The "category" tabs can of order left to right in a reverse creation.
But how reorder tabs in "Subscribed : All : New : Folders : Filtered"?
I've never reordered the entries under the All, New, Folders, or
Filtered tabs.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :
I've never reordered the entries under the All, New, Folders, or
Filtered tabs.
Want to reorder all tabs (not "entries under the tabs").
Maybe even want to remove unused tabs (maybe Filters remove).
Instead of "Subscribed : All : New : Folders : Filters : cat3 cat2 cat1" Maybe "Filters : New : Folders : All : Subscribed : cat1 cat2 cat3"
Even better to remove not using tabs "Filters" and "New" if possibly.
Maybe then only see this "Folders : All : Subscribed : cat1 cat2 cat3"
The Filters tab is a search tab.
Why wouldn't Subscribed be the first tab?
The other tabs will show you just
newsgroups, not articles within them. The subscribed newsgroups are
those where you participate.
Folders show only the local folders.
The Inbox and Outbox folders are really just for use with e-mail
As has been evidenced many times in the past, when a client does both
e-mail and newsgroups, the sender will mistake sending a message to
Usenet instead of as an e-mail.
Dialog cannot support connects to servers that demand TLSv3.
But it doesn't let you reorder the tabs.
It is what it is. You cannot change the order of the newsgroup tabs
Dialog is written in Delphi (aka Object Pascal), and you could change
the code to make the program do what you want, but I don't know if
anyone hosts the source code for Dialog.
The "category" tabs can of order left to right in a reverse creation.
But how reorder tabs in "Subscribed : All : New : Folders : Filtered"?
Categories <Subscribed> to <Filtered> are fixed. They can neither be
deleted nor is it possible to re-order them.
Category tabs only I need.
I've never seen a Category tab.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :
The Filters tab is a search tab.
It is good searchers. Instead I do not need Filters tab.
Why wouldn't Subscribed be the first tab?
I do not used subscribed any newsgroups.
I used categories instead.
The {cat3,cat2,cat1} adds exact that with many better organizations.
Category tabs only I need.
I adds {Drafts,Outbox,Sent} inside to {cat3,cat2,cat1}.
Adds {cat3,cat2,cat1} to solve each problem you speak on! :-)
Dialog cannot support connects to servers that demand TLSv3.
Dialog work good with STUNNEL to USENET encrypt nntp servers.
I just found right-clicking within the newsgroups list (under any of the Subscribed, All, New, Folders, or Filtered tabs) has Category in the
context menu. I've never thought of the tabs (Subscribed, All, etc) as categories. So now I see how to add a new tab to the newsgroups pane.
However, how do you add a newsgroup into the personally-defined category
tab?
Seems you have to visit the Subscribed, All, or Filtered tabs to
select newsgroup(s), and then right-click on the selection to use
Category -> <category>. Is that how you're doing categories?
I do something similar, but without adding new tabs (which could lead to having to enlarge the newsgroups pane to show all category tabs).
Under
the Subscribed tab, I drag the newsgroups together that I want grouped together. Then I right-click in the tab's pane, select Rearrange in the context menu, and choose to add a separator bar. I add N-1 separators,
and then drag them between the groups of newsgroups. However, adding separators will make the newsgroups list longer possibly requiring more scrolling.
Since categories is just grouping of newsgroups, your way is to add
another tab, one for each category, and show the newsgroups under there.
My way is to use the Subscribed tab (since I don't participate in non-subscribed newsgroups), and use grouping and separators to show "categories" of grouped newsgroups.
The Filter tab lets you search, but shows you the complete list of
matches all at once. Instead of searching for matching newsgroups one
by one, you can scroll through the results list.
Under the Subscribed tab, I can rearrange the newsgroups to which I am subscribed in an order that is similar to a "category", and add a
separator line between those groups - but that's not really a categories
but just ordering the list of subscribed newsgroups.
Yep, that's one way to add TLS support to Dialog, or any program that is
old and doesn't support later SSL or TLS versions. You have to figure
out how to chain the client program to sTunnel (which port on the client connects to which port of sTunnel), and then sTunnel to the server
(which port of sTunnel connects to which port on the server).
I do not understand what is "Subscribed" meaning.
Is just doubleclick newsgroup in tab the same resulting action?
There is no automatic downloading of article bodies in Dialog.
I'm sure besides script using functions to work with subscribed
newsgroups that there are built-in functions in Dialog that only work
with subscribed newsgroups.
On 14 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :
The Filter tab lets you search, but shows you the complete list of
matches all at once. Instead of searching for matching newsgroups one
by one, you can scroll through the results list.
Many more easy to search of aioe.gtl file in Dialog data folder.
copy C:\Dialog\data\aioe.gtl C:\Dialog\data\aioe_groups.txt
notepad++ C:\Dialog\data\aioe_groups.txt
I do not understand what is "Subscribed" meaning.
Is just doubleclick newsgroup in tab the same resulting action?
On Tue, 15th Mar 2022 07:01:34 +0100, Lars Anders wrote:
On 14 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :
The Filter tab lets you search, but shows you the complete list of
matches all at once. Instead of searching for matching newsgroups one
by one, you can scroll through the results list.
Many more easy to search of aioe.gtl file in Dialog data folder.
copy C:\Dialog\data\aioe.gtl C:\Dialog\data\aioe_groups.txt
notepad++ C:\Dialog\data\aioe_groups.txt
The <Filter> input field is optimized for Usenet groups. "Contain" and
"Begin with" are simple. "RegEx" permits much more. "Have Initials"
requires some hard RegEx work to be duplicated inside Notepad++.
Groups are often referred in Usenet by their initials. As an example: news.software.readers is nsr. While reading messages /inside/ the
group in question, the "initial form" usually is self-evident. But if
I would refer to dcs4 here, you might need to use the Filtered tab to
deduce, that I'm referring to de.comm.software.40tude-dialog.
Apart from this: Even if you did find the correct group(s) with your Notepad++ approach, you'd still need to find them inside 40tude Dialog.
The detour via Notepad++ seems therefore, IMHO, rather long-winded...
Bernd
VanguardLH wrote:
There is no automatic downloading of article bodies in Dialog.
Huh? <Default/Selected Group Options> -> <Retrieving>
I'm sure besides script using functions to work with subscribed
newsgroups that there are built-in functions in Dialog that only work
with subscribed newsgroups.
I'm not so sure. - But to lazy to test, atm. ;-)
"Get new headers in subscribed groups" actually is "Get new headers in subscribed/categorized groups", for instance.
Lars Anders wrote:
Instead of "Subscribed : All : New : Folders : Filters : cat3 cat2 cat1"
Maybe "Filters : New : Folders : All : Subscribed : cat1 cat2 cat3"
Why wouldn't Subscribed be the first tab? That is the list of those newsgroups to which you have actually subscribed (the ones for which you
see the articles within them). The other tabs will show you just
newsgroups, not articles within them. The subscribed newsgroups are
those where you participate.
Even better to remove not using tabs "Filters" and "New" if possibly.
Maybe then only see this "Folders : All : Subscribed : cat1 cat2 cat3"
Folders show only the local folders. Dialog is a poor e-mail client,
and should only be used for newsgroups. For Usenet, only the Sent
folder makes sense: that folder records articles you sent to Usenet.
The Inbox and Outbox folders are really just for use with e-mail,
Not at all. I use the Outbox all the time for Usenet. I leave posts
there for a while, then re-read, edit, sometimes delete them.
I see no reason to jump
out of Dialog to find relevant newsgroups.
On All/New/Filtered tabs, doubleclick is configured to the "subscribe" command.
I use the Outbox all the time for Usenet. I leave posts
there for a while, then re-read, edit, sometimes delete them.
On 15 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :
I see no reason to jump
out of Dialog to find relevant newsgroups.
I understand concerns.
Outside of filter/search would it work to read in all newsgroups from
server 1 and then edit gtl file for server 1 & delete all groups not
needed?
Open Dialog
Read in all groups in aioe server
Close Dialog
Notepad++ aioe.gtl
Delete newsgroups not wanted
Save aioe.gtl
Open Dialog
Would that gtl edit work as simplify list of newsgroups in "All" tab?
Quinn C wrote:
I use the Outbox all the time for Usenet. I leave posts
there for a while, then re-read, edit, sometimes delete them.
Messages that hang in the Outbox folder are those that failed to get
sent to the NNTP server, and the client fails to retry a send on those messages. Messages you compose but do not send should be in the Drafts folder.
Outbox is where a new message to send gets temporarily saved until the
client does a send.
Normally when you send, the newly composed message
briefly appears in the Outbox, because it is from that folder that the
client sends a copy to the server, and the client should then delete the
copy in the Outbox folder. Drafts is where you hold messages until
you're ready to do a send.
would it work to read in all newsgroups from server 1 and then edit gtl
file for server 1 & delete all groups not needed?
There is no automatic downloading of article bodies in Dialog.
Huh? <Default/Selected Group Options> -> <Retrieving>
There is no setting there on a polling interval.
I'm sure besides script using functions to work with subscribed
newsgroups that there are built-in functions in Dialog that only work
with subscribed newsgroups.
I'm not so sure. - But to lazy to test, atm. ;-)
"Get new headers in subscribed groups" actually is "Get new headers in
subscribed/categorized groups", for instance.
The help mentions using ADo('GetNewHeadersInSubscribedGroups') for event scripts. No mention of a function to get headers in selected
newsgroups, because there wouldn't be any selected when the event runs.
* VanguardLH:
Quinn C wrote:
I use the Outbox all the time for Usenet. I leave posts
there for a while, then re-read, edit, sometimes delete them.
Messages that hang in the Outbox folder are those that failed to get
sent to the NNTP server, and the client fails to retry a send on those
messages. Messages you compose but do not send should be in the Drafts
folder.
Outbox is where a new message to send gets temporarily saved until the
client does a send.
That sounds like a setup with an automatic send routine. I don't have
that. Either I click Send on a message right away, or I use Online >
Send all messages in outbox, manually.
Thanks, I've been using Dialog for about 20 years, and my setup works
fine. 20 years means that at the very beginning, I was still on Dialup,
so it was a completely normal procedure to put posts ready to send in
the Outbox until they get sent - which could be hours later.
Quinn C wrote:
* VanguardLH:
Quinn C wrote:
I use the Outbox all the time for Usenet. I leave posts
there for a while, then re-read, edit, sometimes delete them.
Messages that hang in the Outbox folder are those that failed to get
sent to the NNTP server, and the client fails to retry a send on those
messages. Messages you compose but do not send should be in the Drafts
folder.
Outbox is where a new message to send gets temporarily saved until the
client does a send.
That sounds like a setup with an automatic send routine. I don't have
that. Either I click Send on a message right away, or I use Online >
Send all messages in outbox, manually.
Nope. While composing a new message, a copy gets saved into the Drafts folder. Dialog doesn't have an option to specify at what interval while composing the new content gets saved as a copy in the Drafts folder.
For Dialog, existing the compose dialog has it prompt if you want to
save the message. If so, it gets saved in the Drafts folder.
When you click the Send button, the client saves the message in the
Outbox, because it is that copy the client will submit to the server
during the send. While composing, and even if interrupting the compose,
the Drafts folder is where drafts gets saved hence the name of the
folder. When sending (manual or automatic), the message goes into the
Outbox folder. Why? The send operation may fail. Instead of relying
on some temp copy of the message (which will disappear when the client
gets unloaded), the copy in the Outbox folder represents what you
intended to send, and will be available on the next send (if no errors
occur that time).
For example, while composing a message, you could lose Internet
connectivity. You cannot send the message you were composing. Where
would the client find that message on the next attempt send? In the
Outbox folder where was the copy it tried to send before.
If a send operation takes a long time, like you are sending tons of
messages at a time, or they are huge, the send operation may take long
enough for you to see the message to send goes into the Outbox, and upon successful send that copy disappears.
Some clients have the option to Send Later. The message still goes into
the Outbox folder, but the client attempts a send operation at a later
time. This is similar to when you lose Internet connectivity, so the
send fails, but a later send will retry the messages sitting in the
Outbox folder.
I don't use any automatic or scripted send operation. I click on the
Send button in the compose window. That puts the message in the Outbox, tries to send it to the server, and removes that copy if the send is successful. If the send fails, I can try another send later, because
the message is still sitting in the Outbox folder where the client
expects to find messages it is told to send.
If you save a message in the Outbox folder, it could get sent before you
are done editing it. The Drafts folder is where you put messages you
intend to send, but haven't yet sent which allows you to modify them
before sending them. Outbox is for messages that are in the sending
process until eventually (now or later) are successfully sent. Drafts
is the folder you hold messages you have not yet determined to send as
you might need to do more research to update the message. Outbox is
"ready to send". Drafts is "I'm still editing".
If a message gets stuck in the Outbox, the send failed (if a send has
been attempted), and awaits the next send that is successful. Messages
in Drafts hang around regardless of how many successful send operations
have been performed.
Thanks, I've been using Dialog for about 20 years, and my setup works
fine. 20 years means that at the very beginning, I was still on Dialup,
so it was a completely normal procedure to put posts ready to send in
the Outbox until they get sent - which could be hours later.
No. Messages in the Outbox folder were sent on the next successful send operation. So, you were manually initiating the sends while piling up messages in the Outbox folder. It happened to work similar to the
Drafts folder because of how you held off sending until when you chose,
and did so manually. Normally when you click the Send button, the send operation starts *now*. Your method batches up the sends until whenever
the next send operation starts. The scenario works for how you used
Dialog, but your method is not the intention for the Outbox folder.
Are you in Online mode when you click the Send button in the compose
dialog?
If I want to emulate a Send Later operation, I wouldn't leave message in
the Outbox folder. Anytime I committed a send operation, the Outbox
messages would get sent, not sometime later when I was ready to send
them. Messages in the Outbox folder are susceptible to whenever is the
next successful send operation. Message in the Drafts folder are not,
as those hang around however long I want whether it be minutes, hours,
days, or weeks.
Your method works for you, but it seems you are batching up your sends
to whenever you go online and commit a send operation. You really
aren't planning on when they get sent, but just whenever to commit a
sent which then has all messages in the Outbox get sent. I don't batch
my sends. I do sends now. For messages I don't want to send whenever I happen to do a send on any one of them, those go in Drafts.
From the help, "The composition window that you see when you create a
new draft". You don't send from the Drafts folder. This is where
pending messages get stored. You haven't yet decided to send or not.
In comparison, messages in Outbox are susceptible to whenever is the
next send operation. They are ready to send. Once you send, they
aren't there to edit, anymore. Storing messages in Outbox has them get yanked away before you're ready. You might be editing a message in the Outbox, and then a send starts (because of a scheduled send, manually instigated send, or using Send in another compose window). The rug gets pulled out from underneath you while you were still trying to update the other message. I don't know that Dialog suspends sends on opened
messages in the Outbox during a send operation.
Your scheme works how you expect because of how you use it, but your
scheme is not an expected one. If you're not doing immediate sends but instead batching them up, those message are vulnerable versus using
Drafts. In the Outbox, they can disappear before your ready to actually
send them. I tend to follow the same sending procedures as used in
e-mail clients, so I don't trip over my behavior in trying to use the
Outbox in lieu of Drafts.
Just checked <Online> -> <Get new headers in subscribed groups>. It
retrieved all new headers from every group of the currently active
category tab. (Regardless of the group subscription state.)
For Dialog, existing the compose dialog has it prompt if you want to
save the message. If so, it gets saved in the Drafts folder.
When you click the Send button, the client saves the message in the
Outbox, because it is that copy the client will submit to the server
during the send.
When sending (manual or automatic), the message goes into the
Outbox folder. Why? The send operation may fail.
Instead of relying
on some temp copy of the message (which will disappear when the client
gets unloaded), the copy in the Outbox folder represents what you
intended to send, and will be available on the next send (if no errors
occur that time).
If you save a message in the Outbox folder, it could get sent before you
are done editing it. The Drafts folder is where you put messages you
intend to send, but haven't yet sent which allows you to modify them
before sending them.
Storing messages in Outbox has them get
yanked away before you're ready.
You might be editing a message in the
Outbox, and then a send starts (because of a scheduled send, manually instigated send, or using Send in another compose window). The rug gets pulled out from underneath you while you were still trying to update the other message.
I'm guessing the difference is I click on "Send this draft now" button
in the toolbar of the compose window, but you must use the "Send this
draft later (move it to Outbox)". I send now.
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