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What is the 1st movie which focused on
A Game (a contest) between Cop and Perp(Villain)?
like a Chess game?


The Ministry of Fear (1944): This film features a detective chasing a
killer who leaves cryptic clues, creating a puzzle-like game that the
detective must solve. It leans more towards a game of riddles and
deciphering the villain's mind than a traditional chess match.


Wait Until Dark (1967): This film features a blind woman being
terrorized by criminals who are unaware of her disability. The
protagonist uses her wit and cunning to outsmart them, creating a
suspenseful mental battle.


Frenzy (1972): This Alfred Hitchcock film features a detective chasing
a serial killer, with both employing psychological tactics and trying to anticipate each other's moves.


Modern Films (1960s - Present):

Modern films often explicitly explore the psychological battle between
cops and criminals, with elaborate plans and counter-plans.
Possible contenders:


* **French Connection (1971):** This gritty film depicts a detective relentlessly pursuing drug smugglers, with both sides employing strategies.

------ Yes, the scene in the NYC subway,
where the French kingpin waves from within the train.


* **Se7en (1995):** This film features a serial killer who stages his
murders as elaborate puzzles, forcing detectives into a mental game.

* **The Silence of the Lambs (1991):** This film features a complex psychological battle between an FBI agent and a serial killer, with both manipulating each other.

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"The Taking of Pelham 123" (1974) -- The 1st film to focus on
the Villain's psychology?


Fritz Lang's "Dr. Mabuse, the Gambler" (1922) explores the
psychological manipulation of a criminal mastermind.

Scarface (1932): This film delves into the driven ambition and ruthless
nature of a gangster.

Psycho (1960): This iconic film explores the disturbed psyche of Norman
Bates, blurring the lines between victim and villain.


Peeping Tom is a 1960 British psychological horror-thriller film
directed by Michael Powell and written by Leo Marks. It stars Carl
Boehm, Anna Massey, and Moira Shearer.

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HenHanna wrote:

What is the 1st movie which focused on
          A Game (a contest) between Cop and Perp(Villain)?
                 like a Chess game?

Eeek, don't leave out Arsene Lupin and Detective
Justin Ganimard.

The first film for Lupin was in 1908 (but I
don't know if Ganimard is in it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsene_Lupin

The "gentleman thief" credo apparently involves
the game aspects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_thief

"They steal not only to gain material wealth
but also for the thrill of the act itself..."

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On 6/22/2024 10:11 PM, Tilde wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

What is the 1st movie which focused on
           A Game (a contest) between Cop and Perp(Villain)?
                  like a Chess game?

Eeek, don't leave out Arsene Lupin and Detective
Justin Ganimard.

The first film for Lupin was in 1908 (but I
don't know if Ganimard is in it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsene_Lupin

The "gentleman thief" credo apparently involves
the game aspects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_thief

"They steal not only to gain material wealth
but also for the thrill of the act itself..."

Arsene Lupin -- is indeed a pioneering look
into the 1st person POV(psychology) of a Villain.



"The Taking of Pelham 123" (1974) -- The 1st film to focus on
the Villain's psychology?

in the original film, Shaw is just a psychopath with a Brit accent.

in the remake, Travolta is interesting as a character.



is Tilde new? or has been a regular at AUE ?



"The Taking of Pelham 123" (1974)-- when i rewatched this,
i finally saw how W.Matthau (sp?) is an interesting actor.

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Le 23/06/2024 à 06:53, HenHanna a écrit :

On 6/22/2024 10:11 PM, Tilde wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

What is the 1st movie which focused on
           A Game (a contest) between Cop and Perp(Villain)?
                  like a Chess game?

Eeek, don't leave out Arsene Lupin and Detective
Justin Ganimard.

The first film for Lupin was in 1908 (but I
don't know if Ganimard is in it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsene_Lupin

The "gentleman thief" credo apparently involves
the game aspects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_thief

"They steal not only to gain material wealth
but also for the thrill of the act itself..."

Arsene Lupin -- is indeed a pioneering look
                 into the 1st person POV(psychology) of a Villain. [...]

It's a long time (21 years) since I read 'Arsène Lupin contre Herlock Sholmès' etc., and, if my memory of him is reliable, I much prefer
Raffles - who of course came before Lupin. The first film about Raffles appeared in 1905, the first about Lupin in 1908.

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HenHanna wrote:

On 6/22/2024 10:11 PM, Tilde wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

What is the 1st movie which focused on
           A Game (a contest) between Cop and Perp(Villain)?
                  like a Chess game?

Eeek, don't leave out Arsene Lupin and Detective
Justin Ganimard.

The first film for Lupin was in 1908 (but I
don't know if Ganimard is in it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsene_Lupin

The "gentleman thief" credo apparently involves
the game aspects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_thief

"They steal not only to gain material wealth
but also for the thrill of the act itself..."

Arsene Lupin -- is indeed a pioneering look
                 into the 1st person POV(psychology) of a Villain.

"The Taking of Pelham 123" (1974) -- The 1st film to focus on
                                   the Villain's  psychology?

Doubtful it's the first, but you'd need a film
historian to add older examples. Film noir should
be especially fertile for that.

in the original film, Shaw is just a psychopath with a Brit accent.
              in the remake, Travolta is interesting as a character.

Haven't seen that remake in a while, what I recall
is Travolta's hammy performance. He couldn't hold
a candle to Shaw.

is Tilde new?   or has been a regular at AUE ?

Tildes - accenting text since ancient Greece.

"The Taking of Pelham 123" (1974)-- when i rewatched this,
              i finally saw how W.Matthau (sp?) is an interesting actor.

There have been three adaptations of the book,
I have not seen the made-for-tv version. The 1974
version would be the one to beat.

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Hibou wrote:

Le 23/06/2024 à 06:53, HenHanna a écrit :

On 6/22/2024 10:11 PM, Tilde wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

What is the 1st movie which focused on
           A Game (a contest) between Cop and Perp(Villain)? >>>>                   like a Chess game?

Eeek, don't leave out Arsene Lupin and Detective
Justin Ganimard.

The first film for Lupin was in 1908 (but I
don't know if Ganimard is in it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsene_Lupin

The "gentleman thief" credo apparently involves
the game aspects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_thief

"They steal not only to gain material wealth
but also for the thrill of the act itself..."

Arsene Lupin -- is indeed a pioneering look
                  into the 1st person POV(psychology) of a Villain. [...]

It's a long time (21 years) since I read 'Arsène Lupin contre Herlock Sholmès' etc., and, if my memory of him is reliable, I much prefer
Raffles - who of course came before Lupin. The first film about Raffles appeared in 1905, the first about Lupin in 1908.

Definitely Raffles, and let's include Simon
Templar. There are a couple others but those
three are the ones that always come to (my)
mind. Templar in particular has enjoyed a
lot of ongoing popularity.

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On 28/06/24 13:06, Tilde wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

is Tilde new? or has been a regular at AUE ?

Tildes - accenting text since ancient Greece.

Also featuring in the song 'Waltzing my ~'.

--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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Le 28/06/2024 à 07:24, Peter Moylan a écrit :

On 28/06/24 13:06, Tilde wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

is Tilde new?   or has been a regular at AUE ?

Tildes - accenting text since ancient Greece.

Also featuring in the song 'Waltzing my ~'.

<Smile>

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