The answer is yes. Yes it does.
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead. :-(
In article <t2vkmf$mtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead. :-(
And then there is Chibnall and Doctor Who!
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead. :-(
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
Le 11/04/2022 à 00:11, Your Name a écrit :
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
"Enterprise" is not a reboot, rather a prequel.
And in contrast to the 2009+ fake-trek, ENT is fully consistent with
the existing universe, built by TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY
On 2022-04-26 09:44:38 +0000, pehache said:
Le 11/04/2022 à 00:11, Your Name a écrit :
On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
"Enterprise" is not a reboot, rather a prequel.
It was both - it was a reboot set before Kirk's time. Beavis & Butthead
were trying to reboot the franchise due to supposed "franchise fatigue"
after TNG, DS9, VOY, and TNG movies.
And in contrast to the 2009+ fake-trek, ENT is fully consistent with
the existing universe, built by TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY
Not only did it not consisent with the then-existing universe,
they
purposely tried to distance it by not calling it "Star Trek:
Enterprise",
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
<travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
her acting.
Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.
Strange New World varied between okay and not interesting. Having a
man play the role of a slender woman will make some people happy. It's
part of the producer's politics. I didn't appreciate it.
CBS has mostly ruined Star Trek for many fans of the first 5 tv
series.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
<travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
her acting.
Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.
It's not just Star Trek:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLK
It's not just Star Trek:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLK
On 2022-09-11, dump...@hotmail.com <dump...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's not just Star Trek:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLKIf anyone has the courage to bravely do an "experimental" 1950's style hero movie--Star Trek or otherwise--I predict it would be *very* successful despite a firestorm of (predictable) criticism.
Do I hold my breath in hopes that this might actually occur?
......no.
pH in Aptos
On 2022-08-24 04:24:37 +0000, DaveJohnson12@nomail. said:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
<travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
her acting.
Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.
Strange New World varied between okay and not interesting. Having a
man play the role of a slender woman will make some people happy. It's
part of the producer's politics. I didn't appreciate it.
CBS has mostly ruined Star Trek for many fans of the first 5 tv
series.
There's only four TV series:
 - Star Trek [the original show]
 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
 - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
 - Star Trek: Voyager
Five, I guess, if you include the original animated "Star Trek" show.
Plus of course the first few movies, although the 'save the whales' one
was rather silly.
After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
"Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title being a massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse movies.
Le 24/08/2022 à 06:19, Your Name a écrit :
On 2022-08-24 04:24:37 +0000, DaveJohnson12@nomail. said:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
<travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
The answer is yes. Yes it does.
I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
her acting.
Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.
Strange New World varied between okay and not interesting. Having a
man play the role of a slender woman will make some people happy. It's
part of the producer's politics. I didn't appreciate it.
CBS has mostly ruined Star Trek for many fans of the first 5 tv
series.
There's only four TV series:
 - Star Trek [the original show]
 - Star Trek: The Next Generation
 - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
 - Star Trek: Voyager
Five, I guess, if you include the original animated "Star Trek" show.
Plus of course the first few movies, although the 'save the whales' one
was rather silly.
After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
"Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title being
a massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse movies.
Enterprise is fully part of the historical ST and retains all the spirit of ST.
After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
"Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title
being a massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse
movies.
Enterprise is fully part of the historical ST and retains all the
spirit of ST.
"Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
The idiots making it
even said they were making a "Star Trek" show to try to appeal to
non-Star Trek fans (hence leaving "Star Trek" out of the title) ... what
they ended up with was a show that didn't appeal to most Star Trek fans either.
Le 13/09/2022 à 22:34, Your Name a écrit :
After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
"Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title being >>>> a massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse movies.
Enterprise is fully part of the historical ST and retains all the spirit of ST.
"Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
It's not a reboot it's a prequel.
The idiots making it even said they were making a "Star Trek" show to
try to appeal to non-Star Trek fans (hence leaving "Star Trek" out of
the title) ... what they ended up with was a show that didn't appeal to
most Star Trek fans either.
Last time I asked, you have been unable to list any significant
inconsistency between ENT and the other shows.
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 7:56:51 PM UTC-7, pH wrote:
On 2022-09-11, dump...@hotmail.com <dump...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's not just Star Trek:despite a firestorm of (predictable) criticism.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLK >> If anyone has the courage to bravely do an "experimental" 1950's style hero >> movie--Star Trek or otherwise--I predict it would be *very* successful
Do I hold my breath in hopes that this might actually occur?
......no.
pH in Aptos
Hollywoke doesn't like Capt. Kirk and his ilk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heDoY1dALoA
"Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
It's not a reboot it's a prequel.
It's a supposed prequel that in reality is just another reboot.
It's possible to be termed both, or in other examples it can be a sequel
and a reboot. They do it often. Simply saying it is set earlier/later in
the timeline doens't actually mean it fits with existing content or does
not make idiotic changes for the sake of it. The up-coming new "Quantum
Leap" is supposedly a sequel, but similarly is in reality just a reboot. Another example was the "Knight Rider" (using a crappy Mustang).
The idiots making it even said they were making a "Star Trek" show to
try to appeal to non-Star Trek fans (hence leaving "Star Trek" out of
the title) ... what they ended up with was a show that didn't appeal
to most Star Trek fans either.
Last time I asked, you have been unable to list any significant
inconsistency between ENT and the other shows.
There are many lists available all over the internet of the problems
with "Enterprise",
starting with the opening song
and the lack of "Star
Trek" in the title,
and going on from there
(including the soft-porn
"oil me up, Scotty" decontamination scenes).
Hell, even Beavis &
Butthead making it reportedly said they were making it for non-Star Trek fans, which includes making idiotic changes.
Le 17/09/2022 à 00:42, Your Name a écrit :<snip>
"Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
It's not a reboot it's a prequel.
It's a supposed prequel that in reality is just another reboot.
It's possible to be termed both, or in other examples it can be a
sequel and a reboot. They do it often. Simply saying it is set
earlier/later in the timeline doens't actually mean it fits with
existing content or does not make idiotic changes for the sake of it.
The up-coming new "Quantum Leap" is supposedly a sequel, but similarly
is in reality just a reboot. Another example was the "Knight Rider"
(using a crappy Mustang).
Still, Enterprise is a prequel, not a reboot.
On 2022-09-17 13:43:53 +0000, pehache said:
Le 17/09/2022 à00:42, Your Name a écrit :<snip>
"Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
It's not a reboot it's a prequel.
It's a supposed prequel that in reality is just another reboot.
It's possible to be termed both, or in other examples it can be a
sequel and a reboot. They do it often. Simply saying it is set
earlier/later in the timeline doens't actually mean it fits with
existing content or does not make idiotic changes for the sake of it.
The up-coming new "Quantum Leap" is supposedly a sequel, but
similarly is in reality just a reboot. Another example was the
"Knight Rider" (using a crappy Mustang).
Still, Enterprise is a prequel, not a reboot.
Another braindead numbnut with the reading comprehension of a dried dog
poo for the killfile. :-\
I don't hate Enterprise. I've seen maybe half of the episodes, off and
on. But there were a lot of inconsistencies and canon violations.
Prequels almost always do this.
I recall contact with the Gorn, Ferengi, and Borg long before that
should have happened.
Also, why are the Xindi NEVER mentioned again in the other Trek shows,
even though they were a major power and fought a war with Earth? Again, prequels cause problems.
Also, the idea that mind melds were forbidden was dumb.
I don't claim that Entreprise is a perfect prequel. But given all the challenges to build a prequel, I find that they did really well.
Le 23/09/2022 à 22:05, pehache a écrit :
I don't claim that Entreprise is a perfect prequel. But given all the
challenges to build a prequel, I find that they did really well.
All the more if we take into account the pressure from the studio.
Berman didn't want to start a new serie right after Voyager, he was
feeling that the audience was less demanding after 14 years non-stop and
that waiting a few years before starting a new one would be wise.
Paramount ignored that and answered "we'll do it anyway, with or without you".
The full Xindi arc was resulting from a demand of the studio after the
9-11.
The initial plan was at least a 7-seasons serie (or possibly more) to
develop all the events that led to the creation of the Federation and
explain many things that exist in TOS-TNG etc... Once cancelled, they
had to shrink everything into the 4th season, which was mission: impossible...
Le 23/09/2022 à 22:05, pehache a écrit :<snip>
I don't claim that Entreprise is a perfect prequel. But given all the
challenges to build a prequel, I find that they did really well.
All the more if we take into account the pressure from the studio.
Berman didn't want to start a new serie right after Voyager, he was
feeling that the audience was less demanding after 14 years non-stop and
that waiting a few years before starting a new one would be wise.
Hollywoke doesn't like Capt. Kirk and his ilk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heDoY1dALoA
I went and watched this....thank-you for this link.
On 2022-09-24, pehache <pehache.7@gmail.com> wrote:
Le 23/09/2022 à22:05, pehache a écrit :
I don't claim that Entreprise is a perfect prequel. But given all the
challenges to build a prequel, I find that they did really well.
All the more if we take into account the pressure from the studio.
Berman didn't want to start a new serie right after Voyager, he was
feeling that the audience was less demanding after 14 years non-stop and
that waiting a few years before starting a new one would be wise.
<snip>
Ahhh, the old "franchise fatigue" nonsense to explain away the fact that
they had no senisble ideas and simply wanted to do things they're own
way via a moronic "reboot"
(because of course they "know better" than
Gene Roddenberry what Star Trek is "meant to be").  :-\
Then the studio replaced them and JarJar Abrams made even more
idiotic changes and garbage.
Imagine if TOS had included woke bullshit. You would have had a blackUhura was an excellent officer, but not a Mary Sue like Mikey Burnham.
woman on the bridge who wasn't there just to clean it.
Or planets thatAn episode that showed the cop AND the social activist as equally insane
were just heavy-handed metaphors for US 1960s race relations.
From the woke point of view his impregnation of the faux native maiden
was the last straw.
I know there was some talk about giving Takei his own Excelsior TV show.
That Voyager episode does seem to be a backdoor pilot for that.
I like Sulu and I love the Excelsior and would have loved to see THAT
show. I was so disappointed they went the way they did with Enterprise.
But Enterprise looks like Shakespeare compared to what Abrams, Kurtzman,
and Orci have cranked out since 2009. I do enjoy most of the episodes
that I've seen. It seemed to improve a lot in the last couple seasons.
On 2022-10-01, Travoltron <travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
I know there was some talk about giving Takei his own Excelsior TV show.
That Voyager episode does seem to be a backdoor pilot for that.
I like Sulu and I love the Excelsior and would have loved to see THAT
show. I was so disappointed they went the way they did with Enterprise.
But Enterprise looks like Shakespeare compared to what Abrams, Kurtzman,
and Orci have cranked out since 2009. I do enjoy most of the episodes
that I've seen. It seemed to improve a lot in the last couple seasons.
I wrote a letter to Paramount after that particular Star Trek movie came out proposing that as well.
Oh well, what does one 'fan letter' amount to.
Only Takei, Koenig and Shatner are left from the old series....they better hop on it if it's to happen. (Kind of like Bing Crosby dying just before they were going to do one more "on the road" w/ Bob Hope).
pH in Aptos
On 2022-10-01 17:55:53 +0000, pH said:
On 2022-10-01, Travoltron <travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
I know there was some talk about giving Takei his own Excelsior TV show. >>> That Voyager episode does seem to be a backdoor pilot for that.
I like Sulu and I love the Excelsior and would have loved to see THAT
show. I was so disappointed they went the way they did with Enterprise.
But Enterprise looks like Shakespeare compared to what Abrams, Kurtzman, >>> and Orci have cranked out since 2009. I do enjoy most of the episodes
that I've seen. It seemed to improve a lot in the last couple seasons.
I wrote a letter to Paramount after that particular Star Trek movie came out >> proposing that as well.
Oh well, what does one 'fan letter' amount to.
Only Takei, Koenig and Shatner are left from the old series....they better >> hop on it if it's to happen. (Kind of like Bing Crosby dying just before
they were going to do one more "on the road" w/ Bob Hope).
pH in Aptos
They're all too old to base a TV show around. Stewart is too old as
well, as "Picard" rather proves - he's now a doddery old man (or
perhaps that shold be even more doddery).
They should never have killed off Kirk. Shatner obviously had so many
good and healthy DECADES after that. What a waste. And he wanted to
appear in JJ Trek and JJ squandered the opportunity.
But Enterprise looks like Shakespeare compared to what Abrams, Kurtzman,
and Orci have cranked out since 2009.
I do enjoy most of the episodes
that I've seen. It seemed to improve a lot in the last couple seasons.
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