr.

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  • From Sam James@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 31 20:40:02 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, at 17:29, Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> wrote:

    Hi,

    That really depends.

    If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*} needs to now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install a very, very large number of hosts.

    Of course, this is only for systemd users anyway. But see floppy's correction.


    Kind Regards,
    Jaco

    On 2022/08/31 18:01, Jeff Gazso wrote:

    Just out of curiosity, how much pain is this likely to cause existing installations that will need to migrate from a split-usr setup to a merged-usr setup?

    On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:28 PM Mike Gilbert <floppym@gentoo.org> wrote:
    This patch series adds a "merged-usr" feature profile, and subprofiles
    for each systemd profile.

    As background: systemd upstream is preparing to drop support for
    split-usr systems soon. All systemd users on Gentoo will eventually
    need to migrate to a merged-usr system.




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  • From Sam James@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 31 22:50:01 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, at 21:36, Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> wrote:

    Hi,

    On 2022/08/31 19:38, Mike Gilbert wrote:
    On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:29 PM Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> wrote:
    Hi,

    That really depends.

    If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*} needs to now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install a very, very large number of hosts.
    You have that reversed: the expectation is that everything in
    /{bin,sbin,lib} will fit in /usr. In other words, we move files from /
    into /usr.

    That's a relieve, but as per Sam this is only relevant to systemd
    profiles, which for some reason I also completely overlooked as per the subject. However, these things do have a tendency to filter through to non-systemd systems eventually.

    FWIW, our support (as you've sort of noticed before) for split-usr
    (Which is related, but distinct, from non-merged -usr) is sort of tenuous
    and while it's your right to do such installs, I'd consider at least
    not installing new machines with such a configuration
    as a way of very gradually phasing it out.

    It's often a pain to handle properly. For example,
    It's seemingly not possible to (easily, at least, and
    portably) handle split-usr (separate /usr, as in
    separate partition) in app-arch/zstd with pkg-config,
    as pkg-config shouldn't point to the loader script,
    but the real library [0].

    As you can imagine, these complications together
    with other, more pressing bugs, means it is at least
    not very high on my list to look into such issues,
    even though I do try when such bugs are within
    my purview.

    [0] https://github.com/trofi/nix-guix-gentoo/commit/8f194519982fbfabb6b3ca84c0806b1a379b5d06

    best,
    sam


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  • From Jaco Kroon@21:1/5 to Mike Gilbert on Wed Aug 31 22:40:01 2022
    Hi,

    On 2022/08/31 19:38, Mike Gilbert wrote:
    On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:29 PM Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> wrote:
    Hi,

    That really depends.

    If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*} needs to now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install a very, very large number of hosts.
    You have that reversed: the expectation is that everything in
    /{bin,sbin,lib} will fit in /usr. In other words, we move files from /
    into /usr.

    That's a relieve, but as per Sam this is only relevant to systemd
    profiles, which for some reason I also completely overlooked as per the subject.  However, these things do have a tendency to filter through to non-systemd systems eventually.

    Sorry for the noise.

    Kind Regards,
    Jaco

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  • From Marc Schiffbauer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 2 15:10:02 2022
    * Mike Gilbert schrieb am 01.09.22 um 03:38 Uhr:
    On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:29 PM Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> wrote:

    Hi,

    That really depends.

    If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*} needs to now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install a very, very large number of hosts.

    You have that reversed: the expectation is that everything in
    /{bin,sbin,lib} will fit in /usr. In other words, we move files from /
    into /usr.

    So does this mean, that having /usr on a seperate filesystem remains "supported" but is now only possible with a proper initrd?

    -Marc

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  • From Mike Gilbert@21:1/5 to mschiff@gentoo.org on Fri Sep 2 17:10:01 2022
    On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 9:01 AM Marc Schiffbauer <mschiff@gentoo.org> wrote:

    * Mike Gilbert schrieb am 01.09.22 um 03:38 Uhr:
    On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:29 PM Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> wrote:

    Hi,

    That really depends.

    If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*} needs to now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install a very, very large number of hosts.

    You have that reversed: the expectation is that everything in /{bin,sbin,lib} will fit in /usr. In other words, we move files from /
    into /usr.

    So does this mean, that having /usr on a seperate filesystem remains "supported" but is now only possible with a proper initrd?

    Switching to merged-usr does make it pretty much impossible to boot
    without an initramfs if /usr is on a separate filesystem.

    Having /usr on a separate filesystem without an initramfs to mount it
    has been "unsupported" for several years; the council made a decision
    on that in 2013 [1].

    [1] https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20130813-summary.txt

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  • From Mike Gilbert@21:1/5 to floppym@gentoo.org on Fri Sep 2 17:20:01 2022
    On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 11:05 AM Mike Gilbert <floppym@gentoo.org> wrote:

    On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 9:01 AM Marc Schiffbauer <mschiff@gentoo.org> wrote:

    * Mike Gilbert schrieb am 01.09.22 um 03:38 Uhr:
    On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 12:29 PM Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> wrote:

    Hi,

    That really depends.

    If the expectation is that everything in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib*} needs to now fit on / rather than /usr we're queued to re-install a very, very large number of hosts.

    You have that reversed: the expectation is that everything in /{bin,sbin,lib} will fit in /usr. In other words, we move files from / into /usr.

    So does this mean, that having /usr on a seperate filesystem remains "supported" but is now only possible with a proper initrd?

    Switching to merged-usr does make it pretty much impossible to boot
    without an initramfs if /usr is on a separate filesystem.

    Having /usr on a separate filesystem without an initramfs to mount it
    has been "unsupported" for several years; the council made a decision
    on that in 2013 [1].

    [1] https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20130813-summary.txt

    To more directly answer your question: yes, having /usr on a separate filesystem is still "supported" with an appropriate initramfs.

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  • From Marc Schiffbauer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 5 07:40:01 2022
    * Mike Gilbert schrieb am 03.09.22 um 01:11 Uhr:
    To more directly answer your question: yes, having /usr on a separate filesystem is still "supported" with an appropriate initramfs.

    Thanks, makes me sleep better ;)

    Maybe this can be pointed out a bit more in the docs, to make this more
    clear.

    Thanks again
    -Marc

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