I noticed that the code of stump and webstump has appeared on Github in
the last few days: https://github.com/UsenetBig8

There have been discussions about issues with stump/webstump in uk.net.news.moderation and I have been doing some work on fixing them so
I am interested to know what anyone else may be doing with them.

Is anyone here running stump/webstump and interested in updating it?

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Dear Owen,

On 11/08/2020 17.40, Owen Rees wrote:

I noticed that the code of stump and webstump has appeared on Github in
the last few days: https://github.com/UsenetBig8

There have been discussions about issues with stump/webstump in uk.net.news.moderation and I have been doing some work on fixing them so
I am interested to know what anyone else may be doing with them.

Is anyone here running stump/webstump and interested in updating it?

The original developer of STUMP and WebSTUMP, Igor Chudov, recently
handed over maintenance of the packages to the Big-8 Management Board.
He and the Board collectively decided to move hosting of the projects to GitHub. However, the Board has since discovered that STUMP and WebSTUMP
are official GNU packages -- this something that hadn't been mentioned
in our conversations with Mr. Chudov, nor in the STUMP and WebSTUMP documentation. The Board is currently discussing the matter with GNU,
since (barring our forking the packages) they have final say over who
the maintainers are and where the packages are to be hosted. Hopefully
this will all be resolved by next week. (The most likely outcome is
that the GNU folks accept us as maintainers but that we move the
packages to a hosting service whose practices more closely align with
the GNU philosophy, such as GitLab or Savannah.)

In the meantime, I can confirm that the Board itself is still running
STUMP and WebSTUMP, and that we have also been doing some work on fixing
them (i.e., getting them to run on modern versions of Perl, revising the documentation, etc.). Once we've finished our talks with GNU, we'd
probably be happy to collaborate with you on further development of the packages. But for now, it's probably best not to post any issues or
pull requests on those GitHub repositories you found.

Regards,
Tristan

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Usenet Big-8 Management Board
https://www.big-8.org/
board@big-8.org

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On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:40:09 EDT, Owen Rees wrote:

I noticed that the code of stump and webstump has appeared on Github in
the last few days: https://github.com/UsenetBig8

There have been discussions about issues with stump/webstump in uk.net.news.moderation and I have been doing some work on fixing them so
I am interested to know what anyone else may be doing with them.

Is anyone here running stump/webstump and interested in updating it?

Hi Owen,

We, the B8MB, have been in contact with the previous maintainer of stump/ webstump and we're in the process of keeping it maintained. We will also
be adding some minor patches to it and will be very happy to receive
updates from the Usenet community.

Stump/webstump are official GNU applications. We will be deciding soon on
where to host the source code permanently and we'll make an announcement
about it in news.group and a few other places soon.


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JE

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On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:48:16 EDT, Tristan Miller <tmiller@big-8.org>
wrote in <rgus8v$1ti$1@dont-email.me>:

In the meantime, I can confirm that the Board itself is still running
STUMP and WebSTUMP, and that we have also been doing some work on fixing
them (i.e., getting them to run on modern versions of Perl, revising the >documentation, etc.). Once we've finished our talks with GNU, we'd
probably be happy to collaborate with you on further development of the >packages. But for now, it's probably best not to post any issues or
pull requests on those GitHub repositories you found.

Thanks for the updates.

I believe that at least three groups in the uk.* hierarchy are using
versions of stump/webstump derived from version 2.0. I am not a
moderator of any of those groups nor do I run the various systems but I volunteered to fix some issues when they came up in discussion. There
are not many users of that hierarchy who are happy to dig around in old
perl code as far as I can tell.

I will keep a watch on this group and news.groups for further updates
and I will try to find out if the people running the uk.* groups are
interested in what you are doing.

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Greetings.

On 12/08/2020 03.09, Owen Rees wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:48:16 EDT, Tristan Miller <tmiller@big-8.org>
wrote in <rgus8v$1ti$1@dont-email.me>:

In the meantime, I can confirm that the Board itself is still running
STUMP and WebSTUMP, and that we have also been doing some work on fixing
them (i.e., getting them to run on modern versions of Perl, revising the
documentation, etc.). Once we've finished our talks with GNU, we'd
probably be happy to collaborate with you on further development of the
packages. But for now, it's probably best not to post any issues or
pull requests on those GitHub repositories you found.

Thanks for the updates. [...]

I will keep a watch on this group and news.groups for further updates
and I will try to find out if the people running the uk.* groups are interested in what you are doing.

We've concluded our talks with GNU and the current members of the Big-8 Management Board have now been appointed official maintainers of STUMP
and WebSTUMP. We'll be moving the hosting of the packages to Savannah,
though this might take a while as the Savannah admits might insist that
we first clean up the code and documentation to bring it into compliance
with the GNU guidelines. I'll post another update here once all that's
done.

Regards,
Tristan

--
Usenet Big-8 Management Board
https://www.big-8.org/
board@big-8.org

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Dear Owen et al.,

On 20/08/2020 11.12, Tristan Miller wrote:

On 12/08/2020 03.09, Owen Rees wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:48:16 EDT, Tristan Miller <tmiller@big-8.org>
wrote in <rgus8v$1ti$1@dont-email.me>:

In the meantime, I can confirm that the Board itself is still running
STUMP and WebSTUMP, and that we have also been doing some work on fixing >>> them (i.e., getting them to run on modern versions of Perl, revising the >>> documentation, etc.). Once we've finished our talks with GNU, we'd
probably be happy to collaborate with you on further development of the
packages. But for now, it's probably best not to post any issues or
pull requests on those GitHub repositories you found.

Thanks for the updates. [...]

I will keep a watch on this group and news.groups for further updates
and I will try to find out if the people running the uk.* groups are
interested in what you are doing.

We've concluded our talks with GNU and the current members of the Big-8 Management Board have now been appointed official maintainers of STUMP
and WebSTUMP. We'll be moving the hosting of the packages to Savannah, though this might take a while as the Savannah admits might insist that
we first clean up the code and documentation to bring it into compliance
with the GNU guidelines. I'll post another update here once all that's
done.

I'm happy to report that we've finally got the code for STUMP and
WebSTUMP hosted on Savannah and are in the process of cleaning it up
(fixing bugs, revising the documentation, etc.). If you want to help
out by reporting issues (or even providing fixes), then please do so
using the bug trackers at the new Savannah pages:

https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/stump https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/webstump

We've also re-established the mailing list for STUMP (and WebSTUMP).
You can subscribe and browse the archives (currently empty) here:

https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/stump-users

Regards,
Tristan

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Free Software developer, ferret herder, logologist
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