• Re: HARPO SPEAKS

    From moviePig@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sat Dec 28 17:48:20 2024
    On 12/28/2024 5:25 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    Recently, I finally got around to reading HARPO SPEAKS! (1961), the autobiography of Harpo Marx. It has been a while since I so thoroughly fell in love with a book that I was picking it up at odd hours of the day and night just to discover what new fascinating anecdote would be told next. Harpo and his brothers led remarkable lives that transported them far from their humble roots in New York’s upper east side, and I was delighted to go along for the ride.

    The book follows the Marx Brothers through their often dreary experiences
    in the dregs of the vaudeville circuits to triumphs on Broadway and in Hollywood. As this is an autobiography, obviously the focus of the book is Harpo, and I have to say he led such a rich, extraordinary life that I
    never cared I wasn’t learning much about the other brothers. I came to like Harpo so much that I seriously regret that but for this book I could never have known him apart from the character he portrayed in film and on television. I wish I could have hung out with him, lived next-door, had
    him for a friend. I think he must’ve been a truly decent human being and a terrific raconteur. 

    The book did leave me puzzled about a few things though. I mean, I wasn’t expecting a tell-all confessional, but I did wonder at times why I wasn’t
    getting just a little more of the story.  For a long stretch of his adult
    life basically it seemed that when Harpo wasn’t working he was hanging out with friends at the Algonquin Hotel or on a small island in Vermont or on
    the Riviera or maybe a few other places. Was that it? He just hung out with friends playing croquet or cards? Little else?

    And these friends, some of the biggest names in the arts and
    intelligentsia, seemed to treat him like a puppy dog they liked to have around. He never indicated in the book just what it was he brought to the (round) table, other than the willingness to sit quietly and listen. I don’t believe that. I believe he must’ve contributed far more than he admits or otherwise people like George Bernard Shaw would have dismissed
    him. And as for Alexander Woolcott, who considered himself the shining star of the Algonquin round table, would very many people remember him today if not for his association with Harpo Marx?  Some of the cognoscenti, sure;
    but people like me? Until I read this book, he was just a name I had heard somewhere. Clearly, there was lots more to Harpo than he let on in his autobiography.

    I also wonder why he and actress Susan Fleming began adopting children immediately after they were married. Was it a physical reason?
    Philosophical? As far as I could tell, the book gave no hint. And sure, whatever the reason, it had to be deeply personal and there was no requirement for Harpo to share it in the book. But that didn’t stop me from wondering. I will say one of the highlights of the book for me was learning about “the story” Harpo and Susan would tell their children at bedtime about how they searched high and low to find just the right babies to bring into their home. Now that was touching. 

    I think I wish there had been more in the book about the Broadway shows and the making of the Marx Brothers movies. Well I think I wish that. Maybe Harpo knew best; maybe the stories he did tell were more interesting than
    any he might’ve been able to tell about the work that went into the act. Maybe. But I still think I wish that.

    Am I sounding critical of the book? I hope not. I thoroughly enjoyedreading it and I recommend it to all Marx brothers fans and anybody else looking for an amusing, informative, instructive story about a man who knew how to live.

    You've convinced me to consider it.

    (And I'm reminded to highly re-recommend to any who haven't seen it
    TIM'S VERMEER, directed and co-written by Teller of 'Penn & Teller'.)

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 28 22:25:42 2024
    Recently, I finally got around to reading HARPO SPEAKS! (1961), the autobiography of Harpo Marx. It has been a while since I so thoroughly fell
    in love with a book that I was picking it up at odd hours of the day and
    night just to discover what new fascinating anecdote would be told next. Harpo and his brothers led remarkable lives that transported them far from their humble roots in New York’s upper east side, and I was delighted to go along for the ride.

    The book follows the Marx Brothers through their often dreary experiences
    in the dregs of the vaudeville circuits to triumphs on Broadway and in Hollywood. As this is an autobiography, obviously the focus of the book is Harpo, and I have to say he led such a rich, extraordinary life that I never cared I wasn’t learning much about the other brothers. I came to like Harpo so much that I seriously regret that but for this book I could
    never have known him apart from the character he portrayed in film and on television. I wish I could have hung out with him, lived next-door, had
    him for a friend. I think he must’ve been a truly decent human being and a terrific raconteur. 

    The book did leave me puzzled about a few things though. I mean, I wasn’t expecting a tell-all confessional, but I did wonder at times why I wasn’t getting just a little more of the story.  For a long stretch of his adult life basically it seemed that when Harpo wasn’t working he was hanging out with friends at the Algonquin Hotel or on a small island in Vermont or on
    the Riviera or maybe a few other places. Was that it? He just hung out with friends playing croquet or cards? Little else?

    And these friends, some of the biggest names in the arts and
    intelligentsia, seemed to treat him like a puppy dog they liked to have
    around. He never indicated in the book just what it was he brought to the (round) table, other than the willingness to sit quietly and listen. I
    don’t believe that. I believe he must’ve contributed far more than he admits or otherwise people like George Bernard Shaw would have dismissed
    him. And as for Alexander Woolcott, who considered himself the shining star
    of the Algonquin round table, would very many people remember him today if
    not for his association with Harpo Marx?  Some of the cognoscenti, sure;
    but people like me? Until I read this book, he was just a name I had heard somewhere. Clearly, there was lots more to Harpo than he let on in his autobiography.

    I also wonder why he and actress Susan Fleming began adopting children immediately after they were married. Was it a physical reason?
    Philosophical? As far as I could tell, the book gave no hint. And sure, whatever the reason, it had to be deeply personal and there was no
    requirement for Harpo to share it in the book. But that didn’t stop me from wondering. I will say one of the highlights of the book for me was learning about “the story” Harpo and Susan would tell their children at bedtime about how they searched high and low to find just the right babies to bring into their home. Now that was touching. 

    I think I wish there had been more in the book about the Broadway shows and
    the making of the Marx Brothers movies. Well I think I wish that. Maybe Harpo knew best; maybe the stories he did tell were more interesting than
    any he might’ve been able to tell about the work that went into the act. Maybe. But I still think I wish that.

    Am I sounding critical of the book? I hope not. I thoroughly
    enjoyedreading it and I recommend it to all Marx brothers fans and anybody else looking for an amusing, informative, instructive story about a man who knew how to live.


    Bill Anderson
    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sat Dec 28 22:55:09 2024
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 12/28/2024 5:25 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
    Recently, I finally got around to reading HARPO SPEAKS! (1961), the
    autobiography of Harpo Marx. It has been a while since I so thoroughly fell >> in love with a book that I was picking it up at odd hours of the day and
    night just to discover what new fascinating anecdote would be told next. >> Harpo and his brothers led remarkable lives that transported them far from >> their humble roots in New York’s upper east side, and I was delighted to go
    along for the ride.

    The book follows the Marx Brothers through their often dreary experiences
    in the dregs of the vaudeville circuits to triumphs on Broadway and in
    Hollywood. As this is an autobiography, obviously the focus of the book is
    Harpo, and I have to say he led such a rich, extraordinary life that I
    never cared I wasn’t learning much about the other brothers. I came to >> like Harpo so much that I seriously regret that but for this book I could
    never have known him apart from the character he portrayed in film and on
    television. I wish I could have hung out with him, lived next-door, had
    him for a friend. I think he must’ve been a truly decent human being and a >> terrific raconteur. 

    The book did leave me puzzled about a few things though. I mean, I wasn’t >> expecting a tell-all confessional, but I did wonder at times why I wasn’t
    getting just a little more of the story.  For a long stretch of his adult
    life basically it seemed that when Harpo wasn’t working he was hanging out >> with friends at the Algonquin Hotel or on a small island in Vermont or on
    the Riviera or maybe a few other places. Was that it? He just hung out with >> friends playing croquet or cards? Little else?

    And these friends, some of the biggest names in the arts and
    intelligentsia, seemed to treat him like a puppy dog they liked to have
    around. He never indicated in the book just what it was he brought to the
    (round) table, other than the willingness to sit quietly and listen. I
    don’t believe that. I believe he must’ve contributed far more than he
    admits or otherwise people like George Bernard Shaw would have dismissed
    him. And as for Alexander Woolcott, who considered himself the shining star >> of the Algonquin round table, would very many people remember him today if >> not for his association with Harpo Marx?  Some of the cognoscenti, sure;
    but people like me? Until I read this book, he was just a name I had heard >> somewhere. Clearly, there was lots more to Harpo than he let on in his
    autobiography.

    I also wonder why he and actress Susan Fleming began adopting children
    immediately after they were married. Was it a physical reason?
    Philosophical? As far as I could tell, the book gave no hint. And sure,
    whatever the reason, it had to be deeply personal and there was no
    requirement for Harpo to share it in the book. But that didn’t stop me from
    wondering. I will say one of the highlights of the book for me was learning >> about “the story” Harpo and Susan would tell their children at bedtime >> about how they searched high and low to find just the right babies to bring >> into their home. Now that was touching. 

    I think I wish there had been more in the book about the Broadway shows and >> the making of the Marx Brothers movies. Well I think I wish that. Maybe >> Harpo knew best; maybe the stories he did tell were more interesting than
    any he might’ve been able to tell about the work that went into the act. >> Maybe. But I still think I wish that.

    Am I sounding critical of the book? I hope not. I thoroughly
    enjoyedreading it and I recommend it to all Marx brothers fans and anybody
    else looking for an amusing, informative, instructive story about a man who >> knew how to live.

    You've convinced me to consider it.

    (And I'm reminded to highly re-recommend to any who haven't seen it
    TIM'S VERMEER, directed and co-written by Teller of 'Penn & Teller'.)




    I second the recommendation. The film is revelatory.

    --

    Bill Anderson
    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sat Dec 28 23:39:18 2024
    Bill Anderson <billanderson601@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . . And as for Alexander Woolcott, who considered himself the shining star >of the Algonquin round table, would very many people remember him today if >not for his association with Harpo Marx?

    He was immortalized by Kaufman and Hart so I'd say he's very well
    remembered today.

    Sounds like a good read. I've heard of the book but never read it.

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  • From Bill Anderson@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sun Dec 29 01:20:04 2024
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Bill Anderson <billanderson601@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . . And as for Alexander Woolcott, who considered himself the shining star >> of the Algonquin round table, would very many people remember him today if >> not for his association with Harpo Marx?

    He was immortalized by Kaufman and Hart so I'd say he's very well
    remembered today.

    Sounds like a good read. I've heard of the book but never read it.


    I can’t really argue your point, but I will say that I remember Sheridan Whiteside and Monty Woolley pretty clearly, though not much at all the
    source material. In fact, I’ll bet this is how I even vaguely remember the name Alexander Woolcott, having read it in some review of the movie. I
    think the character of Waldo Lydecker was also based on Alexander Woolcott. Seems like his reputation is a lot more famous than his work.

    How long has it been since Waldo Lydecker posted here? I do miss the old
    days.

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    Bill Anderson
    I am the Mighty Favog

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Bill Anderson on Sun Dec 29 02:27:49 2024
    Bill Anderson <billanderson601@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Bill Anderson <billanderson601@yahoo.com> wrote:

    . . . And as for Alexander Woolcott, who considered himself the shining star >>>of the Algonquin round table, would very many people remember him today if >>>not for his association with Harpo Marx?

    He was immortalized by Kaufman and Hart so I'd say he's very well >>remembered today.

    Sounds like a good read. I've heard of the book but never read it.

    I can't really argue your point, but I will say that I remember Sheridan >Whiteside and Monty Woolley pretty clearly, though not much at all the
    source material. In fact, I'll bet this is how I even vaguely remember the >name Alexander Woolcott, having read it in some review of the movie. I
    think the character of Waldo Lydecker was also based on Alexander Woolcott. >Seems like his reputation is a lot more famous than his work.

    I've read that, but I think Clifton Webb created an original character.

    How long has it been since Waldo Lydecker posted here? I do miss the old >days.

    Heh

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