Anyone here operating XP with an SSD?
My machine is currently hosting a 250GB drive, configured as:
C: = 35GB and <5GB remaining
H: = 197GB and 48GB remaining.
Without TRIM or Garbage Collection, would XP be a bad match for
an SSD upgrade?
At the very least, perhaps I could entertain a 1TB SSD as an
external device to conduct a full image backup or something.
I need to remain with XP just a little bit longer. I need to
work with MS Access 2007 and a few other familiar programs as a
minumum and can't migrate to different device at this time.
I have recently (within a 1yr or two) replaced the CPU fan of
the XP pc (a Thinkpad T60). The machine is otherwise quite a
fine performer and a pleasure to use. The keyboard is supreme.
On 12/31/2022 7:50 AM, august abolins wrote:
Anyone here operating XP with an SSD?
https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/lenovo/thinkpad-t60-series-%2 8type-6371%29
Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch 7mm (with 9.5mm adapter)
Internal SSD
So Crucial seems to think your drive is SATA type. 945GM/ICH7 is SATA II. Which is fine.
If you buy the 1TB sized drive, that will provide enough incidental
spare provisioning, you won't have to worry too much about TRIM.
(By leaving a large portion of the drive unused, it gets used
for the free pool.)
I would want my Macrium CD, to "align while cloning" and clone the
partitions one at a time (drag-and-drop clone), so each can be aligned.
You click the Next button, then the Back button, after dragging the
first partition down to the target drive, then the Properties
link underneath the row, brings up this dialog box with 1MB alignment capability. It would take two clone executions, plus potentially a boot repair, to do the job.
http://updates.macrium.com/help/v5/partition_alignment.htm
And Lenovo may have already used the AHCI driver for the ICH7 chipset,
so you have a good choice there. While modern OSes, TRIM works
on either the native or the AHCI driver, I don't know if that
influences the potential success of doing TRIM on WinXP (somehow!).
The SSD Toolboxes, by and large, are poor quality pieces of
software, and I would not "bet the farm" on them.
Hello Paul!
** On Saturday 31.12.22 - 11:25, Paul wrote to :
On 12/31/2022 7:50 AM, august abolins wrote:
Anyone here operating XP with an SSD?
https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/lenovo/thinkpad-t60-series-%2 >> 8type-6371%29
Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch 7mm (with 9.5mm adapter)
Internal SSD
DONE. I had researched that one a little while ago too. It
should arrive on Friday.
So Crucial seems to think your drive is SATA type. 945GM/ICH7 is SATA II.
Which is fine.
I thought the SATA interface for the T60 is first gen, SATA I.
If you buy the 1TB sized drive, that will provide enough incidental
spare provisioning, you won't have to worry too much about TRIM.
(By leaving a large portion of the drive unused, it gets used
for the free pool.)
Good to hear that. The plan is to provide sufficient "spare
provisioning".
I would want my Macrium CD, to "align while cloning" and clone the
partitions one at a time (drag-and-drop clone), so each can be aligned.
Interesting. I probably would not have considered that
approach.
You click the Next button, then the Back button, after dragging the
first partition down to the target drive, then the Properties
link underneath the row, brings up this dialog box with 1MB alignment
capability. It would take two clone executions, plus potentially a boot
repair, to do the job.
http://updates.macrium.com/help/v5/partition_alignment.htm
Thx for that. Have to study the implications.
My current C: drive is 40GB, and H: partition is the rest of
the HDD. I hope that I can extend the size of the C:
partition on the SSD. I am not quite sure how to do that. Does
Macrium facilitate that?
And Lenovo may have already used the AHCI driver for the ICH7 chipset,
so you have a good choice there. While modern OSes, TRIM works
on either the native or the AHCI driver, I don't know if that
influences the potential success of doing TRIM on WinXP (somehow!).
The SSD Toolboxes, by and large, are poor quality pieces of
software, and I would not "bet the farm" on them.
The plan is to eventually upgrade the XP OS to Win7/32. I
would think that Win7/32 would still be a fine performer with
3GB ram.
--
../|ug
Macrium is not a full Partition Manager as such. But the
drag-and-drop mode, and doing the partitions one at a time,
achieves most of the necessary objectives. I don't
see a reason you could not drag and drop C: , align it,
plus extend it to a larger capacity than the current capacity.
The only problem I have with drag and drop, is sometimes I need
to use the boot repair function (which is only in a Macrium CD menu),
to make the OS boot again.
You could for example, do a clone without any drag and drop, but
then the alignment would be off, and the size would be off,
and getting it fixed with Paragon Partition Manager 14 Free,
I don't think they have a free align in there (because they want
to sell their $39 align program for that).
You could for example, do a clone without any drag and drop, but
then the alignment would be off, and the size would be off,
and getting it fixed with Paragon Partition Manager 14 Free,
I don't think they have a free align in there (because they want
to sell their $39 align program for that).
What do you say about the comments here:
https://hardforum.com/threads/windows-xp-and-ssd-
alignment.1776760/
They seem to mention that there is another pgrm that can be
used for alignment: AOMEI. And there is a free edition for XP
as well.
Maybe I should extend the C: partition *first* on the HDD
before I do the cloning?
Meanwhile, I discovered THIS wrt to alignment:
https://www.howtogeek.com/270358/how-to-speed-up-your-solid- state-drive-by-re-aligning-its-partitions/
I think it explains the alignment math the best, and the
program they suggest does it all automatically.
Meanwhile, I discovered THIS wrt to alignment:
https://www.howtogeek.com/270358/how-to-speed-up-your-solid-
state-drive-by-re-aligning-its-partitions/
I think it explains the alignment math the best, and the
program they suggest does it all automatically.
NEVERMIND. The program they mention in the article is for Win7
and up.
--
../|ug
Macrium is not a full Partition Manager as such. But the
drag-and-drop mode, and doing the partitions one at a time..
The only problem I have with drag and drop, is sometimes I need
to use the boot repair function (which is only in a Macrium CD menu),
to make the OS boot again.
I don't really like to post-process SSDs for partition size,
because that costs you more write operations. It's a tiny bit of
extra wear, granted, but it's still a concern. So if I can get
things the way I want with a drag-and-drop series of sessions,
that's the way to go.
WinPE (Portable Execution?) is an OS that boots as a RAMDisk
(drive letter X: for the OS).
Getting WinXP to boot is pretty simple (relatively speaking).
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS <=== This is
an "ARC Path" [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP" /fastdetect
Normally, when cloning, the ARC path is not botched. But it can be
if PowerQuest Partition Magic was used, years ago. It's more likely
a missing boot flag 0x80 would do it.
When you boot a cloned disk drive for the first time, the *original*
drive should be unplugged, just for the first boot. This has something
to do with selecting the wrong pagefile or something. Booting the drive
by itself, helps ensure "consistency" for subsequent boots.
What do you mean by "CD menu"? So, does Macrium need to be
booted from CD?
What do you mean by "CD menu"? So, does Macrium need to be
booted from CD?
The only place that Macrium has "Boot Repair" is on the emergency CD.
You can make a CD or a USB stick. Not all computers boot from USB,
but the newer ones do.
Meanwhile, some folks are suggesting that Clonezilla can
accomplish what I need. I would be booted from USB or CD.
The only place that Macrium has "Boot Repair" is on the emergency CD.
You can make a CD or a USB stick. Not all computers boot from USB,
but the newer ones do.
Hello Paul!
The only place that Macrium has "Boot Repair" is on the emergency CD.
I downloaded Macrium, but it did not give me an option to
create an emergency CD. I could only run it live. Part way
thru the live clone, it failed with an error.
You can make a CD or a USB stick. Not all computers boot from USB,
but the newer ones do.
I wouldn't have minded using Macrium booted on USB.
Meanwhile, I reverted to Clonezilla booted to a usb stick. The
clone operation was actually pretty straight forward if
accepting the defaults. It even offers to expand the existing
partions propertionally to fit the destination ssd. I did
that. But it encountered "bad" sections on C partion:
https://kolico.ca/tmp/ccc.jpg
And then it just proceeded to clone the h partion. The h went
without a hitch and completed in about 1.5hrs
https://kolico.ca/tmp/ccc.jpg
And then it just proceeded to clone the h partion. The h went
without a hitch and completed in about 1.5hrs
We're not off to a good start then. Hmmm.
*******
The Macrium Rescue interface, will vary with version.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/pLLLhqn1/Macrium7-rescue-disc-dialogs.gif
If you need to make USB media, rufus.ie website has a tool for
that, and uses some "syslinux" files as a boot wrapper. It can handle
WinPE based ISO disc images for you and make media.
Now you need multiple passes of ddrescue. The first pass
gets the easy-to-read sectors. Later passes work on the
missing bits.
With such a command, you can easily damage the destination disk drive!
All it takes is a single syntax error while typing in the source
and destination pathnames.
I don't know if clonezilla has a copy of that built-in or not.
It's easier for a human to operate that software, than to write
a tool to parse the logfile and figure out a strategy from there.
This is about as much fun as when someone tells me they've
been convinced by someone to do the entire job with "dd"
(Disk Dump). That's very amusing. Disk Dump has a place, but
this isn't it.
Clonezilla is at least more "efficient" than "dd", because
it does Smart copies. But Acronis and Macrium also do smart
copies (only occupied clusters are copied).
It's the disk identifiers and the boot materials that
get poor treatment with the lesser tools. This is why
I did not bring these tools up. Clonezilla and "dd" are
for very experienced users who do this sort of work
regularly. Like, I did one "dd" preparation of a disk drive,
I did all the arithmetic with a hand calculator. It all worked.
But it was not pleasant, and I would not volunteer to do it
a second time.
I've also had source disks, where some of the geometry
details were wrong on the disk.
Then, what do you do ? Like, you can have overlapping
partitions, or, you can have partition contents which are
larger than the envelope they're sitting in. I wasn't able to
fix those. The tools kept refusing. Even the consumer
programs may not handle a mess like that nicely.
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