On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 2:59:04 PM UTC-5, BTR1701 wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

I guess it was too much to hope for that they'd cancelled Discovery
and banned Kurtzman from any further involvement in Star Trek.

I'm actually enjoying this season much more than the first one. It's
starting to feel like STAR TREK again.

The only things I like about this show are the special effects. It does not feel like Star Trek to me at all. They are not encountering interesting new aliens. They are not resolving morally challenging situations. They have done much by way of
helping anyone. There is little or no glimpse of Federation society or even of Star Fleet. And there is no hint that there is little hint that these are exemplary human beings as one gets from most previous Star Trek series.

I also find that the series writes a lot of what our society would be concerned about into the series. In previous series, the writers and producers drew pictures of what they imagined future societies would be like.

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On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 4:11:12 PM UTC-5, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

In article <OqmdnS8hYI4i2-rBnZ2dnUU7-UPNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I'm still wondering why Burnham is the only crewmember whose uniform has >silver piping when everyone else's is gold.

It's a warning flag: "If this crewman disagrees with your orders,
she will Vulcan Nerve-Pinch you and do what she darn well pleases
while you're unconscious."

As to why such a person would be trusted to be on a starship in
any capacity ... I have no clue. Perhaps they explained it at
some point, but I don't get that CBS special pay TV thing.
I tried to think up something that might approach a logical
explanation for why Star Fleet would consider her worth the
risk, or even let her out of prison, and came up empty.

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And what is Sylvia Tilly's role?

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On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 5:02:13 PM UTC-5, BTR1701 wrote:

Mike Van Pelt <mvp@web1.calweb.com> wrote:

In article <OqmdnS8hYI4i2-rBnZ2dnUU7-UPNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I'm still wondering why Burnham is the only crewmember whose uniform has >> silver piping when everyone else's is gold.

It's a warning flag: "If this crewman disagrees with your orders,
she will Vulcan Nerve-Pinch you and do what she darn well pleases
while you're unconscious."

As to why such a person would be trusted to be on a starship in
any capacity ... I have no clue. Perhaps they explained it at
some point, but I don't get that CBS special pay TV thing.
I tried to think up something that might approach a logical
explanation for why Star Fleet would consider her worth the
risk, or even let her out of prison, and came up empty.

That's less absurd than them putting a former Klingon overlord and the psychopathic Terran Emperor from the alternate universe in the Starfleet equivalent of the CIA.

And what is that alternate universe crap about anyway? In the other series they did not have episodes like those until they began to run out of ideas in the later seasons.

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On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 8:28:25 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 01:02:54 GMT, mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt)
wrote:

In article <q59pln$7eu$1@dont-email.me>,
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

I was watching some YouTube videos about Discovery and several former >>sailors and soldiers commented that if anyone had been as reluctant to >>follow orders as Burnham has been, it would have gone very VERY badly >>for them.

"Reluctant to follow orders" is one thing. "Captain, you have a >multi-legged creature crawling on your shoulder. <pinch>" (goes
onto bridge) "The Captain's orders are (orders exactly opposite
of what the captain actually ordered)" goes a bit beyond that.

With the caveat that that first episode that did not require
subscribing to CBS I'm Not Accessing It is the only episode
I've seen. I think I heard from somewhere that Burnham spent
some time in a Federation stockade, but nothing about who
sprung her, much less how flat-out mutiny got "overlooked"
and she's back on the bridge of a Federation starship.

She wasn't "sprung" in any episode I saw--she was commandeered for
reasons I don't recall and not trusted.

However I gave up on it when they did the Groundhog Day
episode--Stargate didn't go there until Season 4 and Xena until Season
3.

Yes. It is kind of crazy to see this series regurgitating the very worst ideas from previous series in the very first season.

Personally, I don't think that anyone knows how to simultaneously make Star Trek series both have mass market appeal and appeal to Trekkies. It can only happen by happy accident. I think that the smart move is to go for the Trekkies and let the thing
grow by word of mouth if it is going to grow. They seem to be going for mass market appeal from the get go. I think that this series is failing for the same reasons that _Enterprise_ failed.

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