• I told you, I told you, I told you

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 11:52:39 2023
    Negotiations seem plausible as Uriarte was deferential to the committee's oversight authority throughout the letter while continuously warning that its Hunter Biden investigation, led by newly appointed special counsel David Weiss, was ongoing and that
    information flow would be limited during that time.


    Fucking cover up.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Aug 30 14:12:15 2023
    On 8/30/23 1:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Negotiations seem plausible as Uriarte was deferential to the
    committee's oversight authority throughout the letter while
    continuously warning that its Hunter Biden investigation, led by
    newly appointed special counsel David Weiss, was ongoing and that
    information flow would be limited during that time.


    Fucking cover up.
    What's wrong with Terminal Lance? Would you prefer the investigation
    be closed so you can read the eventual report?

    Sorry: wrong Uriarte. Weiss dragged the investigation out way longer
    than it warranted. Why would "slow-walking" be a concern now? A
    pro-Biden investigator would have wrapped things up with a fine years
    ago. It's more likely Weiss wanted to stretch until the investigation
    would benefit Trump.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 09:36:26 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 1:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Negotiations seem plausible as Uriarte was deferential to the
    committee's oversight authority throughout the letter while
    continuously warning that its Hunter Biden investigation, led by
    newly appointed special counsel David Weiss, was ongoing and that information flow would be limited during that time.


    Fucking cover up.
    What's wrong with Terminal Lance? Would you prefer the investigation
    be closed so you can read the eventual report?

    Sorry: wrong Uriarte. Weiss dragged the investigation out way longer
    than it warranted. Why would "slow-walking" be a concern now? A
    pro-Biden investigator would have wrapped things up with a fine years
    ago. It's more likely Weiss wanted to stretch until the investigation
    would benefit Trump.

    Your insanity is complete.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Aug 31 15:11:18 2023
    On 8/31/23 11:36 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 1:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Negotiations seem plausible as Uriarte was deferential to the
    committee's oversight authority throughout the letter while
    continuously warning that its Hunter Biden investigation, led by
    newly appointed special counsel David Weiss, was ongoing and that
    information flow would be limited during that time.


    Fucking cover up.
    What's wrong with Terminal Lance? Would you prefer the investigation
    be closed so you can read the eventual report?

    Sorry: wrong Uriarte. Weiss dragged the investigation out way longer
    than it warranted. Why would "slow-walking" be a concern now? A
    pro-Biden investigator would have wrapped things up with a fine years
    ago. It's more likely Weiss wanted to stretch until the investigation
    would benefit Trump.

    Your insanity is complete.

    It's much less a stretch than your implication Weiss is somehow trying
    to work for Biden's benefit.

    And you were quick to pat yourself on the back for "predicting" a
    prosecutor wouldn't comment on an ongoing investigation when that's
    the general standard.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 15:11:00 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:11:21 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 11:36 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 1:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Negotiations seem plausible as Uriarte was deferential to the
    committee's oversight authority throughout the letter while
    continuously warning that its Hunter Biden investigation, led by
    newly appointed special counsel David Weiss, was ongoing and that
    information flow would be limited during that time.


    Fucking cover up.
    What's wrong with Terminal Lance? Would you prefer the investigation
    be closed so you can read the eventual report?

    Sorry: wrong Uriarte. Weiss dragged the investigation out way longer
    than it warranted. Why would "slow-walking" be a concern now? A
    pro-Biden investigator would have wrapped things up with a fine years
    ago. It's more likely Weiss wanted to stretch until the investigation
    would benefit Trump.

    Your insanity is complete.
    It's much less a stretch than your implication Weiss is somehow trying
    to work for Biden's benefit.

    And you were quick to pat yourself on the back for "predicting" a
    prosecutor wouldn't comment on an ongoing investigation when that's
    the general standard.

    Somehow?
    Try sweetheart deal, and the earlier attempt to completely drop the charges.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Aug 31 19:32:46 2023
    On 8/31/23 5:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:11:21 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 11:36 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 1:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Negotiations seem plausible as Uriarte was deferential to the
    committee's oversight authority throughout the letter while
    continuously warning that its Hunter Biden investigation, led by
    newly appointed special counsel David Weiss, was ongoing and that
    information flow would be limited during that time.


    Fucking cover up.
    What's wrong with Terminal Lance? Would you prefer the investigation
    be closed so you can read the eventual report?

    Sorry: wrong Uriarte. Weiss dragged the investigation out way longer
    than it warranted. Why would "slow-walking" be a concern now? A
    pro-Biden investigator would have wrapped things up with a fine years
    ago. It's more likely Weiss wanted to stretch until the investigation
    would benefit Trump.

    Your insanity is complete.
    It's much less a stretch than your implication Weiss is somehow trying
    to work for Biden's benefit.

    And you were quick to pat yourself on the back for "predicting" a
    prosecutor wouldn't comment on an ongoing investigation when that's
    the general standard.

    Somehow?
    Try sweetheart deal, and the earlier attempt to completely drop the charges.

    Weiss hasn't dropped the prosecution and the deal was a trap to catch
    him on other charges.

    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 16:59:21 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:32:49 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:11:21 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 11:36 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>> On 8/30/23 1:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Negotiations seem plausible as Uriarte was deferential to the
    committee's oversight authority throughout the letter while
    continuously warning that its Hunter Biden investigation, led by
    newly appointed special counsel David Weiss, was ongoing and that >>>>> information flow would be limited during that time.


    Fucking cover up.
    What's wrong with Terminal Lance? Would you prefer the investigation >>>> be closed so you can read the eventual report?

    Sorry: wrong Uriarte. Weiss dragged the investigation out way longer >>>> than it warranted. Why would "slow-walking" be a concern now? A
    pro-Biden investigator would have wrapped things up with a fine years >>>> ago. It's more likely Weiss wanted to stretch until the investigation >>>> would benefit Trump.

    Your insanity is complete.
    It's much less a stretch than your implication Weiss is somehow trying
    to work for Biden's benefit.

    And you were quick to pat yourself on the back for "predicting" a
    prosecutor wouldn't comment on an ongoing investigation when that's
    the general standard.

    Somehow?
    Try sweetheart deal, and the earlier attempt to completely drop the charges.
    Weiss hasn't dropped the prosecution and the deal was a trap to catch
    him on other charges.

    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

    Love to...but your lame link doesn't even mention Stone beyond the headline. But let's look at some details beyond your High School newspaper link. First....Stone is only facing a civil suit as the IRS also didn't move soon enough and let SoL lapse.
    I don't recall him getting a deferment deal for lying to the Mueller team like Hunter got for gun application fraud.

    Hunter's recent deal has nothing in it on his lapsed tax issues....unless the report that Hunter told an associate is in reference to
    his SoL tax issues...but I never heard of a civil suit filed against him....so that comparison quickly falls apart as well.

    Meanwhile, the Biden WH has established a "war room" staffed by dozens of lawyers and WH aides to combat the impending House impeachment inquiry
    which right now centers largely on the release of thousands of VP Biden e-mails under 3 pseudonyms which is according to Joe just trivial non-WH and
    definitely not Hunter business related. Which leads to the question....why not just release them rather than go to "war" over them?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Sep 2 10:09:54 2023
    On 9/1/23 6:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:32:49 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

    Love to...but your lame link doesn't even mention Stone beyond the
    headline.

    True, but you show you're familiar.

    But let's look at some details beyond your High School newspaper
    link. First....Stone is only facing a civil suit as the IRS also
    didn't move soon enough and let SoL lapse. I don't recall him getting
    a deferment deal for lying to the Mueller team like Hunter got for
    gun application fraud.

    Civil suit vs criminal means Stone's treatment is more lenient. Also
    more lenient is that Stone didn't get a rarely used charge added on.

    Please remind us when you complained about Stone's statute of limitation expiring. However, the suit isn't about the SoL lapsed tax situation but
    his reneging on his repayment deal.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126.1.0.pdf

    "Although the Stones’ tax liabilities for the years 2007–2009 were
    assessed over 10 years ago, the limitations period to commence this suit
    was tolled by their submission of an offer in compromise to the IRS and requests to the IRS to enter into an installment agreement to pay those
    taxes."

    Hunter's recent deal has nothing in it on his lapsed tax
    issues....unless the report that Hunter told an associate is in
    reference to his SoL tax issues...but I never heard of a civil suit
    filed against him....so that comparison quickly falls apart as well.

    How does an agreement to plead to misdemeanor tax charges not have
    anything to do with his "lapsed tax issues"?

    Stone's civil treatment vs Hunter's criminal treatment is the point.

    Just so there's no wriggling on what you think the "deal" is:

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-dee7-a7ab-fd7d1d600000

    Meanwhile, the Biden WH has established a "war room" staffed by
    dozens of lawyers and WH aides to combat the impending House
    impeachment inquiry which right now centers largely on the release of thousands of VP Biden e-mails under 3 pseudonyms which is according
    to Joe just trivial non-WH and definitely not Hunter business
    related. Which leads to the question....why not just release them
    rather than go to "war" over them?

    Changing the subject, yes? Of course, you would prefer the President not prepare to deal with a possible impeachment in the future.

    Multiple email accounts is not an impeachable offense and the NARA isn't
    "going to war" but enforcing its rules for what can be released.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 09:46:45 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/1/23 6:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:32:49 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

    Love to...but your lame link doesn't even mention Stone beyond the headline.
    True, but you show you're familiar.
    But let's look at some details beyond your High School newspaper
    link. First....Stone is only facing a civil suit as the IRS also
    didn't move soon enough and let SoL lapse. I don't recall him getting
    a deferment deal for lying to the Mueller team like Hunter got for
    gun application fraud.
    Civil suit vs criminal means Stone's treatment is more lenient.

    LoL....Hunter got nothing punitive for his SoL lapsed years of tax payments.


    Also
    more lenient is that Stone didn't get a rarely used charge added on.

    Rarely used? That's a joke.
    Stone wasn't charged because he didn't commit the crime.


    Please remind us when you complained about Stone's statute of limitation expiring.

    I didn't know til now.

    However, the suit isn't about the SoL lapsed tax situation but
    his reneging on his repayment deal.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126.1.0.pdf

    "Although the Stones’ tax liabilities for the years 2007–2009 were assessed over 10 years ago, the limitations period to commence this suit
    was tolled by their submission of an offer in compromise to the IRS and requests to the IRS to enter into an installment agreement to pay those taxes."

    Maybe Stone wouldn't be broke if the DoJ hadn't gone after him for process crimes.

    Hunter's recent deal has nothing in it on his lapsed tax
    issues....unless the report that Hunter told an associate is in
    reference to his SoL tax issues...but I never heard of a civil suit
    filed against him....so that comparison quickly falls apart as well.
    How does an agreement to plead to misdemeanor tax charges not have
    anything to do with his "lapsed tax issues"?

    Duh...different tax years. Do you lump all your tax returns into one giant pile
    of illegal bile?

    Stone's civil treatment vs Hunter's criminal treatment is the point.

    The only reason for the difference is Stone is broke.
    Hunter can sell his art.


    Just so there's no wriggling on what you think the "deal" is:

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-dee7-a7ab-fd7d1d600000
    Meanwhile, the Biden WH has established a "war room" staffed by
    dozens of lawyers and WH aides to combat the impending House
    impeachment inquiry which right now centers largely on the release of thousands of VP Biden e-mails under 3 pseudonyms which is according
    to Joe just trivial non-WH and definitely not Hunter business
    related. Which leads to the question....why not just release them
    rather than go to "war" over them?
    Changing the subject, yes?

    No, returning to subject.

    Of course, you would prefer the President not
    prepare to deal with a possible impeachment in the future.

    Multiple email accounts is not an impeachable offense and the NARA isn't "going to war" but enforcing its rules for what can be released.

    To congress for oversight? NARA rules override congressional oversight authority?
    GMAFB. This has all been adjudicated before and most recently by Dems going after Trumps
    records and congress won. All they can do is delay and that's what they want to do.
    What's next? We can't release so close to an election cuz that shit will surely impact an election
    and we can't be meddling by giving voters the facts.

    You're so f'd up it's pathetic.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Sep 2 14:28:31 2023
    On 9/2/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/1/23 6:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:32:49 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

    Love to...but your lame link doesn't even mention Stone beyond the
    headline.
    True, but you show you're familiar.
    But let's look at some details beyond your High School newspaper
    link. First....Stone is only facing a civil suit as the IRS also
    didn't move soon enough and let SoL lapse. I don't recall him getting
    a deferment deal for lying to the Mueller team like Hunter got for
    gun application fraud.
    Civil suit vs criminal means Stone's treatment is more lenient.

    LoL....Hunter got nothing punitive for his SoL lapsed years of tax payments.

    Except years of investigation. You're mixing up his taxes with his work
    which could have been charged as a foreign agent.

    Also more lenient is that Stone didn't get a rarely used charge added on.

    Rarely used? That's a joke.

    Yes, especially without connection to violent crime.

    Stone wasn't charged because he didn't commit the crime.

    Neither did Hunter. Most people make a deal and pay.

    https://www.ksat.com/money/2021/03/08/that-time-when-willie-nelson-made-an-album-just-to-pay-his-irs-debt/

    Please remind us when you complained about Stone's statute of limitation
    expiring.

    I didn't know til now.

    The Trump DoJ really dropped the ball there, right?

    However, the suit isn't about the SoL lapsed tax situation but
    his reneging on his repayment deal.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126.1.0.pdf

    "Although the Stones’ tax liabilities for the years 2007–2009 were
    assessed over 10 years ago, the limitations period to commence this suit
    was tolled by their submission of an offer in compromise to the IRS and
    requests to the IRS to enter into an installment agreement to pay those
    taxes."

    Maybe Stone wouldn't be broke if the DoJ hadn't gone after him for process crimes.

    That "process" being "paying your taxes."

    Hunter's recent deal has nothing in it on his lapsed tax
    issues....unless the report that Hunter told an associate is in
    reference to his SoL tax issues...but I never heard of a civil suit
    filed against him....so that comparison quickly falls apart as well.
    How does an agreement to plead to misdemeanor tax charges not have
    anything to do with his "lapsed tax issues"?

    Duh...different tax years. Do you lump all your tax returns into one giant pile
    of illegal bile?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/21/federal-prosecutors-considered-possible-charges-against-hunter-biden.html

    The "two misdemeanor counts for failure to file taxes" *are* his "lapsed
    tax issues."

    Threats of criminal charges is not the same as "Hunter got nothing
    punitive."

    Stone's civil treatment vs Hunter's criminal treatment is the point.

    The only reason for the difference is Stone is broke.
    Hunter can sell his art.

    You don't get criminal charges if you're broke?

    Just so there's no wriggling on what you think the "deal" is:

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-dee7-a7ab-fd7d1d600000
    Meanwhile, the Biden WH has established a "war room" staffed by
    dozens of lawyers and WH aides to combat the impending House
    impeachment inquiry which right now centers largely on the release of
    thousands of VP Biden e-mails under 3 pseudonyms which is according
    to Joe just trivial non-WH and definitely not Hunter business
    related. Which leads to the question....why not just release them
    rather than go to "war" over them?
    Changing the subject, yes?

    No, returning to subject.

    No, the subject is the House committee trying to get blood from a stone
    by asking for info on an ongoing investigation.

    Of course, you would prefer the President not
    prepare to deal with a possible impeachment in the future.

    Multiple email accounts is not an impeachable offense and the NARA isn't
    "going to war" but enforcing its rules for what can be released.

    To congress for oversight? NARA rules override congressional oversight authority?

    https://www.justice.gov/olc/file/1356251/download

    "The PRA restricts access to presidential records after they are
    accessioned to NARA at the end of a President’s tenure in office. The
    PRA includes various exceptions to its restrictions on access, one of
    which provides that subject to any rights, defenses, or privileges which
    the United States or any agency or person may invoke, Presidential
    records shall be made available . . . to either House of Congress, or,
    to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, to any committee or subcommittee thereof if such records contain information that is needed
    for the conduct of its business and that is not otherwise available."

    Yes, the "fishing expedition" exception.

    GMAFB. This has all been adjudicated before and most recently by Dems going after Trumps
    records and congress won. All they can do is delay and that's what they want to do.
    What's next? We can't release so close to an election cuz that shit will surely impact an election
    and we can't be meddling by giving voters the facts.

    You got one more October surprise than you should have.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 16:43:40 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:28:34 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/1/23 6:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:32:49 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

    Love to...but your lame link doesn't even mention Stone beyond the
    headline.
    True, but you show you're familiar.
    But let's look at some details beyond your High School newspaper
    link. First....Stone is only facing a civil suit as the IRS also
    didn't move soon enough and let SoL lapse. I don't recall him getting >>> a deferment deal for lying to the Mueller team like Hunter got for
    gun application fraud.
    Civil suit vs criminal means Stone's treatment is more lenient.

    LoL....Hunter got nothing punitive for his SoL lapsed years of tax payments.
    Except years of investigation.

    Oh the horror. The endless investigation that provides more cover than a Klingon cloaking device.


    You're mixing up his taxes with his work
    which could have been charged as a foreign agent.

    But it wasn't and still hasn't been charged. That alone should tell you a lot you
    blind partisan fool.

    Also more lenient is that Stone didn't get a rarely used charge added on.

    Rarely used? That's a joke.
    Yes, especially without connection to violent crime.

    Prostitution....sex traffiking....drug use and transport were all options left uncharged.


    Stone wasn't charged because he didn't commit the crime.
    Neither did Hunter. Most people make a deal and pay.

    Now you're on crack. Show me Stone's fraudulent gun application.


    https://www.ksat.com/money/2021/03/08/that-time-when-willie-nelson-made-an-album-just-to-pay-his-irs-debt/

    It's SPP time. I'm not wasting mine on your random link BS.

    Please remind us when you complained about Stone's statute of limitation >> expiring.

    I didn't know til now.
    The Trump DoJ really dropped the ball there, right?

    I think it's the IRS responsible. Funny how they suddenly get after it when Stone gets
    linked to Trump.
    A lot of people who were apparently going uninvestigated are suddenly investigated.
    What's up with that?

    However, the suit isn't about the SoL lapsed tax situation but
    his reneging on his repayment deal.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126.1.0.pdf

    "Although the Stones’ tax liabilities for the years 2007–2009 were
    assessed over 10 years ago, the limitations period to commence this suit >> was tolled by their submission of an offer in compromise to the IRS and >> requests to the IRS to enter into an installment agreement to pay those >> taxes."

    Maybe Stone wouldn't be broke if the DoJ hadn't gone after him for process crimes.
    That "process" being "paying your taxes."

    His legal costs for defending his lied to FBI charges dumbass. It's the dem DoJ's favorite
    new tactic. Why prosecute when you can bankrupt someone far more easily?

    Hunter's recent deal has nothing in it on his lapsed tax
    issues....unless the report that Hunter told an associate is in
    reference to his SoL tax issues...but I never heard of a civil suit
    filed against him....so that comparison quickly falls apart as well.
    How does an agreement to plead to misdemeanor tax charges not have
    anything to do with his "lapsed tax issues"?

    Duh...different tax years. Do you lump all your tax returns into one giant pile
    of illegal bile?
    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/21/federal-prosecutors-considered-possible-charges-against-hunter-biden.html

    The "two misdemeanor counts for failure to file taxes" *are* his "lapsed
    tax issues."

    BS None of your links nor links within your links specify the tax years in question.
    But with the scrutiny of the BS plea deal it was widely reported that the DoJ and IRS
    let lapse any possible criminal charges for failing to file back around 2014 as SoL had expired.


    Threats of criminal charges is not the same as "Hunter got nothing punitive."

    Talk about slaps on the wrist..... we threatened him with charges and found that punitive enough. LoL. Can't wait to hear that Weiss news conference.

    Stone's civil treatment vs Hunter's criminal treatment is the point.

    The only reason for the difference is Stone is broke.
    Hunter can sell his art.
    You don't get criminal charges if you're broke?

    Stone can't be criminally charged for his non-payment of taxes you moron
    as the SoL has expired. But he can still held civilly liable.
    Keeping your shit straight for you is tedious.


    Just so there's no wriggling on what you think the "deal" is:

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-dee7-a7ab-fd7d1d600000
    Meanwhile, the Biden WH has established a "war room" staffed by
    dozens of lawyers and WH aides to combat the impending House
    impeachment inquiry which right now centers largely on the release of >>> thousands of VP Biden e-mails under 3 pseudonyms which is according
    to Joe just trivial non-WH and definitely not Hunter business
    related. Which leads to the question....why not just release them
    rather than go to "war" over them?
    Changing the subject, yes?

    No, returning to subject.
    No, the subject is the House committee trying to get blood from a stone
    by asking for info on an ongoing investigation.

    That stone is dripping blood and it will eventually be found to be Joe's blood.

    Of course, you would prefer the President not
    prepare to deal with a possible impeachment in the future.

    Multiple email accounts is not an impeachable offense and the NARA isn't >> "going to war" but enforcing its rules for what can be released.

    To congress for oversight? NARA rules override congressional oversight authority?
    https://www.justice.gov/olc/file/1356251/download

    "The PRA restricts access to presidential records after they are
    accessioned to NARA at the end of a President’s tenure in office. The
    PRA includes various exceptions to its restrictions on access, one of
    which provides that subject to any rights, defenses, or privileges which
    the United States or any agency or person may invoke, Presidential
    records shall be made available . . . to either House of Congress, or,
    to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, to any committee or subcommittee thereof if such records contain information that is needed
    for the conduct of its business and that is not otherwise available."

    Yes, the "fishing expedition" exception.
    GMAFB. This has all been adjudicated before and most recently by Dems going after Trumps
    records and congress won. All they can do is delay and that's what they want to do.
    What's next? We can't release so close to an election cuz that shit will surely impact an election
    and we can't be meddling by giving voters the facts.
    You got one more October surprise than you should have.

    I want the truth...even if you can't handle it.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Sep 2 21:11:02 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:


    I want the truth...even if you can't handle it.

    ScottW

    Steve's problem is much more that he can't recognize the truth.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Sep 3 12:49:36 2023
    On 9/2/23 6:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:28:34 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/1/23 6:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:32:49 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

    Love to...but your lame link doesn't even mention Stone beyond the
    headline.
    True, but you show you're familiar.
    But let's look at some details beyond your High School newspaper
    link. First....Stone is only facing a civil suit as the IRS also
    didn't move soon enough and let SoL lapse. I don't recall him getting >>>>> a deferment deal for lying to the Mueller team like Hunter got for
    gun application fraud.
    Civil suit vs criminal means Stone's treatment is more lenient.

    LoL....Hunter got nothing punitive for his SoL lapsed years of tax payments.
    Except years of investigation.

    Oh the horror. The endless investigation that provides more cover than a Klingon cloaking device.

    Yes, undergoing years of investigation is generally considered a bad
    thing to be avoided.

    You're mixing up his taxes with his work
    which could have been charged as a foreign agent.

    But it wasn't and still hasn't been charged. That alone should tell you a lot you
    blind partisan fool.

    Weiss shows all the signs of being your guy. A real sweetheart deal
    would have been pay it back and forget it like most people get.

    Also more lenient is that Stone didn't get a rarely used charge added on. >>>
    Rarely used? That's a joke.
    Yes, especially without connection to violent crime.

    Prostitution....sex traffiking....drug use and transport were all options left uncharged.

    Hunter wasn't a prostitute, but I see you share the IRS "whistleblower" obsession.

    Stone wasn't charged because he didn't commit the crime.
    Neither did Hunter. Most people make a deal and pay.

    Now you're on crack. Show me Stone's fraudulent gun application.

    Show me they looked for one.

    https://www.ksat.com/money/2021/03/08/that-time-when-willie-nelson-made-an-album-just-to-pay-his-irs-debt/

    It's SPP time. I'm not wasting mine on your random link BS.

    It's all in the URL. Willie owed, Willie paid, no charges.

    Please remind us when you complained about Stone's statute of limitation >>>> expiring.

    I didn't know til now.
    The Trump DoJ really dropped the ball there, right?

    I think it's the IRS responsible. Funny how they suddenly get after it when Stone gets
    linked to Trump.

    They made a deal and had to do something when Stone reneged on it.

    A lot of people who were apparently going uninvestigated are suddenly investigated.
    What's up with that?

    Trump pressure.

    However, the suit isn't about the SoL lapsed tax situation but
    his reneging on his repayment deal.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126/gov.uscourts.flsd.591126.1.0.pdf

    "Although the Stones’ tax liabilities for the years 2007–2009 were >>>> assessed over 10 years ago, the limitations period to commence this suit >>>> was tolled by their submission of an offer in compromise to the IRS and >>>> requests to the IRS to enter into an installment agreement to pay those >>>> taxes."

    Maybe Stone wouldn't be broke if the DoJ hadn't gone after him for process crimes.
    That "process" being "paying your taxes."

    His legal costs for defending his lied to FBI charges dumbass. It's the dem DoJ's favorite
    new tactic. Why prosecute when you can bankrupt someone far more easily?

    So that Hunter investigation is also a bad thing? Stone would be
    imprisoned if not for Trump's pardon.

    Hunter's recent deal has nothing in it on his lapsed tax
    issues....unless the report that Hunter told an associate is in
    reference to his SoL tax issues...but I never heard of a civil suit
    filed against him....so that comparison quickly falls apart as well.
    How does an agreement to plead to misdemeanor tax charges not have
    anything to do with his "lapsed tax issues"?

    Duh...different tax years. Do you lump all your tax returns into one giant pile
    of illegal bile?
    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/21/federal-prosecutors-considered-possible-charges-against-hunter-biden.html

    The "two misdemeanor counts for failure to file taxes" *are* his "lapsed
    tax issues."

    BS None of your links nor links within your links specify the tax years in question.
    But with the scrutiny of the BS plea deal it was widely reported that the DoJ and IRS
    let lapse any possible criminal charges for failing to file back around 2014 as
    SoL had expired.

    That's why I provided a link to the deal, so you couldn't wriggle out by closing your eyes. If you had looked, you'd have seen the tax years
    2017, 2018 and 2019 are specified in Exhibit 1.

    As for "lapse," most such cases are paid back and those 2014 taxes would
    be subject to negotiation no matter the criminal statute of limitations.

    Threats of criminal charges is not the same as "Hunter got nothing
    punitive."

    Talk about slaps on the wrist..... we threatened him with charges and found that punitive enough. LoL. Can't wait to hear that Weiss news conference.

    You were just complaining about Stone being investigated. You're all
    over the place on whether it's bad to be under threat of government action.

    Stone's civil treatment vs Hunter's criminal treatment is the point.

    The only reason for the difference is Stone is broke.
    Hunter can sell his art.
    You don't get criminal charges if you're broke?

    Stone can't be criminally charged for his non-payment of taxes you moron
    as the SoL has expired. But he can still held civilly liable.
    Keeping your shit straight for you is tedious.

    He's not being charged or held liable for the original non-payment of
    taxes. He's being sued for breaking his repayment agreement.

    Just so there's no wriggling on what you think the "deal" is:

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-dee7-a7ab-fd7d1d600000
    Meanwhile, the Biden WH has established a "war room" staffed by
    dozens of lawyers and WH aides to combat the impending House
    impeachment inquiry which right now centers largely on the release of >>>>> thousands of VP Biden e-mails under 3 pseudonyms which is according
    to Joe just trivial non-WH and definitely not Hunter business
    related. Which leads to the question....why not just release them
    rather than go to "war" over them?
    Changing the subject, yes?

    No, returning to subject.
    No, the subject is the House committee trying to get blood from a stone
    by asking for info on an ongoing investigation.

    That stone is dripping blood and it will eventually be found to be Joe's blood.

    Argument by free association.

    Of course, you would prefer the President not
    prepare to deal with a possible impeachment in the future.

    Multiple email accounts is not an impeachable offense and the NARA isn't >>>> "going to war" but enforcing its rules for what can be released.

    To congress for oversight? NARA rules override congressional oversight authority?
    https://www.justice.gov/olc/file/1356251/download

    "The PRA restricts access to presidential records after they are
    accessioned to NARA at the end of a President’s tenure in office. The
    PRA includes various exceptions to its restrictions on access, one of
    which provides that subject to any rights, defenses, or privileges which
    the United States or any agency or person may invoke, Presidential
    records shall be made available . . . to either House of Congress, or,
    to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, to any committee or
    subcommittee thereof if such records contain information that is needed
    for the conduct of its business and that is not otherwise available."

    Yes, the "fishing expedition" exception.
    GMAFB. This has all been adjudicated before and most recently by Dems going after Trumps
    records and congress won. All they can do is delay and that's what they want to do.
    What's next? We can't release so close to an election cuz that shit will surely impact an election
    and we can't be meddling by giving voters the facts.
    You got one more October surprise than you should have.

    I want the truth...

    If that were true, you wouldn't spread so much propaganda.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 15:03:58 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 6:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:28:34 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>> On 9/1/23 6:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:32:49 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>
    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

    Love to...but your lame link doesn't even mention Stone beyond the >>>>> headline.
    True, but you show you're familiar.
    But let's look at some details beyond your High School newspaper
    link. First....Stone is only facing a civil suit as the IRS also
    didn't move soon enough and let SoL lapse. I don't recall him getting >>>>> a deferment deal for lying to the Mueller team like Hunter got for >>>>> gun application fraud.
    Civil suit vs criminal means Stone's treatment is more lenient.

    LoL....Hunter got nothing punitive for his SoL lapsed years of tax payments.
    Except years of investigation.

    Oh the horror. The endless investigation that provides more cover than a Klingon cloaking device.
    Yes, undergoing years of investigation is generally considered a bad
    thing to be avoided.

    Yeah...the only thing worse would be to actually be indicted, convicted, and forced to
    serve a sentence.
    I wonder how long it would take 'em to convict you for overinflating the value of your piano
    to increase your business assets depreciation deductions? About a week if anyone cared.
    Maybe Joe's 80,000 armed IRS agents will finally bust your cheating ass.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 15:15:25 2023
    Someone should disconnect duh-Scottie's IV from Fucks Nooz.

    Maybe Joe's 80,000 armed IRS agents will finally bust your cheating ass.

    How far down the gopher hole did you have to burrow?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Sep 3 19:49:42 2023
    On 9/3/23 5:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 6:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:28:34 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 9/1/23 6:59 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:32:49 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>
    Compare Hunter's deal to that given Roger Stone.

    https://www.sfltimes.com/news/politics/hunter-bidens-so-called-sweetheart-tax-deal-looks-tougher-than-the-deal-roger-stone-got-for-dodging-taxes

    Love to...but your lame link doesn't even mention Stone beyond the >>>>>>> headline.
    True, but you show you're familiar.
    But let's look at some details beyond your High School newspaper >>>>>>> link. First....Stone is only facing a civil suit as the IRS also >>>>>>> didn't move soon enough and let SoL lapse. I don't recall him getting >>>>>>> a deferment deal for lying to the Mueller team like Hunter got for >>>>>>> gun application fraud.
    Civil suit vs criminal means Stone's treatment is more lenient.

    LoL....Hunter got nothing punitive for his SoL lapsed years of tax payments.
    Except years of investigation.

    Oh the horror. The endless investigation that provides more cover than a Klingon cloaking device.
    Yes, undergoing years of investigation is generally considered a bad
    thing to be avoided.

    Yeah...the only thing worse would be to actually be indicted, convicted, and forced to
    serve a sentence.

    Stone got two out of three but not on tax charges.

    <snip, in order to exercise my rule of ignoring Scott mentioning
    anyone's *ss>

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Sep 6 09:37:37 2023
    On 9/3/23 5:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Yeah...the only thing worse would be to actually be indicted, convicted, and forced to
    serve a sentence.

    I agree that one shouldn't compare Stone's crimes with Hunter Biden's
    tax problems, but comparing how the two's taxes were handled is valid.

    Speaking of Stone's criminal record, are these the "process crimes" to
    which you referred? I don't watch Fox so I don't know what a process
    crime is as opposed to, you know, a crime.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/roger-stone-found-guilty-obstruction-false-statements-and-witness-tampering

    Stone was found guilty of obstruction of a congressional investigation,
    five counts of making false statements to Congress, and tampering with a witness...

    On September 26, 2017, in testimony to the Committee, Stone made a
    number of false statements relating to the identity of a person he had
    referred to in August 2016 as his “back-channel” or “intermediary” to the head of WikiLeaks; whether he had asked that person to do anything
    on his behalf; whether he had written communications with that person;
    whether he discussed that person with anyone involved with the Trump
    campaign; and whether he had written communications with third parties
    about the head of WikiLeaks. On October 13, 2017, Stone sent the House Intelligence Committee a letter falsely stating that the person he had referenced in August 2016 was an individual named Randy Credico. Stone
    then engaged in witness tampering by urging Credico either to
    corroborate this false account, or to tell the Committee that he could
    not remember the relevant events, or to invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the Committee.
    Credico ultimately invoked his Fifth Amendment right in response to a
    Committee subpoena.

    End quote.

    What process is involved in tampering with a witness by making threats?
    In making false statements, aka 'lying'? Or do you mean some other
    crimes for which Stone has been convicted?

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