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    From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 23 05:38:03 2023
    Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
    list.

    https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m


    --
    Bill Anderson

    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sat Dec 23 20:01:54 2023
    On 2023-12-23 05:38:03 +0000, Bill Anderson said:

    Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
    list.

    https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m


    As usual, mostly dismal garbage not even remotely worth bothering to
    watch ... Charlie Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" is even listed twice!

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sat Dec 23 12:02:25 2023
    On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:

    Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
    list.

    https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m

    Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION

    Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN

    (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sat Dec 23 19:50:54 2023
    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
    On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:

    Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
    list.

    https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m

    Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION

    Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN

    (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)





    The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
    great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there? Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?

    --
    Bill Anderson

    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sat Dec 23 15:45:03 2023
    On 12/23/2023 2:50 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
    On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:

    Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
    list.

    https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m

    Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION

    Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN

    (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)





    The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there? Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?

    I don't recall any like that. (Well, I'm not sure I've ever watched
    SUNRISE end-to-end, usually opting to scratch that itch with NOSFERATU.)
    But, yes, certainly I'd check out any unseen talkies.

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to bill.anderson@my-deja.com on Sat Dec 23 17:15:51 2023
    On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:50:54 +0000, Bill Anderson
    <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:

    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
    On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:

    Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
    list.

    https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m

    Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION

    Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN

    (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)


    The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb >great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there? >Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
    why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    But look at the photo in the article. There are only eleven men
    pictured and he is not included.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Sun Dec 24 01:30:32 2023
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
    why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    But look at the photo in the article. There are only eleven men
    pictured and he is not included.

    There's a bit of suspension of disbelief for Jack Klugman as the teenage
    (now adult) gang banger.

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Sat Dec 23 20:21:53 2023
    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
    why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Sun Dec 24 05:42:47 2023
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
    why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Sun Dec 24 07:03:48 2023
    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an >>>>affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Sun Dec 24 20:02:41 2023
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
    why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.





    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
    named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    --
    Bill Anderson

    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to bill.anderson@my-deja.com on Sun Dec 24 12:53:13 2023
    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:02:41 +0000, Bill Anderson
    <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.





    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Millers Death of a >Salesman. Willys oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
    named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it common >knowledge. Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a >movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off >would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    Thanks for that. I did come across "Death of a Salesman" associated
    with Lee J. Cobb, but "Biff" wasn't mentioned.

    Here is my Christmas gift to you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYKlV0vkIs

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Sun Dec 24 21:57:48 2023
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:02:41 +0000, Bill Anderson
    <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.





    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a >> Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
    named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
    knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a >> movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off >> would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    Thanks for that. I did come across "Death of a Salesman" associated
    with Lee J. Cobb, but "Biff" wasn't mentioned.

    Here is my Christmas gift to you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYKlV0vkIs




    Thanks. It’s a great story, isn’t it? I remember struggling to understand as a child in lower elementary school when our teacher read us the story. I knew what a comb was, but why would anyone want to leave one in their hair?

    --
    Bill Anderson

    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Mon Dec 25 10:28:46 2023
    On 2023-12-24 20:02:41 +0000, Bill Anderson said:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    According to Bob Gale (one of the creators of "Back to the Future"),
    the character of Biff Tannen was partly based on / inspired by Donald
    Trump ... a brainless bully with delusions of grandeur and an
    over-bloated ego ... it certainly does fit.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Mon Dec 25 00:33:31 2023
    Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an >>>>>>affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a >Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
    named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common >knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a >movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off >would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
    are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
    knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
    target of Mack's foul mood.

    Death of a Salesman is one of the most successful and most famous plays
    ever written for the American stage. Lee J. Cobb was the original Willy
    Loman on Broadway. He played the part again in the 1966 adaptation for
    tv. This is the part that Lee J. Cobb is most famous for.

    While Cobb was not in the 1954 teleplay "12 Angry Men", he played #3 in
    the 1955 adaptation for Broadway and the 1957 adaptation for film.

    I'm sure casting him in 1955 was well worth the money and both the
    Broadway audience and movie audience would have understand why he was
    cast.

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Mon Dec 25 03:05:38 2023
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an >>>>>>>affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a >>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was >>named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common >>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a >>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off >>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
    are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common >knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the >reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the >target of Mack's foul mood.

    If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
    simple and reasonable question.

    I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to drsteerforth@yahoo.com on Mon Dec 25 06:00:10 2023
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia
    <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an >>>>>>>>affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a >>>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was >>>named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common >>>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a >>>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off >>>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
    are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common >>knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the >>reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the >>target of Mack's foul mood.

    If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
    simple and reasonable question.

    "condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
    response.

    I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Mon Dec 25 20:27:38 2023
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com>: >>Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an >>>>>>>>>affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a >>>>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was >>>>named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common >>>>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a >>>>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off >>>>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there >>>are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common >>>knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the >>>reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the >>>target of Mack's foul mood.

    If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
    simple and reasonable question.

    "condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your >response.

    And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.

    I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.

    Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
    another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?

    Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
    It's unimportant.

    I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Mon Dec 25 20:21:41 2023
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>>>why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an >>>>>>>>affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a >>>Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was >>>named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common >>>knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a >>>movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off >>>would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
    are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common >>knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the >>reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the >>target of Mack's foul mood.

    If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
    simple and reasonable question.

    I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

    In a newsgroup in which people discuss their love of old movies? Yes,
    I expected its regulars to know whom Lee J. Cobb was.

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon Dec 25 21:57:43 2023
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com>:
    Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>> Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an >>>>>>>>>> affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
    Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was >>>>> named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
    knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
    movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
    would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there >>>> are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
    knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
    reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the >>>> target of Mack's foul mood.

    If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
    simple and reasonable question.

    "condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
    response.

    And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.

    I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.

    Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
    another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?

    Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
    It's unimportant.

    I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".


    It’s Christmas Day and I am feeling benevolent so I will try to help you
    both if I can. I know how these Internet spats go, but ‘tis the season and all, so let’s see.

    Adam made an erudite joke about Lee J Cobb. Mack didn’t get it and said so. Adam responded with a sigh.

    Mack interpreted the sigh as, “you are an idiot for not understanding.“ Just for the record, that’s how I interpreted the sigh too.

    But now it appears Adam intended the sigh as a signal of disappointment
    that people didn’t understand his joke. No condescension; just regret.

    Sounds like a minor misunderstanding to me. Amusing, even. Happy holidays
    and peace on earth.

    --
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    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to bill.anderson@my-deja.com on Mon Dec 25 16:57:45 2023
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 21:57:43 +0000, Bill Anderson
    <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:

    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com>: >>>> Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>> Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an >>>>>>>>>>> affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
    Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was >>>>>> named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common >>>>>> knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
    movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
    would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there >>>>> are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
    knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the >>>>> reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the >>>>> target of Mack's foul mood.

    If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
    simple and reasonable question.

    "condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
    response.

    And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.

    I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.

    Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
    another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?

    Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
    It's unimportant.

    I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".


    Its Christmas Day and I am feeling benevolent so I will try to help you
    both if I can. I know how these Internet spats go, but tis the season and >all, so lets see.

    Adam made an erudite joke about Lee J Cobb. Mack didnt get it and said so. >Adam responded with a sigh.

    Mack interpreted the sigh as, you are an idiot for not understanding.
    Just for the record, thats how I interpreted the sigh too.

    Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable peson answer the question if he
    knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.

    But now it appears Adam intended the sigh as a signal of disappointment
    that people didnt understand his joke. No condescension; just regret.

    Sounds like a minor misunderstanding to me. Amusing, even. Happy holidays
    and peace on earth.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Tue Dec 26 01:15:02 2023
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable peson answer the question if he
    knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.

    Clearly, you are never ever getting over it.

    There's simply no reason to participate in this newsgroup.

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Mon Dec 25 18:29:41 2023
    rOn Tue, 26 Dec 2023 01:15:02 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable person answer the question if he
    knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.

    Clearly, you are never ever getting over it.

    I never ever get over rude people.

    There's simply no reason to participate in this newsgroup.

    Good that you're leaving.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon Dec 25 22:36:26 2023
    On 12/25/2023 3:21 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    Bill Anderson <bill.anderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . .

    "12 Angry Men"

    The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain >>>>>>>>> why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
    affectation.

    He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.

    Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?

    Sigh

    Just answer the question, fool.

    Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a >>>> Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was >>>> named Biff.

    I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
    knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
    movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off >>>> would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.

    I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
    are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
    knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
    reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the >>> target of Mack's foul mood.

    If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
    simple and reasonable question.

    I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".

    In a newsgroup in which people discuss their love of old movies? Yes,
    I expected its regulars to know whom Lee J. Cobb was.

    "Lee J. Cobb", yes. "Biff", not so much. And it's "who".

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sat Dec 30 15:44:26 2023
    On 12/23/2023 2:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 12/23/2023 2:50 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
    On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:

    Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good >>>> list.

    https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m

    Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION

    Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN

    (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)





    The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
    great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing
    there?
    Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?

    I don't recall any like that.  (Well, I'm not sure I've ever watched
    SUNRISE end-to-end, usually opting to scratch that itch with NOSFERATU.)
     But, yes, certainly I'd check out any unseen talkies.



    Since you appeared to ask:

    Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is a cartoon, a good one in fact, but
    it doesn't belong on a list with Lawrence of Arabia.

    The Shawshank Redemption is adored by millions, but not me. I'll admit I
    will always allow myself to enjoy the last 20 minutes or so, but still
    that doesn't make it a great movie.

    Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back: It's good, but the first
    movie was the brilliant one. So why isn't the first movie on the list?

    Inside Out: Another cartoon, and a rather obscure one. I predict it'll
    soon be forgotten.

    Whiplash: Not on my radar.

    Alien and Aliens: Excellent sci-fi but not "great" films.

    12 Years a Slave: Haven't seen it but seems too recent to be on a list
    like this.

    Spotlight: good but too recent.

    Playtime: not on my radar

    LA Confidential: Didn't click with me.

    Inception: Great movie? C'mon.

    Coco and Wall-E: Nice cartoons but not great.

    Under the Skin: loved it, but but does it belong in the canon of great
    movies? C'mon.

    The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers: Should be lumped with the others
    which makes me wonder where the rest of this 100 movie list is.

    I agree almost unreservedly with putting all the other films on this
    list, but there must be more to it somewhere. Love it or loathe it, GWTW belongs on a list of great movies and so do plenty more that don't show
    up here. At least it's clear the author has eclectic taste and a broad appreciation of the good stuff.

    --
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    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sun Dec 31 12:36:38 2023
    On 2023-12-30 21:44:26 +0000, Bill Anderson said:

    <snip>

    Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back: It's good, but the first
    movie was the brilliant one. So why isn't the first movie on the list?

    "Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back" is considered to be
    the best movie in the Saga by most people, including the majority of
    Star Wars fans.

    "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" (aka the original "Star Wars"
    movie) is often second in the lists, but not always.

    Although the original movie was ground-breaking in many ways and attention-grabbing, it is rather slow (the Vader Obi-Wan lightsabre
    battle for example). The Episode V movie has more pace, more story, and
    more action. A lot of people put it down to George Lucas not being a
    good director, or at least not a good explainer of what he wants (he's
    also often not considered a great writer - some of the lines in the
    Saga movies are attrocious).

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sat Dec 30 18:19:56 2023
    On 12/30/2023 4:44 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    On 12/23/2023 2:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 12/23/2023 2:50 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
    On 12/23/2023 12:38 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:

    Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a
    pretty good list.

    https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m





    Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION

    Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE
    SKIN

    (Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)





    The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally
    agree superb great movies. And then there are the weird ones.
    What are they doing there? Maybe I should have a look at some of
    them? Maybe I missed something?

    I don't recall any like that. (Well, I'm not sure I've ever
    watched SUNRISE end-to-end, usually opting to scratch that itch
    with NOSFERATU.) But, yes, certainly I'd check out any unseen
    talkies.



    Since you appeared to ask:


    Actually, I confess that I read your post too quickly, and somehow
    inferred you were talking about movies you hadn't seen (which I thought
    odd). I see now that 'weird' meant 'imposturing'...


    Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is a cartoon, a good one in fact,
    but it doesn't belong on a list with Lawrence of Arabia.

    You turned me off to this one. (Easily done for a cartoon.)


    The Shawshank Redemption is adored by millions, but not me. I'll
    admit I will always allow myself to enjoy the last 20 minutes or so,
    but still that doesn't make it a great movie.

    Every time SHAWSHANK gets praised, I feel a twinge of smug superiority.
    The worst kind of "crowd-pleaser".


    Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back: It's good, but the
    first movie was the brilliant one. So why isn't the first movie on
    the list?

    Because nobody appreciates that the first one was satire. Maybe not
    even George himself.


    Inside Out: Another cartoon, and a rather obscure one. I predict
    it'll soon be forgotten.

    Not by me, anyway, as it's a cartoon.


    Whiplash: Not on my radar.

    Defensible as brilliant, though its brilliance is what's to enjoy.
    Iirc, it made J.K. Simmons even more insufferable.


    Alien and Aliens: Excellent sci-fi but not "great" films.

    I enjoyed both of these (dissimilar) films far too much to begrudge them
    any superlatives.


    12 Years a Slave: Haven't seen it but seems too recent to be on a
    list like this.

    Political correctness, afaics. More "important" than good.


    Spotlight: good but too recent.

    P.C. again, whack-a-priest division. And I take "too recent" to mean
    "unlikely to be watched a second time". > Playtime: not on my radar
    I think I've seen it. Probably really funny in its original run.


    LA Confidential: Didn't click with me.

    I remember the excitement, but from a distance.


    Inception: Great movie? C'mon.

    Built on a gimmick, a half-hour one.


    Coco and Wall-E: Nice cartoons but not great.

    Tautology. (Well, not really, as I loved IRON GIANT.)


    Under the Skin: loved it, but but does it belong in the canon of
    great movies? C'mon.

    It's hard to turn hard sci-fi into a good movie. This one tried.


    The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers: Should be lumped with the
    others which makes me wonder where the rest of this 100 movie list
    is.

    The first one bowled over a skeptical, demanding audience. 'Nuff said.


    I agree almost unreservedly with putting all the other films on this
    list, but there must be more to it somewhere. Love it or loathe it,
    GWTW belongs on a list of great movies and so do plenty more that
    don't show up here. At least it's clear the author has eclectic taste
    and a broad appreciation of the good stuff.

    I'll choose to imagine the author compiled a first draft of Really Good
    Movies, and then let his beer buddies make "just a couple adjustments".

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