• Power banks for stereo receivers anyone?

    From super70s@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 27 21:08:59 2022
    I have a late '90s vintage Sony receiver that I like pretty well. The
    only problem is when the power goes out and then comes back on the
    receiver automatically turns on in the TUNER mode and isn't tuned into
    any particular station, just loud static. Also, it isn't smart enough to remember the radio station pre-sets I've entered in, and I have to reset
    them all over again.

    I was just wondering if anyone has experience with power banks that will automatically keep power to a stereo receiver during a power outage, if
    there is such a beast? Not looking for something really huge or that
    costs an arm and a leg.

    The specs for the receiver state its power requirements are "120 V AC,
    60 kHz" and its power consumption is "186 W" for the USA model, which I
    guess is pretty common.

    From what I've learned from a little investigation such a power bank
    needs to have "pass-through" charging to be able to stay charged and
    discharge power at the same time, not all power banks can do this.

    TIA for you help.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 29 05:24:51 2022
    On 28/12/2022 2:08 pm, super70s wrote:
    I have a late '90s vintage Sony receiver that I like pretty well. The
    only problem is when the power goes out and then comes back on the
    receiver automatically turns on in the TUNER mode and isn't tuned into
    any particular station, just loud static. Also, it isn't smart enough to remember the radio station pre-sets I've entered in, and I have to reset
    them all over again.

    I was just wondering if anyone has experience with power banks that will automatically keep power to a stereo receiver during a power outage, if
    there is such a beast? Not looking for something really huge or that
    costs an arm and a leg.

    The specs for the receiver state its power requirements are "120 V AC,
    60 kHz" and its power consumption is "186 W" for the USA model, which I
    guess is pretty common.

    From what I've learned from a little investigation such a power bank
    needs to have "pass-through" charging to be able to stay charged and discharge power at the same time, not all power banks can do this.

    TIA for you help.

    **A quick analysis of the schematic/specs for your Sony will enable us
    to provide a sensible answer to your question. Unfortunately, you
    declined to provide vital information to allow anyone to assist you.

    We need to know the model number of your Sony.

    It is highly likely that the memory capacitor has aged such that it now requires replacement. An easy enough job, but impossible without knowing
    which Sony you have.

    Forget about "power bank" silliness (whatever that means) and repair the problem. A competent tech should be able to solve the problem quickly
    and painlessly.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Wed Dec 28 14:00:47 2022
    In article <k13fviFlsqpU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

    On 28/12/2022 2:08 pm, super70s wrote:
    I have a late '90s vintage Sony receiver that I like pretty well. The
    only problem is when the power goes out and then comes back on the
    receiver automatically turns on in the TUNER mode and isn't tuned into
    any particular station, just loud static. Also, it isn't smart enough to remember the radio station pre-sets I've entered in, and I have to reset them all over again.

    I was just wondering if anyone has experience with power banks that will automatically keep power to a stereo receiver during a power outage, if there is such a beast? Not looking for something really huge or that
    costs an arm and a leg.

    The specs for the receiver state its power requirements are "120 V AC,
    60 kHz" and its power consumption is "186 W" for the USA model, which I guess is pretty common.

    From what I've learned from a little investigation such a power bank
    needs to have "pass-through" charging to be able to stay charged and discharge power at the same time, not all power banks can do this.

    TIA for you help.

    **A quick analysis of the schematic/specs for your Sony will enable us
    to provide a sensible answer to your question. Unfortunately, you
    declined to provide vital information to allow anyone to assist you.

    We need to know the model number of your Sony.

    It is highly likely that the memory capacitor has aged such that it now requires replacement. An easy enough job, but impossible without knowing which Sony you have.

    Forget about "power bank" silliness (whatever that means) and repair the problem. A competent tech should be able to solve the problem quickly
    and painlessly.

    I'm not sure if this particular model (STR-D365) ever had a "memory
    capacitor" to begin with, there's nothing mentioned in the manual about
    it remembering radio station presets after a power outage.

    I also happen to own its "big brother" from that line, STR-D615, and it
    doesn't have those same problems. In its manual, it states: "The
    memorized station is maintained for approximately one month even if the
    power cord is disconnected from the AC power outlet." I quit using it
    because I experienced these weird micro-second audio dropouts every 20
    minutes or so when viewing DVDs/Blu-Rays. It also has a "surround-sound" feature when using four speakers but I never could get it to work right
    (in any of its three surround modes - Hall, Simulated or Dolby). Its
    technology is just too old I guess.

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  • From Dick Pierce@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Wed Dec 28 11:12:43 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 1:48:05 PM UTC-5, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 28/12/2022 2:08 pm, super70s wrote:
    I have a late '90s vintage Sony receiver that I like pretty well. The
    only problem is when the power goes out and then comes back on the
    receiver automatically turns on in the TUNER mode and isn't tuned into
    any particular station, just loud static. Also, it isn't smart enough to remember the radio station pre-sets I've entered in, and I have to reset them all over again.

    I was just wondering if anyone has experience with power banks that will automatically keep power to a stereo receiver during a power outage, if there is such a beast? Not looking for something really huge or that
    costs an arm and a leg.

    The specs for the receiver state its power requirements are "120 V AC,
    60 kHz" and its power consumption is "186 W" for the USA model, which I guess is pretty common.

    From what I've learned from a little investigation such a power bank
    needs to have "pass-through" charging to be able to stay charged and discharge power at the same time, not all power banks can do this.

    Almost every single "UPS" on the market does this.

    **A quick analysis of the schematic/specs for your Sony will enable us
    to provide a sensible answer to your question. Unfortunately, you
    declined to provide vital information to allow anyone to assist you.

    We need to know the model number of your Sony.

    It is highly likely that the memory capacitor has aged such that it now requires replacement. An easy enough job, but impossible without knowing which Sony you have.

    Agreed.

    Forget about "power bank" silliness (whatever that means) and repair the problem.

    Totally agreed. Assuming the consumption is, as you stated, a suitably
    size UPS (Uninteruptable Power SUpply, what you're calling a "power bank")
    is an absurdly expensive solution to what is likely a much simpler problem,
    as Trevor is suggestiing. Let's see why.

    Assuming your 186 watt consumption is correct (actually, let's call it
    200 watts for a safe margin), how long a power outage do you need
    for this to handle? Coversely, how much can you afford and how
    long will that money get you?

    Well, under $200 might get you perhaps an hour of backup, best case
    (assuming your stereo is on and running: if it's off, maybe a day). This would be for a 1000 VA capacity

    Now, these contrivances are NOT meant for subsitute power of the kind you're looking for. They're intended to give whatever system they are protecting enough
    time (maybe 10 minutes) to save all data and do an orderly shutdown or
    enough time for the REAL backup power to come up and stabilize to keep
    things running (NB: this what the boys at Chernobyl were trying to test when the totally f*cked things up in a gigantic way).

    No, Trevor has it right: fix the problem not the symptoms.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 29 12:12:52 2022
    On 29/12/2022 7:00 am, super70s wrote:
    In article <k13fviFlsqpU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

    On 28/12/2022 2:08 pm, super70s wrote:
    I have a late '90s vintage Sony receiver that I like pretty well. The
    only problem is when the power goes out and then comes back on the
    receiver automatically turns on in the TUNER mode and isn't tuned into
    any particular station, just loud static. Also, it isn't smart enough to >>> remember the radio station pre-sets I've entered in, and I have to reset >>> them all over again.

    I was just wondering if anyone has experience with power banks that will >>> automatically keep power to a stereo receiver during a power outage, if
    there is such a beast? Not looking for something really huge or that
    costs an arm and a leg.

    The specs for the receiver state its power requirements are "120 V AC,
    60 kHz" and its power consumption is "186 W" for the USA model, which I
    guess is pretty common.

    From what I've learned from a little investigation such a power bank
    needs to have "pass-through" charging to be able to stay charged and
    discharge power at the same time, not all power banks can do this.

    TIA for you help.

    **A quick analysis of the schematic/specs for your Sony will enable us
    to provide a sensible answer to your question. Unfortunately, you
    declined to provide vital information to allow anyone to assist you.

    We need to know the model number of your Sony.

    It is highly likely that the memory capacitor has aged such that it now
    requires replacement. An easy enough job, but impossible without knowing
    which Sony you have.

    Forget about "power bank" silliness (whatever that means) and repair the
    problem. A competent tech should be able to solve the problem quickly
    and painlessly.

    I'm not sure if this particular model (STR-D365) ever had a "memory capacitor" to begin with, there's nothing mentioned in the manual about
    it remembering radio station presets after a power outage.

    **Of course. Replacing the memory capacitor is a job for a professional.
    The PCB on which the capacitor is mounted has VERY fine traces and great
    care must be taken to replace that capacitor.

    FWIW: The capacitor which must be replaced is PCB designation: C201. It
    is a 0.22F/5.5 Volt type.


    I also happen to own its "big brother" from that line, STR-D615, and it doesn't have those same problems.

    **That's probably because it's memory capacitor is still OK. Some last
    for many decades. Some don't.



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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Dick Pierce on Wed Dec 28 17:08:00 2022
    In article <9d2649b1-f151-42e5-8c27-6c8eb5eb7a7fn@googlegroups.com>,
    Dick Pierce <dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com> wrote:

    Assuming your 186 watt consumption is correct (actually, let's call it
    200 watts for a safe margin), how long a power outage do you need
    for this to handle? Coversely, how much can you afford and how
    long will that money get you?

    Well, under $200 might get you perhaps an hour of backup, best case
    (assuming your stereo is on and running: if it's off, maybe a day). This would
    be for a 1000 VA capacity

    I could live with only an hour of backup, that would be better than
    nothing. Many times when a power outage happens it's only a brief one.
    This receiver I'm talking about seems to lose all settings even when the
    outage is only a few minutes.

    We had one of those "rolling blackouts" this past weekend due to the
    unusually cold weather and it was only for 15 minutes. (The Tennessee
    Valley Authority [TVA] services the power companies in my area, they've
    since apologized and promised to see what they can do to prevent it from happening again.)

    I just thought someone in the audiophile world might have a setup for uninterrupted power to some vintage equipment they might own (which
    often doesn't have the "memory capacitor" technology) for whatever
    reason.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 29 13:54:44 2022
    On 29/12/2022 10:08 am, super70s wrote:
    In article <9d2649b1-f151-42e5-8c27-6c8eb5eb7a7fn@googlegroups.com>,
    Dick Pierce <dpierce.cartchunk.org@gmail.com> wrote:

    Assuming your 186 watt consumption is correct (actually, let's call it
    200 watts for a safe margin), how long a power outage do you need
    for this to handle? Coversely, how much can you afford and how
    long will that money get you?

    Well, under $200 might get you perhaps an hour of backup, best case
    (assuming your stereo is on and running: if it's off, maybe a day). This would
    be for a 1000 VA capacity

    I could live with only an hour of backup, that would be better than
    nothing. Many times when a power outage happens it's only a brief one.
    This receiver I'm talking about seems to lose all settings even when the outage is only a few minutes.

    We had one of those "rolling blackouts" this past weekend due to the unusually cold weather and it was only for 15 minutes. (The Tennessee
    Valley Authority [TVA] services the power companies in my area, they've
    since apologized and promised to see what they can do to prevent it from happening again.)

    I just thought someone in the audiophile world might have a setup for uninterrupted power to some vintage equipment they might own (which
    often doesn't have the "memory capacitor" technology) for whatever
    reason.

    **I've been working on audio equipment professionally for a very long
    time. Ever since microprocessors were incorporated into products, those products have usually employed some kind of memory capacitor, or battery back-up. That means almost any digitally tuner radio built after
    1978-ish has some kind of back-up. Your amp dates from the 1990s, which
    means the technology was quite mature by the time it was built.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Thu Dec 29 00:32:45 2022
    In article <k147slFp70hU2@mid.individual.net>,
    Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

    On 29/12/2022 7:00 am, super70s wrote:
    In article <k13fviFlsqpU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

    On 28/12/2022 2:08 pm, super70s wrote:
    I have a late '90s vintage Sony receiver that I like pretty well. The
    only problem is when the power goes out and then comes back on the
    receiver automatically turns on in the TUNER mode and isn't tuned into >>> any particular station, just loud static. Also, it isn't smart enough to >>> remember the radio station pre-sets I've entered in, and I have to reset >>> them all over again.

    I was just wondering if anyone has experience with power banks that will >>> automatically keep power to a stereo receiver during a power outage, if >>> there is such a beast? Not looking for something really huge or that
    costs an arm and a leg.

    The specs for the receiver state its power requirements are "120 V AC, >>> 60 kHz" and its power consumption is "186 W" for the USA model, which I >>> guess is pretty common.

    From what I've learned from a little investigation such a power bank >>> needs to have "pass-through" charging to be able to stay charged and
    discharge power at the same time, not all power banks can do this.

    TIA for you help.

    **A quick analysis of the schematic/specs for your Sony will enable us
    to provide a sensible answer to your question. Unfortunately, you
    declined to provide vital information to allow anyone to assist you.

    We need to know the model number of your Sony.

    It is highly likely that the memory capacitor has aged such that it now
    requires replacement. An easy enough job, but impossible without knowing >> which Sony you have.

    Forget about "power bank" silliness (whatever that means) and repair the >> problem. A competent tech should be able to solve the problem quickly
    and painlessly.

    I'm not sure if this particular model (STR-D365) ever had a "memory capacitor" to begin with, there's nothing mentioned in the manual about
    it remembering radio station presets after a power outage.

    **Of course. Replacing the memory capacitor is a job for a professional.
    The PCB on which the capacitor is mounted has VERY fine traces and great
    care must be taken to replace that capacitor.

    FWIW: The capacitor which must be replaced is PCB designation: C201. It
    is a 0.22F/5.5 Volt type.

    Like I said, I don't think the Sony STR-D365 has a memory capacitor or
    whatever it takes to remember station pre-sets when the power is
    interrupted so there's nothing to replace.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 05:50:01 2022
    On 29/12/2022 5:32 pm, super70s wrote:
    In article <k147slFp70hU2@mid.individual.net>,
    Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

    On 29/12/2022 7:00 am, super70s wrote:
    In article <k13fviFlsqpU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

    On 28/12/2022 2:08 pm, super70s wrote:
    I have a late '90s vintage Sony receiver that I like pretty well. The >>>>> only problem is when the power goes out and then comes back on the
    receiver automatically turns on in the TUNER mode and isn't tuned into >>>>> any particular station, just loud static. Also, it isn't smart enough to >>>>> remember the radio station pre-sets I've entered in, and I have to reset >>>>> them all over again.

    I was just wondering if anyone has experience with power banks that will >>>>> automatically keep power to a stereo receiver during a power outage, if >>>>> there is such a beast? Not looking for something really huge or that >>>>> costs an arm and a leg.

    The specs for the receiver state its power requirements are "120 V AC, >>>>> 60 kHz" and its power consumption is "186 W" for the USA model, which I >>>>> guess is pretty common.

    From what I've learned from a little investigation such a power bank >>>>> needs to have "pass-through" charging to be able to stay charged and >>>>> discharge power at the same time, not all power banks can do this.

    TIA for you help.

    **A quick analysis of the schematic/specs for your Sony will enable us >>>> to provide a sensible answer to your question. Unfortunately, you
    declined to provide vital information to allow anyone to assist you.

    We need to know the model number of your Sony.

    It is highly likely that the memory capacitor has aged such that it now >>>> requires replacement. An easy enough job, but impossible without knowing >>>> which Sony you have.

    Forget about "power bank" silliness (whatever that means) and repair the >>>> problem. A competent tech should be able to solve the problem quickly
    and painlessly.

    I'm not sure if this particular model (STR-D365) ever had a "memory
    capacitor" to begin with, there's nothing mentioned in the manual about
    it remembering radio station presets after a power outage.

    **Of course. Replacing the memory capacitor is a job for a professional.
    The PCB on which the capacitor is mounted has VERY fine traces and great
    care must be taken to replace that capacitor.

    FWIW: The capacitor which must be replaced is PCB designation: C201. It
    is a 0.22F/5.5 Volt type.

    Like I said, I don't think the Sony STR-D365 has a memory capacitor or whatever it takes to remember station pre-sets when the power is
    interrupted so there's nothing to replace.

    **Not only have I explained to you that ALL such equipment, like yours,
    does, indeed, employ some kind of system for the volatile memory inside
    the CPU to 'remember' temporary data (like the most recent settings,
    radio stations, etc), but I have provided the circuit designation number
    (C201) and part type (0.22F/5.5V) that is inside the Sony STR-D365. The
    part is faulty. Have it replaced and your problem will be solved.

    I have no idea why you're arguing with me. I actually know what I am
    talking about.

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